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1/30/2011  8:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2011  9:00 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aka21x3DBThcRpH5Qg9RvHG8vLYF?slug=aw-knickswarkentien013011

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1/30/2011  9:01 PM
Knicks to hire Warkentien as consultant
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NEW YORK – In a move that undoubtedly has roots in the pursuit of Carmelo Anthony(notes), New York Knicks president Donnie Walsh has reached an agreement with former Denver Nuggets general manager Mark Warkentien to join the Knicks as a high-level consultant, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday.

The hiring of Warkentien is expected to be a prelude to a larger and more specific front-office role in the future, but that’s still an issue to be worked out. As the Knicks work to acquire Anthony through a trade this season or in free agency this summer, there’s no minimizing Warkentien’s institutional knowledge of the Nuggets organization and ownership, as well as a strong relationship with Anthony.

Warkentien, the NBA’s 2009 Executive of the Year, will also work close with Walsh on college and pro personnel evaluation.

Walsh had difficulty selling Garden ownership on hiring a full-fledged deputy in recent years – he’s considered candidates such as Warkentien and Chris Mullin – but finally cleared the way to get Warkentien hired in the consultant’s role.

A contract has been drawn, but is still awaiting signatures, sources said.

Walsh has an option on his contract that Knicks owner James Dolan needs to pick up by April 1. Glen Grunwald and Allan Houston(notes) are currently Walsh’s top two officials in the front office. Walsh has expressed a desire to finish the full reclamation project with New York, and most expect the option to be a formality considering the rejuvenation of the franchise after Walsh signed free agents Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) and Raymond Felton(notes).

Warkentien was part of a complicated structure with the Nuggets that included Rex Chapman and Brett Bearup. He made several key moves that pushed the Nuggets into the Western Conference finals in 2009, including the Chauncey Billups(notes) trade and several complementary signings and deals. Denver owner Stan Kroenke didn’t renew Warkentien’s contract in the spring of 2010, choosing to elevate his son, Josh, and hire Toronto Raptors assistant GM Masai Ujiri, to run the franchise.

League sources said that upon hearing of Warkentien’s impending hire in New York, Ujiri told members of his Denver front-office and scouting staffs – apparently in a half-joking manner – that they won’t be allowed to join Warkentien in New York.

Another factor for Walsh is the ongoing NBA investigation into a Yahoo! Sports report of illegal predraft workouts and contact with college underclassmen by East Coast scouting director Rodney Heard. The NBA has hired a law firm to investigate the charges, which included several players and witnesses detailing rules serious violations.

Pending the results of the investigation, the Knicks could face substantial fines and the possible loss of future draft picks. If Heard loses his job with the Knicks, West Coast scout Mark Hughes, who was largely responsible for the drafting of second-round gem Landry Fields(notes), is expected to move into a more prominent role in the Knicks’ front office. The ability to find talent outside the draft – such as Europe, the Development League and undrafted college players – has been a strength of Warkentien over his two decades in NBA front offices.

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1/30/2011  9:11 PM
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1/30/2011  9:28 PM
I hope we get their key staff too (on top of Melo). Sounds like nepotism now runs rampant in Denver, and competent operational staff tend to defect when that happens.
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1/30/2011  10:17 PM
Sounds like the Knicks pulled off another steal. Great news.
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1/30/2011  10:22 PM
This is an interesting wrinkle in pursuit of certain players. He's got a quality track record and more experience building a winner than Mullin or Houston. A nice addition. I'm glad Dolan is finally letting Donnie hire some of employees.
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1/30/2011  10:55 PM
grillco wrote:This is an interesting wrinkle in pursuit of certain players. He's got a quality track record and more experience building a winner than Mullin or Houston. A nice addition. I'm glad Dolan is finally letting Donnie hire some of employees.

Well he isn't an employee yet, but I hope Donnie can make that happen.

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1/30/2011  10:58 PM
Warkentien could bolster Knicks' Melo chances

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/27318220?source=rss_blogs_NBA


Revenge, as they say, is sweet.

Back in August, Nuggets GM Mark Warkentien thought he was going to continue negotiating the two most important contract extensions in the organization's history -- those of Carmelo Anthony and coach George Karl. The fact that Warkentien had been ostracized in the very organization he'd positioned for a run to the Western Conference finals a little more than a year earlier, though, amounted to the writing on the wall.

