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BRIGGS
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2/9/2011  10:03 PM
The coach lets too much undisciplined play go on at both ends and relies on that 3 way too much. This team has lost desire and only plays hard in spurts. Fire the coach.
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2/9/2011  10:04 PM
Yes.
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2/9/2011  10:06 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The coach lets too much undisciplined play go on at both ends and relies on that 3 way too much. This team has lost desire and only plays hard in spurts. Fire the coach.

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2/9/2011  10:08 PM
Chicago has the 5th best point differential in the league. Tom Thibodeau should have been the choice instead of D'Antoni.
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2/9/2011  10:09 PM
franco12 wrote:Chicago has the 5th best point differential in the league. Tom Thibodeau should have been the choice instead of D'Antoni.
Totally agree. I think he should have been the choice instead of Don Chaney.
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2/9/2011  10:11 PM
In the end this is a team that is gonna end up at or above .500 and when you have that kind of team that is not a team that you expect to be consistently good. They play up and down. They have great stretches and bad stretches. We're young and still learning how to play hard for 48 minutes every night. Still it comes down to our offense and it was horrid and when we don't score it affects us on D. That's also the nature of an offensive minded team. We aren't a grind it out hard nosed team. This is a team full of scorers and if we're off then it gets real tough. I don't blame the coach for the make up of the team in terms of their natural mental tendencies. The team is set up to win by scoring well. If we don't score well then we suffer.

We're not looking to get better defensively. What are we doing? Looking to add a better offensive player to this mix. How we win is going to always be based on scoring efficiently. So get used to it, cuz no one could get this team to be something it's not, which is A defensive team! They can improve but will never be a shutdown team.

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2/9/2011  10:15 PM
nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?
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2/9/2011  10:18 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?

I'm just being realistic. This team wasn't built to be a shutdown defensive team. We beat teams by outscoring them and playing smart and efficient BB. Now we've been looking to add Melo who will only further cement that this is an offensive team. Unless we don't get him and then can go for a big and PG. Otherwise we'd be doubling down on the offensive team we already have and making it more potent with Melo.

I know it looks like we lost on D, but really it was horrid offense. We can't miss that many open shots and expect to win.

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2/9/2011  10:22 PM
nixluva wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?

I'm just being realistic. This team wasn't built to be a shutdown defensive team. We beat teams by outscoring them and playing smart and efficient BB. Now we've been looking to add Melo who will only further cement that this is an offensive team. Unless we don't get him and then can go for a big and PG. Otherwise we'd be doubling down on the offensive team we already have and making it more potent with Melo.

I know it looks like we lost on D, but really it was horrid offense. We can't miss that many open shots and expect to win.

We shot 50% and scored 108 points. That should be enough to win.

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2/9/2011  10:23 PM
It's amazing how disorganized and undisciplined this team looks, especially on the defensive end. It's like they haven't been coached at all sometimes. The basics escape them, like boxing out, spacing, ball movement, defense, etc.

We heard excuses for this for D'Antoni's first 2 years. Now there is no excuse.

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2/9/2011  10:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?

I'm just being realistic. This team wasn't built to be a shutdown defensive team. We beat teams by outscoring them and playing smart and efficient BB. Now we've been looking to add Melo who will only further cement that this is an offensive team. Unless we don't get him and then can go for a big and PG. Otherwise we'd be doubling down on the offensive team we already have and making it more potent with Melo.

I know it looks like we lost on D, but really it was horrid offense. We can't miss that many open shots and expect to win.

We shot 50% and scored 108 points. That should be enough to win.

Yeah but we missed a ton of wide open shots and had a lot of bad possessions mixed in. We stunk on D, but I didn't think we looked sharp on offense at all. Just be honest tho, is this or is this not a primarily offensive team?

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2/9/2011  10:29 PM
You know its time to fire DAntoni when a team that has 3 road wins beats you at home by scoring 116 points WITHOUT their leading scorer.
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2/9/2011  10:31 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?

