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Biggest need right now: Backup PG. This needs to be addressed ASAP
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crzymdups
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2/5/2011  1:18 PM
I hate to harp on the Jason Williams thing, but I feel like if he were the backup point guard last night we win that game.

Toney Douglas is a good defender, but he has REGRESSED as an offensive player. He is not a point guard. When he runs the offense, it looks horrendous. He killed us in that 4th quarter. Killed us.

I would even say run some sets where Gallo functions as the point forward... anything other than Toney running the point.

We need a backup point guard to spell Raymond and to also capably run the offense with Ray either on the bench or having an off night.

I really lament the fact that the team didn't chase Jason Williams for free.

Who are the options left at this point?

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2/5/2011  1:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2011  1:37 PM
I agree completely about Toney, a player that I like in general, but he is an awful PG. However, I'm not sure which is more urgent for the Knicks: a backup PG or a big who can rebound the ball consistently and defend (decently, not even shut-down style) other big post players. Do your thing, Donnie.
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2/5/2011  1:43 PM
Funny but I think Duhon we have been a good backup. He's rotting on the bench on Orlando to boot.
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2/5/2011  1:47 PM
CashMoney wrote:Funny but I think Duhon we have been a good backup. He's rotting on the bench on Orlando to boot.

Yeah, but a little pricy. $3.5 million for Duhon to play 10-15 mins a game is probably not worth it, until we've given up on cap flexibility.

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2/5/2011  2:17 PM
TD/AR for Mullens/Maynor should have been done early this year.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/5/2011  3:15 PM
Solace wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Funny but I think Duhon we have been a good backup. He's rotting on the bench on Orlando to boot.

Yeah, but a little pricy. $3.5 million for Duhon to play 10-15 mins a game is probably not worth it, until we've given up on cap flexibility.

Felton's only slightly better than Duhon, just ask the blobman.

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2/5/2011  3:41 PM
Our biggest need right now is another star player to help carry the load in crunchtime. Unless the PG you're talking about is someone like CP3, adding another role player is only gonna do so much to help this team.
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2/5/2011  4:53 PM
Toney's defense isn't even all that good. His pressure is great and occassionally he plays amazing defense, but half of the time he's behind the play from either trying to gamble for steals or ball watching and his man slips away from him. When his shot isn't falling, he's almost useless. Tough guy and pretty good shooter, but we need an upgrade, especiually in a pg oriented offense.
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2/5/2011  5:17 PM
Anyone from the D-league?
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2/5/2011  6:50 PM
TMS wrote:Our biggest need right now is another star player to help carry the load in crunchtime. Unless the PG you're talking about is someone like CP3, adding another role player is only gonna do so much to help this team.

I'm talking about a move that wouldn't hurt the chase for Melo. Obviously Melo changes the complexion of the team... but they need a backup PG to stay afloat in the playoff race. They need it. Felton will wear himself out and when Toney runs the team it is a disaster.

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2/5/2011  7:33 PM
He has good games not so good games. Why judge his ability to play for us, when he is playing injured? Here is a recent article from the Wall Street Journal about his play which statistically says he is doing some things good for the Knicks.

"With point guard Raymond Felton currently eighth in the league in court time and looking more and more weary by the day, Knicks fans may be imploring their team to find someone to take over some of those mounting minutes.

But if the performance of the team is the best indication, a suitable option is already on the roster. Toney Douglas may be an unconventional point guard (just 3.5 assists per 36 minutes), but he's effective. When the team is helmed by Mr. Douglas, it has outscored opponents 103-95 when measured on a per 48-minute scale that equates to a NBA game.

Mr. Douglas has a reputation for being a better on-the-ball defender than Mr. Felton. And there's supporting evidence of that in our numbers—opponents average 12 fewer points per 48 minutes when Mr. Douglas is quarterbacking the Knicks compared to Mr. Felton's time on court. Additionally Mr. Douglas's turnover rate is about half of Mr. Felton's and his paltry rate of assists suggest he's a poor distributor. But Mr. Douglas has played with 61 different combinations of players (excluding those with Mr. Felton). And he hasn't logged more than 26 minutes with any of them. That's hardly a formula for fostering basketball chemistry.

Mr. Felton is averaging 38.7 minutes per game—more than any other pure point guard. His shooting percentage by month is steadily declining (to .373 in January). It's possible that the apparent defensive advantage of Mr. Douglas results from him being able to play full speed while Mr. Felton must pace himself. Subtracting a few minutes of Mr. Felton's court time may allow him to get back to his early-season form—especially considering the Knicks seemingly lose nothing when he's on the bench. "

I also think your sense of urgency about our needing a backup point guard immediately, ignores that February will be dominated by Carmelo Anthony's situation. The Knicks are highly unlikely to make any other moves which might take their focus away from snagging Melo.
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2/7/2011  2:53 PM
I agree with crzymdups 100%!

I like: Earl Watson, Beno Udrih & Andre Miller.
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2/7/2011  2:59 PM
I would saw my right arm off for Luke Ridnour.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/7/2011  3:03 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:Our biggest need right now is another star player to help carry the load in crunchtime. Unless the PG you're talking about is someone like CP3, adding another role player is only gonna do so much to help this team.

I'm talking about a move that wouldn't hurt the chase for Melo. Obviously Melo changes the complexion of the team... but they need a backup PG to stay afloat in the playoff race. They need it. Felton will wear himself out and when Toney runs the team it is a disaster.

i doubt any other moves will get made until this Melo situation is taken care of.... i agree we need a viable backup PG because TD is not doing the job of orchestrating when Felton is on the bench... 1 possible solution could be playing Gallo more as a point forward & letting him run the PnR w/Amare at times to help share the load... maybe there's some viable solutions in the D-Leagues... Aaron Miles (played on Knicks SL team in '05), Curtis Stinson or Antonio Daniels might be possibilities to bring in on minimum contracts.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=20&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All%20Teams

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2/7/2011  3:33 PM
wish we could get kurt hinrich good passer can penetrate and hit the three....good basketball iq...nash lite
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2/7/2011  3:45 PM
biggest need is rebounding. Look at the #s... Knicks win on the boards they win they game. They get smoked on the boards they lose. We have a lot of guys who can and do make shots. Its getting stops and cleaning the glass that are killing
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2/7/2011  3:50 PM
Backup PGs are useful for top tier teams like SA, Mia, LAL, etc.

We need another star.
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2/7/2011  3:52 PM
abs wrote:wish we could get kurt hinrich good passer can penetrate and hit the three....good basketball iq...nash lite

he's more like Steve Blake Heavy

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2/7/2011  8:17 PM
TMS wrote:
abs wrote:wish we could get kurt hinrich good passer can penetrate and hit the three....good basketball iq...nash lite

he's more like Steve Blake Heavy

SRod like?
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2/7/2011  8:23 PM
orangeblobman wrote:I would saw my right arm off for Luke Ridnour.

can you youtube it?
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