Warkentien, the 2009 NBA executive of the year, was let go along with fellow front-office type Rex Chapman in a complete purge of the Nuggets' management team. This was after Warkentien had been insulted with an offer to take a roughly 50 percent pay cut -- with some of the difference possibly to be made up through incentive clauses. (And maybe some Wal-Mart coupons.)

Within weeks of owner Stan Kroenke's decision to turn the organization over to his son, Josh, and former Raptors executive Masai Ujiri, Anthony's camp began informing the team that he would not be signing a three-year, $65 million extension and wanted a trade. Nuggets advisor Brett Bearup subsequently was let go, and the Nuggets believed they had made a fresh start in their efforts to make the best of the Anthony situation.

Only one problem: Warkentien, who knows where all the bodies are buried in Denver and has a strong relationship with Anthony, is about to be employed by the enemy. A person close to Warkentien confirmed a report Sunday night by Yahoo! Sports that the Knicks intend to hire Warkentien as a high-level consultant. The move, which has yet to be finalized, represents the first step in Knicks president Donnie Walsh's long-time efforts to hire a right-hand man. In the past, he had considered Warkentien, former Warriors executive Chris Mullin, and former Trail Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard, while coach Mike D'Antoni had some other candidates in mind.

After Garden chairman James Dolan's clumsy attempt at hiring former coach and president Isiah Thomas was thoroughly repudiated by Walsh, the decision to go with Warkentien is the strongest sign yet that Walsh -- whose fingerprints are all over the Knicks' revival -- will chart the course for the long-term future of the franchise, too.

Walsh's contract has a team option that must be picked up by April 1. While the addition of Warkentien as a consultant is viewed by those close to the situation as a prelude to an expanded and more permanent role, sources also say that not only is Walsh's option expected to be picked up, but his contract may be extended as well. Though Walsh has made no noise about wanting the extension, he has expressed to confidants a strong desire to see the Knicks' rebuilding through after overcoming a series of health issues in recent months. After returning to Madison Square Garden recently after undergoing hip replacement surgery, Walsh has been described by friends as especially enthusiastic and strong-willed about completing the massive restoration project.

So while the addition of Warkentien, a shrewd negotiator with a reputation as a relentless scout, bodes well for a Walsh-driven front-office structure going forward, the natural question is as follows: What does this mean for the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony? On one hand, teaming Warkentien with Walsh on the Denver trade negotiations would make it a decidedly unfair fight -- combining Walsh's experience with Warkentien's direct knowledge of the Denver power structure and Stan Kroenke's tendencies and psychology when it comes to deal-making. Sources say that Warkentien long ago zeroed in on Kroenke's negotiating weakness in any Anthony trade: his obsessive pursuit of cost-cutting. As Warkentien learned in a negotiating class he recently took at Harvard, the best way to win a negotiation is to know what the opponent wants and where his weaknesses are.

But it is difficult to predict how Kroenke, who is still ultimately calling the shots behind the curtain while his son and Ujiri handle the day-to-day business, will respond to the Knicks' hiring of Warkentien. It is possible, according to one source who understands Denver's still complicated organization dynamics, that Kroenke would stubbornly recoil from any talks with the Knicks and refuse to give Anthony his wish -- or give Warkentien the satisfaction. Also possible, the source noted, is that Kroenke would redouble efforts to once again engage the Nets in trade talks as a far more palatable option than dealing with Warkentien. Another person with direct knowledge of the Nuggets' trade discussions has told CBSSports.com on multiple occasions recently that the Anthony talks have not evolved since the Nets dropped out last week. One reason may have been the Knicks' impending hiring of Warkentien, which sources say leaked to some members of Denver's basketball operations.

One way or another, it would appear that Warkentien will play a prominent role in the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony -- via a trade or as a free agent. Warkentien is believed to be on board with the notion that Anthony wouldn't lose nearly as much money as some pundits think if he were to play out the season and become a free agent under a new collective bargaining agreement. Estimates showing that Anthony would lose $40 million in such a scenario are nothing short of irresponsible.

Imagine the irony, though, if Warkentien ultimately winds up signing Anthony to a contract with the Knicks -- a contract he thought he'd be finalizing with the Nuggets last August. The plot, as they say, thickens.