I'm just being realistic. This team wasn't built to be a shutdown defensive team. We beat teams by outscoring them and playing smart and efficient BB. Now we've been looking to add Melo who will only further cement that this is an offensive team. Unless we don't get him and then can go for a big and PG. Otherwise we'd be doubling down on the offensive team we already have and making it more potent with Melo.

I know it looks like we lost on D, but really it was horrid offense. We can't miss that many open shots and expect to win.

We shot 50% and scored 108 points. That should be enough to win.

Yeah but we missed a ton of wide open shots and had a lot of bad possessions mixed in. We stunk on D, but I didn't think we looked sharp on offense at all. Just be honest tho, is this or is this not a primarily offensive team?

I think that is the coaches focus and that is why the team is that way. Felton, Chandler, Turiaff, Douglas, and even Gallinari can be very good defensive players. I don't care that the coach shows his team playing zone defense on his show and talks about it. It isn't his focus and never has been. There is a reason why there is a saying, defense wins championships.
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2/9/2011  10:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?

I'm just being realistic. This team wasn't built to be a shutdown defensive team. We beat teams by outscoring them and playing smart and efficient BB. Now we've been looking to add Melo who will only further cement that this is an offensive team. Unless we don't get him and then can go for a big and PG. Otherwise we'd be doubling down on the offensive team we already have and making it more potent with Melo.

I know it looks like we lost on D, but really it was horrid offense. We can't miss that many open shots and expect to win.

We shot 50% and scored 108 points. That should be enough to win.

Yeah but we missed a ton of wide open shots and had a lot of bad possessions mixed in. We stunk on D, but I didn't think we looked sharp on offense at all. Just be honest tho, is this or is this not a primarily offensive team?

It's an offensive team, but the most offensive reliant team in the league. There has to be a balance somewhere, but with Dantoni that balance is non existent.

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2/9/2011  10:33 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:You know its time to fire DAntoni when a team that has 3 road wins beats you at home by scoring 116 points WITHOUT their leading scorer.

I don't know about all of that. We're gonna have some games like this and lately with Felton slumping and Chandler trying to get back it's been like that. I also feel we miss having Turiaf. He's not a great player, but he gives us good minutes and energy when healthy. I'm happy to see Timo playing well tho. He had some defensive lapses, but overall Timo was rebounding well and was active on both ends.

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2/9/2011  10:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2011  10:37 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:You know its time to fire DAntoni when a team that has 3 road wins beats you at home by scoring 116 points WITHOUT their leading scorer.

I don't know about all of that. We're gonna have some games like this and lately with Felton slumping and Chandler trying to get back it's been like that. I also feel we miss having Turiaf. He's not a great player, but he gives us good minutes and energy when healthy. I'm happy to see Timo playing well tho. He had some defensive lapses, but overall Timo was rebounding well and was active on both ends.

Dantonis defensive principles, or a lack of were non existent before Felton and Mosgov were Knicks. Not sure what that has to do with him needing to get canned.

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2/9/2011  10:37 PM
I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.
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2/9/2011  10:38 PM
I think the coaches focus on D enough and the team should know what to do by now. They get mentally out of wack when they don't score and that's been a problem from day one. The D was ahead of the offense early in the year and we lost games. I think now the D hasn't progressed enough and it's really about the effort level and commitment of the players. The coaches have told them what to do, but if they're not energized and focused all game that's on the players. By now they've played enough and should know better but they fall back on their natural tendencies.
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2/9/2011  10:43 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.

His coaching future shouldn't be determined by whether or not he makes the playoffs. Any Amare Stoudemire team can make the playoffs. But with the way things are going, we're looking at a first round exit.

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2/9/2011  10:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.
He messed up pretty bad last year not playing Hill and Douglas. I think he could have handled things a bit better with Nate and Darko. Both of those guys were talents that Walsh wanted on the team. If you are a great coach you make things work with them like their new coaches are. I think Randolph will be the next asset devaluled by D'Antoni to be moved because he doesn't want to deal with guys that need leadership and teaching from the coach. In addition to being a franchise player, Amare filled the leadership void that was lacking with this coach.
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