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February 12, 2011
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NEW YORK -- The question was posed innocently enough, a reporter asking Kobe Bryant whether he thought the New York Knicks were for real or whether he thought they might be one great player away from being for real.

"The Knicks? Is that your way of asking me about the Melo stuff?" Bryant said before giving the most dead-on statement of the night, maybe of the season.

"I mean, yeah, they have some really good pieces here, and the future is bright for them. But I mean, who are we kidding?" Bryant said. "You know about Carmelo Anthony. Let's not go crazy here. Carmelo Anthony is a bad boy. So you figure it out."

Translation: If the Knicks are fooling themselves and their fans into believing that becoming relevant again is enough of an accomplishment in Year 3 of their famous four-year plan, they are making fools of themselves.

In other words: If the Knicks don't make this trade, they can look forward to slipping back into the same state of irrelevance they occupied for the better part of the past decade. Those were the days when good, star-studded teams such as the Los Angeles Lakers could come into Madison Square Garden and count on having half the crowd on their side -- sort of like what the Lakers had going Friday night in their 113-96 thumping of the now-.500 Knicks.

"The problem is there are so many Lakers fans here," Bryant said. "Maybe they've got to be more selective about who they sell tickets to."

The loudest chant of the night was "Let's Go Lakers!" The loudest roar of the night came after Shannon Brown reached faaaaaaar back behind him to corral an alley-oop pass that he converted into the best dunk unleashed at the Garden all season. Everything in the house Friday night except the Knicks constituted the show, which was the way things were back when Donnie Walsh was finishing his tenure in Indianapolis and Mike D'Antoni was doing the same in Phoenix.

The basketball the Knicks played in losing for the 11th time in 15 games? That right there might qualify for the ugliest sight of the night, unless one takes into account the bright orange, Russian-style hat Spike Lee sported all night until he made an early exit midway through the fourth quarter.

It was a night better spent celebrity watching than basketball watching for those cheering for the Knicks, the team that supposedly has captured the imagination of the city by keeping its head above water this long into the season for only the second time in 10 years.

But to steal a quote from Kobe: Who are we kidding?

Saturday will mark 12 days until the NBA trade deadline arrives, and what will continue to capture the imagination of the basketball-viewing public in New York is not the current Knicks, but the possibility that this team is going to have its second major rebuilding piece in place by the time Feb. 24 comes and goes. If that day passes with the status quo intact, the opportunity of the decade might be lost.

Yes, the Knicks might be able to get Anthony as an unrestricted free agent. Emphasis on the word "might." And it cannot go without saying that if Walsh continues to make unrealistic offers to the Nuggets because he believes he is dealing from a position of strength, he will not be able to make the trade the Knicks need to complete the jump from being relevant to being respected. The Nuggets still can say, "No," and roll the dice from there.

And since an offer of Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler and Anthony Randolph is not going to be enough to get it done, it becomes a question of how much more the Knicks will need to give up to get the Nuggets to pull the trigger.

"I walk away from every game thinking I've got to do something. I wake up every day thinking that," Walsh said before the game. "If it's not going to make you better, no matter how much you want to do something, you can't do it."

So that means we are supposed to believe the notion that including Landry Fields and/or Danilo Gallinari would be surrendering too much? Preposterous.

Players of Anthony's caliber become available on the trade market once in a generation, and if the Knicks can't find a way to make this one happen, they are doomed to another decade of distress.

"I'm a walking wound," Amare Stoudemire muttered as he strode through the locker room afterward with ice wraps around both knees and one ankle.

Not only is he a walking wound, he is a great player on an OK team that has nobody else with the combination of natural ability and killer instinct that Anthony possesses. As things stand, Stoudemire is doomed to getting his clock cleaned by whatever opponent the Knicks run up against in the first round, and he'll be lucky if he doesn't suffer the same fate that befell Stephon Marbury when he led the Knicks into the playoffs in his first season here, only to get swept out of the postseason by the vastly superior New Jersey Nets.

Another vastly superior opponent showed the Knicks how good it really is Friday night, and Walsh and Jim Dolan both had to be thinking the same thing as they left the Garden in their separate limousines: It is time to get this thing done.

One year ago, they were willing to make a ridiculously lopsided trade in order to bring in Tracy McGrady and clear the cap space for their doomed attempt to sign LeBron James.

Now we're supposed to believe they won't go the extra mile to actually acquire a player of similar caliber?

It is time, Mr. Dolan and Mr. Walsh, to do whatever it takes. Your team is going nowhere without Anthony, and the time to go get him -- even if you have to go against your vow not to "gut the team" -- is upon us.