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1/30/2011  11:50 PM
Walsh's contract has a team option that must be picked up by April 1. While the addition of Warkentien as a consultant is viewed by those close to the situation as a prelude to an expanded and more permanent role, sources also say that not only is Walsh's option expected to be picked up, but his contract may be extended as well. Though Walsh has made no noise about wanting the extension, he has expressed to confidants a strong desire to see the Knicks' rebuilding through after overcoming a series of health issues in recent months. After returning to Madison Square Garden recently after undergoing hip replacement surgery, Walsh has been described by friends as especially enthusiastic and strong-willed about completing the massive restoration project.

this is so good for Knicks' long-term health as an organization: having Donnie on board for the long term.

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1/31/2011  12:04 AM
Let's put it this way:

If Walsh doesn't get a contract extension and Isiah did then Dolan should be banned from the NBA.

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1/31/2011  12:06 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Let's put it this way:

If Walsh doesn't get a contract extension and Isiah did then Dolan should be banned from the NBA.

couldn't agree more.

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1/31/2011  12:11 AM
martin wrote:
But it is difficult to predict how Kroenke, who is still ultimately calling the shots behind the curtain while his son and Ujiri handle the day-to-day business, will respond to the Knicks' hiring of Warkentien. It is possible, according to one source who understands Denver's still complicated organization dynamics, that Kroenke would stubbornly recoil from any talks with the Knicks and refuse to give Anthony his wish -- or give Warkentien the satisfaction. Also possible, the source noted, is that Kroenke would redouble efforts to once again engage the Nets in trade talks as a far more palatable option than dealing with Warkentien. Another person with direct knowledge of the Nuggets' trade discussions has told CBSSports.com on multiple occasions recently that the Anthony talks have not evolved since the Nets dropped out last week. One reason may have been the Knicks' impending hiring of Warkentien, which sources say leaked to some members of Denver's basketball operations... .


... Imagine the irony, though, if Warkentien ultimately winds up signing Anthony to a contract with the Knicks -- a contract he thought he'd be finalizing with the Nuggets last August. The plot, as they say, thickens.

This is the most intriguing ramification of this potential signing, and seems plausible, IMO.

Other than this, Warkentien seems like a solid pick as a potential GM.

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1/31/2011  12:32 AM
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martin wrote:
But it is difficult to predict how Kroenke, who is still ultimately calling the shots behind the curtain while his son and Ujiri handle the day-to-day business, will respond to the Knicks' hiring of Warkentien. It is possible, according to one source who understands Denver's still complicated organization dynamics, that Kroenke would stubbornly recoil from any talks with the Knicks and refuse to give Anthony his wish -- or give Warkentien the satisfaction. Also possible, the source noted, is that Kroenke would redouble efforts to once again engage the Nets in trade talks as a far more palatable option than dealing with Warkentien. Another person with direct knowledge of the Nuggets' trade discussions has told CBSSports.com on multiple occasions recently that the Anthony talks have not evolved since the Nets dropped out last week. One reason may have been the Knicks' impending hiring of Warkentien, which sources say leaked to some members of Denver's basketball operations... .


... Imagine the irony, though, if Warkentien ultimately winds up signing Anthony to a contract with the Knicks -- a contract he thought he'd be finalizing with the Nuggets last August. The plot, as they say, thickens.

This is the most intriguing ramification of this potential signing, and seems plausible, IMO.

Other than this, Warkentien seems like a solid pick as a potential GM.

i think there's a good chance the DEN ownership will play the spite game & refuse to deal w/the Knicks out of principle too... i also think there's a good chance Melo is willing to just wait it out & tell the DEN ownership to get a good look at his ass on his way out this summer while they get nothing back in return if they choose to play the spite game that way.

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1/31/2011  12:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2011  12:42 AM
TMS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
martin wrote:
But it is difficult to predict how Kroenke, who is still ultimately calling the shots behind the curtain while his son and Ujiri handle the day-to-day business, will respond to the Knicks' hiring of Warkentien. It is possible, according to one source who understands Denver's still complicated organization dynamics, that Kroenke would stubbornly recoil from any talks with the Knicks and refuse to give Anthony his wish -- or give Warkentien the satisfaction. Also possible, the source noted, is that Kroenke would redouble efforts to once again engage the Nets in trade talks as a far more palatable option than dealing with Warkentien. Another person with direct knowledge of the Nuggets' trade discussions has told CBSSports.com on multiple occasions recently that the Anthony talks have not evolved since the Nets dropped out last week. One reason may have been the Knicks' impending hiring of Warkentien, which sources say leaked to some members of Denver's basketball operations... .


