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misterearl
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2/15/2011  6:28 AM
Carmelo Anthony available, but Knicks balk at request for Gallinari, Felton, starter, Curry, pick
BY FRANK ISOLA
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Not only does a deal like this destroy any sense of loyalty, it establishes New York as an impatient culture. There is something to be learned from the franchise front office continuity of the Packers, Steelers, Lakers and Celtics as it relates to managing people.

Assets are not always coveted. Especiallly in the examples of Steelers and Packers, assets are cultivated and allowed to mature.

You don't trade away three starters

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2/15/2011  6:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  6:34 AM
If Dolan didn't get involved, I wouldn't be worried about something like this happening.

When you're trading a superstar you don't get equal value back. The Nuggets are insisting on getting equal value back and that's unrealistic. If you come to a situation where you're considering trading your superstar, you have to be ready to take an L on that.

Crazy.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/15/2011  6:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  6:42 AM
We need to trade for Melo. Please make it happen DW. If Amare gets injured, the Knicks season is over. Melo also gives us that second super skilled offensive player we need to compete. This is where DWs negotiating skills come in.

In this case its not about impatience, its about getting Melo for the right price. This is the kind of move that separates the great GM from a average/bad GM. This trade will define the Donnie Walsh era in NYC. Make it happen DW, bring Melo to NYC! Finish what you started.

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2/15/2011  6:56 AM
The Price Is Wrong

Silverfuel - what is the "right" price? The issue is not whether Carmelo would look cute in orange and blue. You never mentioned what that right price was

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2/15/2011  7:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  7:07 AM
misterearl wrote:Silverfuel - what is the "right" price? The issue is not whether Carmelo would look cute in orange and blue. You never mentioned what that right price was

misterearl: I'm not involved in the trade talks so I don't know. I don't have my ear to the ground when it comes to NBA trades. In fact none of us do. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes unless we work in the field. So I don't know and I don't need to know what the right price for Melo is. That is DWs job and I trust him to do a good job. He came in and did a good job over the 2.5 of the 3 year plan. But I am hoping he does more than just a good job. I'm hoping he does a great job. I am hoping the 3 year plan is a huge success.

I know you are trying to trivialize what I said with the "carmelo would look cute in orange and blue" comment but here is the bottom line. We need a second superstar because Amare + role players will not bring a championship to NY.

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2/15/2011  7:18 AM
The situation dictates the price. I am not an nba insider so I don't know the situation. Since I don't know the situation, I don't know the price. Donnie needs to know the price and bring melo to nyc. Without that we are a .500 team.
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2/15/2011  7:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  7:32 AM
I've been in the get Melo camp but this proposed deal I think caught many fans off guard because of the Felton inclusion. I think this deal is a startng point for the execs when they meet face to face during allstar weekend. If Walsh could pull Fields (third starter?) off the table, then I pull the trigger. Gallo, Curry, Felton, 1st pick for Melo and Billups is a deal I jump all over. Would hate to lose Felton but, he's a two-year rental anyway, not to mention Billups, though older, is a former finals MVP.
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2/15/2011  7:35 AM
i still find anything isola reports about the knicks to be true since he has no relationship with ANYONE in upper management since he's burned his bridges.
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2/15/2011  7:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  8:25 AM
Silverfuel - how can you throw out words like the "right price" when you have no thoughts on what that means? If you don't know what the right price is then you simply put your hand on the Knicks Bible and repeat after me, "In Donnie We trust". You express an opinion, and that's cool, but it appears you are reluctant to take a stand on defining that opinion in real terms. Carmelo is NOT an essential ingredient to building a championship team at any cost. Especially a cost that sacrifices the best story of the year, Landry Fields.

You cannot simply say, "go get Carmelo" and leave it at that.