Blow this one, and you can look forward to another four years of players like Bryant coming into the building and drawing the most zealous support. Those days are supposed to be over, but Friday night showed they are not.

Again, to steal a quote from Bryant: "Who are we kidding?"

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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Nalod
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2/12/2011  10:19 AM
Love these articles.

What about team is crap for 10 years, spend two years cleaning out the stank, become relevant again and then during a tough part of the a good season throw the towel in and paint a picture that we will fall back into chaos unless we get Melo.

There is a big picture here. I choose to believe patience and not panic.

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2/12/2011  10:23 AM
i laugh at this. the knicks have put every player on the team sans amar'e available to the nuggets in any package they want, this is per francesa who is well informed because he has a relationship with dolan. it's not up to the knicks, it's up to the nuggets who STILL don't know what they want and are dragging their feet in this whole ordeal. if it were up to the knicks melo woulda been on the team 3 weeks ago.
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2/12/2011  10:37 AM
Once a generation? Come on son
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/12/2011  11:03 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Once a generation? Come on son


haha.... that is what I said.. I like melo.. but the last once in a generation player we have seen is in Miami.. Lebron is one of the few guys you almost gut your team for... You see what he did for crappy cleveland... 60 wins!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/12/2011  11:05 AM
Once in a generation is a stretch.

Active players are Kobe, Lebron and Shaq. Thats it. Always great players in each generation but the "once" is that rarity.

Melo is prolific point scorer.

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2/12/2011  11:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2011  11:14 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Once a generation? Come on son

that isn't sheridan's point...

it's that once in a generation a player of his caliber is available via a trade...

Players of Anthony's caliber become available on the trade market once in a generation...
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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2/12/2011  11:45 AM
PresIke wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Once a generation? Come on son

that isn't sheridan's point...

it's that once in a generation a player of his caliber is available via a trade...

Players of Anthony's caliber become available on the trade market once in a generation...

So what?
Denver owner has a feeling that Carmelo will want money at the end.
If this is so I have no issues with him stay in Denver.
If Carmelo wants more that just additional couple of mils he is THE ONE I want in NY.
So no worries.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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2/12/2011  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2011  11:56 AM
arkrud wrote:
PresIke wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Once a generation? Come on son

that isn't sheridan's point...

it's that once in a generation a player of his caliber is available via a trade...

Players of Anthony's caliber become available on the trade market once in a generation...

So what?
Denver owner has a feeling that Carmelo will want money at the end.
If this is so I have no issues with him stay in Denver.
If Carmelo wants more that just additional couple of mils he is THE ONE I want in NY.
So no worries.


I agree Arkrud.
Every commentator says "It's about the money". Yet the Miami Big 3 - LeBron, Wade and Bosh ALL took less money so they could play together and win a championship. And 2 of them, LeBron and Wade, are better than Melo. Why do they think that Melo won't take less by waiting until the end of the season to sign with the Knicks?
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2/12/2011  1:46 PM
Nalod wrote:Love these articles.

What about team is crap for 10 years, spend two years cleaning out the stank, become relevant again and then during a tough part of the a good season throw the towel in and paint a picture that we will fall back into chaos unless we get Melo.

There is a big picture here. I choose to believe patience and not panic.

but dolan isn't gonna be patient and he's gonna force donnie to cave in with a bad deal.

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2/12/2011  2:19 PM
I remind every NY fan that it's not just about this season. So yes, we might give up a lot to get him, but then we have him and STAT for years to come and will have time to put more pieces around them. Even with a trade this month, the team won't be elite. It's a rebuilding process and that's gonna take some time to finish. The problem is we don't know how serious Denver is about trading Melo. I'm starting to think they don't want to trade him at all now. If they can't come down just a bit on their demands and meet us in the middle then I think it's clear they didn't want to deal and were posturing. We can give them a decent package that isn't our entire roster.
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2/12/2011  3:36 PM
Markji wrote:Every commentator says "It's about the money". Yet the Miami Big 3 - LeBron, Wade and Bosh ALL took less money so they could play together and win a championship. And 2 of them, LeBron and Wade, are better than Melo. Why do they think that Melo won't take less by waiting until the end of the season to sign with the Knicks?

maybe because melo himself DOES care about the money more than the others. it is possible.

this is also a different situation than last summer because it may be that melo gets significantly less under a new CBA. who knows?

clearly he wants to win too, but he wants his cake and to eat it too, and in his case, he has a lot of leverage.

the worst case scenario for him is he becomes a free agent. but it would make sense to tie up an extension now for him.

yes, it may end up taking more from the knicks, but he must believe that he and amar'e can still do well with lesser role players, signing minimum guys, etc. to build a complete team over the next few years while they are learning to play with one another.

or, if no trade, he can sign with another team, maybe the knicks, that becomes interested in trying to get him as a free-agent.

