http://www.fromthebaseline.com/video-mixes/mixes/Shawne-Williams-Speaks-about-fight/0/174/1

I love the guy and would hate to lose him, but I support a long suspension of 20+ games.

There's no room in sports for street fights.

Think of the children. The children.

Markji wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Yea, it was started by Marvin. But that doesn't matter. You can't be getting into fights. Level headed after the fact means nothing. A man has to be level headed during the incident.

I love the guy and would hate to lose him, but I support a long suspension of 20+ games.

There's no room in sports for street fights.

Think of the children. The children.

You are out of your mind if you think a 20 game suspension is fair.
Marvin Williams should get 5 to 8 games. Shawne should get 1 to 2 games suspension.

You need to watch the replay again to see what happenned. Shawne had very little to do with the fight - mainly defended himself and then backed off and didn't go after Marvin even though MArvin Williams kept throwing punches and going after him. Also it looks like Marvin W hit Shawne at the other end of the court; then again in the back of the head which started the fight.

http://www.fromthebaseline.com/home-mainmenu-1/blogs/3420-shawne-williams-vs-marvin-williams-fight-video

I don't think the details matter. He pushed him, this guy shoved this guy, etc.,. The relevant fact here is that punches were thrown. You can't throw punches, you just can't throw punches. Remember Kermit and Rudy?

If these guys want to fight, they're in the wrong sport. MMA and boxing, all these sports are there if you want to fight.

When you step on a hoops court, you put the ball through the hoop, you drop the buckets.

Think of the children, man.

Markji wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Yea, it was started by Marvin. But that doesn't matter. You can't be getting into fights. Level headed after the fact means nothing. A man has to be level headed during the incident.

I love the guy and would hate to lose him, but I support a long suspension of 20+ games.

There's no room in sports for street fights.

Think of the children. The children.

You are out of your mind if you think a 20 game suspension is fair.
Marvin Williams should get 5 to 8 games. Shawne should get 1 to 2 games suspension.

You need to watch the replay again to see what happenned. Shawne had very little to do with the fight - mainly defended himself and then backed off and didn't go after Marvin even though MArvin Williams kept throwing punches and going after him. Also it looks like Marvin W hit Shawne at the other end of the court; then again in the back of the head which started the fight.

http://www.fromthebaseline.com/home-mainmenu-1/blogs/3420-shawne-williams-vs-marvin-williams-fight-video

Papabear Says

Oh Yea tell that to hockey.

KNICKSdom wrote:I don't care what the NBA does to Shawne, it is about time a Knicks player lay down the smackdown and show the rest of the NBA the Knicks are back and will not be the same pansies of the last 10 years. Whatever suspension Shawne get, I forgive him and awaits his return.

i'm glad he stood up for himself too... too long teams have been taking their shots at the Knicks thinking they'd just lay down w/o a whimper... Shawne Williams will never be mistaken for some tough guy but at least people know he's no punk either... we could really use an enforcer on this team like Oakley used to be... Reggie Evans would be a good fit for that role... if there's a MLE this summer i'd be more than happy to use it on him.

simrud wrote:Children? Haha, of cousre, if you make a ridiculous demand for punishment it must be for the children.

+1

orangeblobman wrote:Yea, it was started by Marvin. But that doesn't matter. You can't be getting into fights. Level headed after the fact means nothing. A man has to be level headed during the incident.

I love the guy and would hate to lose him, but I support a long suspension of 20+ games.

There's no room in sports for street fights.

Think of the children. The children.

20 games for defending himself? Was he supposed to run? I thought he handled it the way a man should. Blob you're outta your mind if you expect a person to be level headed during a fight. Have you ever been in a fight before? You sound like Skip Bayless right now....Stop it

orangeblobman wrote:
Everyone always brings up hockey. It's not the same, it's apples and oranges.

Hockey fights are a part of the culture of that sport.

When a fight occurs in hockey, it is under strictly defined conditions, it's guided by a mutual respect of the tradition and it doesn't go outside those boundaries.

A fight in basketball is not subject to similar constraints. It's a free-for-all where you just don't know what will happen.

This is the most crazy justification for immoral & borderline illegal behavior i've ever seen. Also, it ignores 800lb gorilla in the conversation which is "race". The NHL allows fighting & everybody is cool with it because America at large doesnt see two white guys fighting as dangerous ("Oh theyre just blowing off steam...it's part of the culture/tradition of the game...it's real men being real men...blah, blah, blah") but however let two African American athletes engage in a pushing match & it's cause for total alarm ("The Malice at the Palace...Help, Help "they're" running wild...It's a free-for-all where you just don't know what will happen.")

I find your argument ludicrous & offensive & if you don't like it we can drop the gloves & settle it on the ice

...And once the punch was thrown by Marvin, Shawne had to respond. Shawne did the right thing, IMO, when he stepped up to him after the strong push in the back. He said something, but did not initiate any physical contact, from what I could see. He did what had to be done, and you know that in the eyes of the rest of the team his status has increased.

KNICKSdom wrote:I don't care what the NBA does to Shawne, it is about time a Knicks player lay down the smackdown and show the rest of the NBA the Knicks are back and will not be the same pansies of the last 10 years. Whatever suspension Shawne get, I forgive him and awaits his return.

Couldn't agree more it's about time someone scuffled a bit on this team. It's one thing to lose like we've been doing the past ten years but we've also been soft and let people push us around. That was one of the biggest problems I had with Lee in the past. I'll gladly trade one game from Williams so we can establish a tough mentality.