Which brings us back full circle to the original post. If Donnie brings Carmelo at the expense of gutting the team of three starters, a draft pick and Eddy's salary, the Knicks are a BELOW 500 team for two more years. Why? First, because Amare IS fragile. Second. The Knicks desperately need another center. This is a fact. Third. Carmelo is not carrying a team by himself.

You heard it here first.

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2/15/2011  7:51 AM
I think the two starters (out of Chandler/Gallo/Fields) for Melo is the expected asking price from Denver's perspective. We just have to make the decision on whether or not Billups can effectively replace Felton. We have to remember that Billups is one of the best PGs in the past ten years, however i think Walsh and MDA are concerned with his age and half court game, therefore they don't want to make that trade. I think the compromise on the Knicks end has to be either 2 of the 3 (Chandler/Gallo/Fields) as long as 1 of them is Chandler, for Melo, or only one of the 3 plus Felton for Melo and Billups. Obviously AR, Curry, and spare parts are also involved.
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2/15/2011  7:57 AM
Championships

The emotional erosion of endless speculation hurts this franchise every season headed into the trade deadline. Every February the performance slides as players play tight and anxious. Of course, it goes with the territory of playing in a major media market, but to a certain extent the franchise can manage player anxiety but demonstrating a certain sense of loyalty and continuity. The New York Knicks are defined by the constant change as much as they are defined by the pinwheel roof at The Garden. Donnie knows this and it could be one reason he has been patient.

Sure, plugging in the missing piece is always entertaining morning banter but - at some point you gotta take a stand and say, "these are my guys".

If Carmelo did not move to NYC it would not be a surprise.

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2/15/2011  8:00 AM
Whats wrong with being a .500 team?

We start two rookies and are one of the youngest teams?

Last year we did not win 30 games. We likely will by march 1st.

INcremental growth is an accomplishment.

Every young team or young players have the same problem: consistency!

Bring Melo if you must but not for the star power but for the basketball!
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2/15/2011  8:16 AM
Earl is right... the price is wrong. Felton, Fields, Gallo, 2 #1s... its too much. Take Gallo out and I will start thinking about it.
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2/15/2011  8:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  8:19 AM
Nalod wrote:Whats wrong with being a .500 team?

We start two rookies and are one of the youngest teams?

Last year we did not win 30 games. We likely will by march 1st.

INcremental growth is an accomplishment.

Every young team or young players have the same problem: consistency!

Bring Melo if you must but not for the star power but for the basketball!

Exactly

Just for kicks and giggles, add the 6'11 240 pound Lithuanian Jonas Valanciunas to our talented, and improving, yoots...

Strengths: Long, agile, big man with a lot of promise ... The next big prospect out of Lithuania (after Motiejunas) .. Extremely fluid running the floor for a player his size ... His long wingspan and huge hands make him an imposing force inside ... Has good dexterity to catch the ball and make plays around the basket ... A good athlete who gets off the floor well and attacks the rim ... Born in 1992, considering his age, he appears to be a guy that is not done growing and could top out at well over 7-feet ...

Wide shoulders will allow him to put on a good deal of strength and weight without hindering his agility ... Shows a soft touch on his shot with excellent shooting mechanics and overall fundamentals ... Can face the basket and knock down shots out to 12 feet ... Good basketball IQ ... Strong motor. Plays with a strong competitive drive ... Hard working kid who should continue to improve ... Shows solid vision and court sense, getting rid of the ball and finding teammates when doubled ...

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2/15/2011  8:31 AM
misterearl wrote:
Nalod wrote:Whats wrong with being a .500 team?

We start two rookies and are one of the youngest teams?

Last year we did not win 30 games. We likely will by march 1st.

INcremental growth is an accomplishment.

Every young team or young players have the same problem: consistency!

Bring Melo if you must but not for the star power but for the basketball!

Exactly

Just for kicks and giggles, add the 6'11 240 pound Lithuanian Jonas Valanciunas to our talented, and improving, yoots...