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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2/12/2011  4:32 PM
Chris Sheridan is a moron.
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2/12/2011  6:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2011  6:38 PM
PresIke wrote:
Markji wrote:Every commentator says "It's about the money". Yet the Miami Big 3 - LeBron, Wade and Bosh ALL took less money so they could play together and win a championship. And 2 of them, LeBron and Wade, are better than Melo. Why do they think that Melo won't take less by waiting until the end of the season to sign with the Knicks?

maybe because melo himself DOES care about the money more than the others. it is possible.

this is also a different situation than last summer because it may be that melo gets significantly less under a new CBA. who knows?

clearly he wants to win too, but he wants his cake and to eat it too, and in his case, he has a lot of leverage.

the worst case scenario for him is he becomes a free agent. but it would make sense to tie up an extension now for him.

yes, it may end up taking more from the knicks, but he must believe that he and amar'e can still do well with lesser role players, signing minimum guys, etc. to build a complete team over the next few years while they are learning to play with one another.

or, if no trade, he can sign with another team, maybe the knicks, that becomes interested in trying to get him as a free-agent.


Does Melo care more for the $ than winning? I think he wants both. To get both he has to make some sacrifice somewhere as did the Heat players. Melo wants $63 million extension = $21mil/year. I think starting at $19 mil the first year??

Bosh, Wade and LeBron all signed for significantly less so the Heat could sign Bosh and some role players like Mike Miller which were needed so they could WIN now.
This year's salaries for the Heat's NEW players:

LeBron $14.5 mil
Bosh $14.5 mil
Wade $14 mil
Mike Miller $5 Mil
Ilgauskas $1.3 mil

Melo could probably get what LeBron and others got if he signs this summer as a FA.

Also Martin's point - Melo may not want to sign with a team that guts its roster to get him in a trade because he knows that it takes a full team to win in the NBA. Good role players are needed in addition to the superstars.

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2/12/2011  6:46 PM
Does Melo care more for the $ than winning?

Did Amare care more for the $ than winning when he agreed to sign w/the Knicks? every FA is entitled to go after the most money he can get, most players only get a chance to do this once in their careers.

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2/12/2011  7:06 PM
TMS wrote:
Does Melo care more for the $ than winning?

Did Amare care more for the $ than winning when he agreed to sign w/the Knicks? every FA is entitled to go after the most money he can get, most players only get a chance to do this once in their careers.

Melo is "entitled to go after the most money he can get" as you say and I agree. But that isn't the argument. If Melo wanted the most money he should have agreed to extend with the Nets and he would have had his money months ago. But he doesn't want to play for the Nets because all of their good players and draft picks would be gone.

He has chosen to play for the Knicks and team up with Amare! I would love to get Melo before the trade deadline, but if not, then Melo can wait til after the season and sign with us. Denver is really the one's controlling this and they don't want to make it easy for anyone to get Melo. They want Melo to extend with them.

Also, perhaps Melo will refuse to extend with the Knicks if we gut our team. Ever think of that?

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2/12/2011  7:13 PM
Markji wrote:
TMS wrote:
Does Melo care more for the $ than winning?

Did Amare care more for the $ than winning when he agreed to sign w/the Knicks? every FA is entitled to go after the most money he can get, most players only get a chance to do this once in their careers.

Melo is "entitled to go after the most money he can get" as you say and I agree. But that isn't the argument. If Melo wanted the most money he should have agreed to extend with the Nets and he would have had his money months ago. But he doesn't want to play for the Nets because all of their good players and draft picks would be gone.

He has chosen to play for the Knicks and team up with Amare! I would love to get Melo before the trade deadline, but if not, then Melo can wait til after the season and sign with us. Denver is really the one's controlling this and they don't want to make it easy for anyone to get Melo. They want Melo to extend with them.

Also, perhaps Melo will refuse to extend with the Knicks if we gut our team. Ever think of that?

Melo is entitled to try & get himself into the best situation for him & his family... in his eyes that situation is apparently playing for the NY Knicks... that's why he's angled to get himself into this position & refused to sign that extension w/NJ... that doesn't mean he should want to leave millions on the table if he can help it... he wants his cake & eat it too just like most other high profile athletes in every sport out there... i'd want that too if i were in his shoes & so would most other people.

& if he refused to sign if we gutted our roster then no deal gets done to begin with, don't see any reason to be concerned about that... no team is going to give up a good package assets w/o a commitment from him to sign a contract extension.

