Allanfan20 wrote:I wont lie. With the way Mozgov played today (Not particularly good, except at the very beginning) and with our lack of rebounding, and the fact that AR played well the other day, the guy should have seen some time today. Is he really playing this bad at this point, in practice, that Billy Walker gets to play ahead of him?

not only Billy Walker, but Andy Rautins... lol.

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:I wont lie. With the way Mozgov played today (Not particularly good, except at the very beginning) and with our lack of rebounding, and the fact that AR played well the other day, the guy should have seen some time today. Is he really playing this bad at this point, in practice, that Billy Walker gets to play ahead of him?

not only Billy Walker, but Andy Rautins... lol.

I think there are a lot of guys in the d-league better than Walker. He has been unimpressive since the summer league. I get that he can hit the three and that is important to his coach. But the guy is a second round pick that has had two major knee surgeries. I don't understand how you give minutes to him and let a 6'11" lottery pick that is 21 sit. But I don't get a lot of things that go on with this coach. I love the Mosgov revelations of how devastating it is to be one of D'Antoni's untouchables.

i personally don't have a real big problem w/Walker, but his upside is limited & we already have about 5 other guys that do the exact same things he does on the floor... how many 3 pt shooters do we need anyway?... we got a 21 yo kid with the talent to be a star in this league sitting on the bench & he can't get any minutes... it's craziness... did u see him launch up shots as soon as he got off the bench tonight in garbage time? those quotes from Mozgov about putting pressure on himself to do something right away when his name is called in garbage run paint a pretty clear picture of what it's like for a young player trying to break into the rotation... i only hope AR doesn't get too down on himself or on his place on this team & just keeps working.

AR should be starting by now.

drafting Jordan Hill is donnie walsh's biggest mistake and not playing AR is MDA's biggest mistake.

It doesn't matter how you play if you're as irresponsible as he is. That's the point MikeD is trying to make to him.

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CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:I wont lie. With the way Mozgov played today (Not particularly good, except at the very beginning) and with our lack of rebounding, and the fact that AR played well the other day, the guy should have seen some time today. Is he really playing this bad at this point, in practice, that Billy Walker gets to play ahead of him?

not only Billy Walker, but Andy Rautins... lol.

I think there are a lot of guys in the d-league better than Walker. He has been unimpressive since the summer league. I get that he can hit the three and that is important to his coach. But the guy is a second round pick that has had two major knee surgeries. I don't understand how you give minutes to him and let a 6'11" lottery pick that is 21 sit. But I don't get a lot of things that go on with this coach. I love the Mosgov revelations of how devastating it is to be one of D'Antoni's untouchables.

i personally don't have a real big problem w/Walker, but his upside is limited & we already have about 5 other guys that do the exact same things he does on the floor... how many 3 pt shooters do we need anyway?... we got a 21 yo kid with the talent to be a star in this league sitting on the bench & he can't get any minutes... it's craziness... did u see him launch up shots as soon as he got off the bench tonight in garbage time? those quotes from Mozgov about putting pressure on himself to do something right away when his name is called in garbage run paint a pretty clear picture of what it's like for a young player trying to break into the rotation... i only hope AR doesn't get too down on himself or on his place on this team & just keeps working.

Agree with everyone here...I never understood this situation right from jumpstreet and probably never will..A guy doesn't play because either (A) he simple doesn't have enough talent to help the team on a consistent basis (which is complete BS because Randolph obviously does--I'd even go as far as to say this kid has talent in spades..Even if it was considered 'untapped' at one point, then it's the coach's job to tap into it--D'Antoni never bother to) or (B) the player has some other problem or deficiency that interferes with his privilege to garner playing time, i.e. an injury, an immaturity problem (Randolph hasn't said boo throughout the entire process. He's done and said all the right things--if he didn't, we would've heard about it); a lack of respect for the game a-la Nate Robinson circa his last year in NY (I for one understood exactly why Mike had a problem with Nate after awhile); continually late to practice/shoot-arounds; a substance abuse problem (OJ Mayo); whatever...There has been no evidence of any of this..I liken this whole situation to bringing an aircraft carrier to a war and then refusing to launching all the fighter planes..It's rediculous. Damn right it's craziness TMS..I mean what else can you f'in say?? Mike's gotten to a point with this kid where, with one broad stroke, he's succeeded in getting ZERO mileage out of a man with his considerable talent while also completely destroying his confidence and his trade value in the process...Nice job coach. I can't wait to see this kid playing at a high level somewhere else soon. Thank God for the NBA package man.

GustavBahler wrote:I want to see AR attack the rim if he has a clear path or just one defender between him and the bucket. He's had chances but almost always settles for jumpers. AR was brought here to attack the rim and alter shots. They worked with Gallo on his stride, I hope they work with AR on being more aggressive inside.

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I want to see AR attack the rim if he has a clear path or just one defender between him and the bucket. He's had chances but almost always settles for jumpers. AR was brought here to attack the rim and alter shots. They worked with Gallo on his stride, I hope they work with AR on being more aggressive inside.

I hope someone is working with Randolph. There are always reports of Dan D'Antoni working with Mosgov. I never hear anything about someone working with Randolph to help him. It seems like he is in a pretty bad spot. At least it appears he has moved Roger Mason to last man off the bench status.

Problem is it might be Herb lol...

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crzymdups wrote:and anyone who compares this to jordan hill... it's not the same. hill doesn't have a motor, doesn't understand how to compete. AR does. he has a world class motor and knows how to compete. he needs to learn how to win... but that is something that can be learned, especially with guys like Amar'e and Felton leading the team.

AR should be starting by now.

drafting Jordan Hill is donnie walsh's biggest mistake and not playing AR is MDA's biggest mistake.

the comparisons to Jordan Hill are only made because of the fact we used up a valuable asset to get both those guys here & neither one of them were really utilized by the head coach.

Hill was the valuable asset used up to get rid of Jeffries. Can't remember that we used an asset to get him here. Unless you mean the pick itself -- which is always a gamble. I don't like the pick (in hindsight), but I'm not going to kill Walsh for it.