Strengths: Long, agile, big man with a lot of promise ... The next big prospect out of Lithuania (after Motiejunas) .. Extremely fluid running the floor for a player his size ... His long wingspan and huge hands make him an imposing force inside ... Has good dexterity to catch the ball and make plays around the basket ... A good athlete who gets off the floor well and attacks the rim ... Born in 1992, considering his age, he appears to be a guy that is not done growing and could top out at well over 7-feet ...

Wide shoulders will allow him to put on a good deal of strength and weight without hindering his agility ... Shows a soft touch on his shot with excellent shooting mechanics and overall fundamentals ... Can face the basket and knock down shots out to 12 feet ... Good basketball IQ ... Strong motor. Plays with a strong competitive drive ... Hard working kid who should continue to improve ... Shows solid vision and court sense, getting rid of the ball and finding teammates when doubled ...

because you cant build in NY. We could do that Melo trade. Trade Gallo, Fields, Felton, Curry and two first rounders for Billups and Melo. Knicks would make the 6th seed and probably lose a good first round series to the Bulls, or maybe even advance. They would be a top heavy team with less talent and depth than the Hawks. They would make the playoffs and probably advance for the next 4 years or so but would not have the young horses to be elite.

Walsh knows this... which is why he turned that trade down.

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2/15/2011  8:41 AM
First reaction, this is Denver leaking again..."See Carmelo we are trying they just don't want you. Now how about that extension you just said you were open to signing..."

Donnie simply doesn't leak. As much off color humor that this comment invites it is the truth. I do not remember any trade he has made that has leaked even the smallest details.

In regards to this deal, horrendous. I am in the get Melo at the right price camp. This is too high, would leave too many holes, and honestly this late, would invite us to not make the playoffs.

More and more I am thinking that Donnie should give an offer or two and say "This is what we will do" and be done with it. My offer:

Carmelo and Nene for Curry, Ronny, Azu, Wilson, AR, Mason, Douglas.

Carmelo for Gallo OR Wilson, Curry, Douglas OR AR, Walker

Put it in Denver's lap and say get back to me by Trade Deadline morning or we roll the dice.

Sometimes you have to know when to get up and walk away. And if Denver knows we will, it is more pressure on them.

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2/15/2011  8:42 AM
misterearl: We need to go get Carmelo. How we do it is up to Donnie. It needs to happen because Amare + role players = .500 team! You cannot trade for skilled offensive players for Curry + Chandler + draft pick.
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2/15/2011  8:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2011  8:51 AM
Nalod wrote:Whats wrong with being a .500 team?

We start two rookies and are one of the youngest teams?

Last year we did not win 30 games. We likely will by march 1st.

INcremental growth is an accomplishment.

Every young team or young players have the same problem: consistency!

Bring Melo if you must but not for the star power but for the basketball!


Are you saying Incremental growth is guaranteed? How far does that incremental growth take us? to a championship? How do you know that Nalod?

We will remain a .500 team because other than Amare all we have is role players.

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2/15/2011  8:54 AM
Silverfuel - please read more carefully. Nalod's post read that "incremental growth was an accomplishment" NOT a guarantee.

There are no "guarantees."

Not even in Miami. And they have three, count 'em, THREE, so-called stars.

Just for the record, the 1969-70 New York Knicks were ALL role players. Not one all star in the bunch.

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2/15/2011  8:55 AM
IMHO this is not a terrible trade for the Knicks. With Melo in the mix Chandler is gone next year anyway. We part with Chandler a little early, trade Gallo, a pick, Curry's contract and Felton. Looking at this trade it's pretty much trading Gallo and Felton for Melo and Billups. Sure Billups is up there age wise but he can still play. Felton was given a 2 year deal for a reason aka CP3. The Knicks are not winning this year and there is no guarantee that the Knicks sign him during the off season. Billups can be bough out nexy year anyway or the Knicks could keep him next year and make a run at Chris Paul the following off season. I would pull the trigger on this deal.
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