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2/12/2011  8:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2011  8:27 PM
TMS wrote:
Markji wrote:
TMS wrote:
Does Melo care more for the $ than winning?

Did Amare care more for the $ than winning when he agreed to sign w/the Knicks? every FA is entitled to go after the most money he can get, most players only get a chance to do this once in their careers.

Melo is "entitled to go after the most money he can get" as you say and I agree. But that isn't the argument. If Melo wanted the most money he should have agreed to extend with the Nets and he would have had his money months ago. But he doesn't want to play for the Nets because all of their good players and draft picks would be gone.

He has chosen to play for the Knicks and team up with Amare! I would love to get Melo before the trade deadline, but if not, then Melo can wait til after the season and sign with us. Denver is really the one's controlling this and they don't want to make it easy for anyone to get Melo. They want Melo to extend with them.

Also, perhaps Melo will refuse to extend with the Knicks if we gut our team. Ever think of that?

Melo is entitled to try & get himself into the best situation for him & his family... in his eyes that situation is apparently playing for the NY Knicks... that's why he's angled to get himself into this position & refused to sign that extension w/NJ... that doesn't mean he should want to leave millions on the table if he can help it... he wants his cake & eat it too just like most other high profile athletes in every sport out there... i'd want that too if i were in his shoes & so would most other people.

& if he refused to sign if we gutted our roster then no deal gets done to begin with, don't see any reason to be concerned about that... no team is going to give up a good package assets w/o a commitment from him to sign a contract extension.


TMS - maybe it is your choice of words and we are almost thinking alike. There are 3 things I can see that Melo wants.
1. Money
2. Play in NY for the Knicks with Stat so he can achieve #3
3. Win a championship

The question arises - will he sacrifice a little from #1 above in order to achieve #3 (and #2). Because the team has a better chance of winning if we have cap space to sign some very good complimentary players. This is what LeBron, Wade, Bosh did and Michael Jordan before them. That is my point. If Melo signs here, takes a little less, he and we have a better chance of winning it all....and that is supposedly his primary goal.

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2/12/2011  8:40 PM
Markji wrote:
TMS wrote:
Markji wrote:
TMS wrote:
Does Melo care more for the $ than winning?

Did Amare care more for the $ than winning when he agreed to sign w/the Knicks? every FA is entitled to go after the most money he can get, most players only get a chance to do this once in their careers.

Melo is "entitled to go after the most money he can get" as you say and I agree. But that isn't the argument. If Melo wanted the most money he should have agreed to extend with the Nets and he would have had his money months ago. But he doesn't want to play for the Nets because all of their good players and draft picks would be gone.

He has chosen to play for the Knicks and team up with Amare! I would love to get Melo before the trade deadline, but if not, then Melo can wait til after the season and sign with us. Denver is really the one's controlling this and they don't want to make it easy for anyone to get Melo. They want Melo to extend with them.

Also, perhaps Melo will refuse to extend with the Knicks if we gut our team. Ever think of that?

Melo is entitled to try & get himself into the best situation for him & his family... in his eyes that situation is apparently playing for the NY Knicks... that's why he's angled to get himself into this position & refused to sign that extension w/NJ... that doesn't mean he should want to leave millions on the table if he can help it... he wants his cake & eat it too just like most other high profile athletes in every sport out there... i'd want that too if i were in his shoes & so would most other people.

& if he refused to sign if we gutted our roster then no deal gets done to begin with, don't see any reason to be concerned about that... no team is going to give up a good package assets w/o a commitment from him to sign a contract extension.


TMS - maybe it is your choice of words and we are almost thinking alike. There are 3 things I can see that Melo wants.
1. Money
2. Play in NY for the Knicks with Stat so he can achieve #3
3. Win a championship

The question arises - will he sacrifice a little from #1 above in order to achieve #3 (and #2). Because the team has a better chance of winning if we have cap space to sign some very good complimentary players. This is what LeBron, Wade, Bosh did and Michael Jordan before them. That is my point. If Melo signs here, takes a little less, he and we have a better chance of winning it all....and that is supposedly his primary goal.

i think it's hard to judge him wanting to sign an extension now w/a looming lockout & new CBA on the horizon... we don't even know if he'll even be able to opt out this summer for all we know the new CBA might include a franchise player tag provision... that kind of uncertainty is not something that Lebron, Wade or Bosh had to deal with this past summer, nor has any other bigname FA in recent memory... of course ideally we would all love for Melo to wait til free agency & simply sign here but there's a ton of uncertainty surrounding that scenario, i personally would rather not take any chances... if we can get Melo on a fair trade i say we do it.

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2/12/2011  8:52 PM
let's hope the nuggets aren't watching this game.
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