... Imagine the irony, though, if Warkentien ultimately winds up signing Anthony to a contract with the Knicks -- a contract he thought he'd be finalizing with the Nuggets last August. The plot, as they say, thickens.

This is the most intriguing ramification of this potential signing, and seems plausible, IMO.

Other than this, Warkentien seems like a solid pick as a potential GM.

i think there's a good chance the DEN ownership will play the spite game & refuse to deal w/the Knicks out of principle too... i also think there's a good chance Melo is willing to just wait it out & tell the DEN ownership to get a good look at his ass on his way out this summer while they get nothing back in return if they choose to play the spite game that way.

I think the latter scenario you mentioned is the how it will shake out

because what about who Melo trusts? If Kroenke is known as a nickel-and-dimer, and Wakentien had went to bat for Melo before, maybe this increases the chances Melo signs with the Knicks outright? If the knicks can offer (1) NY, (2) Amar'e, and (3) all of Denver's good management, then maybe Melo can get the best of both worlds

so maybe the Knicks don't get to negotiate out of spite. But maybe this is a move to entice Melo to wait for UFA

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1/31/2011  12:42 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
martin wrote:
But it is difficult to predict how Kroenke, who is still ultimately calling the shots behind the curtain while his son and Ujiri handle the day-to-day business, will respond to the Knicks' hiring of Warkentien. It is possible, according to one source who understands Denver's still complicated organization dynamics, that Kroenke would stubbornly recoil from any talks with the Knicks and refuse to give Anthony his wish -- or give Warkentien the satisfaction. Also possible, the source noted, is that Kroenke would redouble efforts to once again engage the Nets in trade talks as a far more palatable option than dealing with Warkentien. Another person with direct knowledge of the Nuggets' trade discussions has told CBSSports.com on multiple occasions recently that the Anthony talks have not evolved since the Nets dropped out last week. One reason may have been the Knicks' impending hiring of Warkentien, which sources say leaked to some members of Denver's basketball operations... .


... Imagine the irony, though, if Warkentien ultimately winds up signing Anthony to a contract with the Knicks -- a contract he thought he'd be finalizing with the Nuggets last August. The plot, as they say, thickens.

This is the most intriguing ramification of this potential signing, and seems plausible, IMO.

Other than this, Warkentien seems like a solid pick as a potential GM.

i think there's a good chance the DEN ownership will play the spite game & refuse to deal w/the Knicks out of principle too... i also think there's a good chance Melo is willing to just wait it out & tell the DEN ownership to get a good look at his ass on his way out this summer while they get nothing back in return if they choose to play the spite game that way.

but what about who Melo trusts? If Kroenke is known as a nickel-and-dimer, and Wakentien had went to bat for Melo before, maybe this increases the chances Melo signs with the Knicks outright? If the knicks can offer (1) NY, (2) Amar'e, and (3) all of Denver's good management, then maybe Melo can get the best of both worlds

so maybe the Knicks don't get to negotiate out of spite. But maybe this is a move to entice Melo to wait for UFA

i agree SC... i think this only helps our chances of landing Melo... i don't think DEN is any more likely to play the spite game now than they were before... they'd be screwing themselves by going that route.

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1/31/2011  1:17 AM
http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/31919952478863360

Melo on Knicks hiring former Den GM Mark Warkentien as consultant:"As far as I'm concerned that's a great addition to their organization."
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1/31/2011  1:23 AM
martin wrote:http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/31919952478863360

Melo on Knicks hiring former Den GM Mark Warkentien as consultant:"As far as I'm concerned that's a great addition to their organization."

it's all going according to plan

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1/31/2011  1:23 AM
martin wrote:http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/31919952478863360

Melo on Knicks hiring former Den GM Mark Warkentien as consultant:"As far as I'm concerned that's a great addition to their organization."

i liked that one and this one, too:

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
When told former Den GM Mark Warkentien is being hired as a Knicks consultant, Carmelo said: "You just caught me off guard with that one."
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1/31/2011  1:27 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/31919952478863360

Melo on Knicks hiring former Den GM Mark Warkentien as consultant:"As far as I'm concerned that's a great addition to their organization."

it's all going according to plan

oh damn, never saw that clip before, funny

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1/31/2011  1:28 AM
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