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Why Does No One Talk About 2012 Free Agency?
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Bonn1997
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1/20/2011  4:33 PM
Is an extra year of Carmelo and Amare together better than waiting a year and pursuing Paul, Howard, or Williams? I don't see how a Amare/Melo combo or our current team with M. Gasol or another 2011 FA is going to compete with Miami, LA, SA or other elite teams. I realize that to have 2012 cap space you'd have to trade Wilson for picks and/or players on rookie contracts and would be willing to do that.
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1/20/2011  4:40 PM
I think CP3 or Deron William are still going to be in play for us down the line even if we get Melo. What you have to ask yourself is are you willing to take the risk of not acquiring a superstar (yes, Melo is a superstar) when you have a real shot. Waiting for 2012 doesn't change our PG situation right now. Felton is here until then, which is a good thing. So the question is, what's a better duo? STAT/Melo or STAT/Howard? I think either way you're golden, but I don't think you can risk losing Melo if you can get him and deal with the chances a guy like Howard won't want to come here later.
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1/20/2011  4:47 PM
I agree we need to go for Melo now. But Stat/DH is a MUCH better duo than Stat/Melo, particularly if we can keep Ill Wil.
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1/20/2011  4:49 PM
because its very complicated. You have Gallo/Chandler potentially getting paid. You have Felton's option. You have two years of trying to improve the team which is pretty good and has a lot of young pieces that will get better.
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1/20/2011  5:23 PM
Cuz thats a year away and Melo wants to be on the knicks and is available now. Theres no telling if Howard wants to be here and right now
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1/20/2011  5:24 PM
MSG3 wrote:I think CP3 or Deron William are still going to be in play for us down the line even if we get Melo. What you have to ask yourself is are you willing to take the risk of not acquiring a superstar (yes, Melo is a superstar) when you have a real shot. Waiting for 2012 doesn't change our PG situation right now. Felton is here until then, which is a good thing. So the question is, what's a better duo? STAT/Melo or STAT/Howard? I think either way you're golden, but I don't think you can risk losing Melo if you can get him and deal with the chances a guy like Howard won't want to come here later.

they will be in play even more so with Melo, imo. Because then we are looking at being championship caliber, even with me as backup pg and Marv at the 5. lol.

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1/20/2011  5:56 PM
Because I don't feel like going through another 'waiting for 2010' scenario.
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1/20/2011  6:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2011  6:34 PM

MSG3 wrote:I think CP3 or Deron William are still going to be in play for us down the line even if we get Melo.

I can't see how we would be able to pull that off. I think it's much more likely to be Melo OR the chance to get Dwight, Chris, Deron.
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1/20/2011  6:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2011  6:45 PM
The real question shouldn't be what will make us better next year but what is going to give us the best shot at having the best out of all 30 teams in the league. I think it's a legit debate but it seems like no one wants to look that far ahead.
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1/21/2011  9:20 AM
Melo has publicly expressed his interest in NY. What other future FA's have? Possibly CP3? There's only so much patience one can have. And only so much you can gamble.
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1/21/2011  9:46 AM
It is also one big lockout and new CBA away... The entare rules of the game will change so why bother...
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1/21/2011  9:50 AM
tj23 wrote:Melo has publicly expressed his interest in NY. What other future FA's have? Possibly CP3? There's only so much patience one can have. And only so much you can gamble.

Exactly. I mean if you have a chance to get Melo now it's an irresponsible risk not to. No one knows what Paul wants. No one knows what Deron wants. No one knows what Howard wants. But Felton, Melo, STAT and whoever is left is a top 5 team in this league over night. If this deal happens this is the heirachy of the NBA:

Celtics
Heat
Orlando
Lakers
Knicks
Spurs
Mavs
Bulls
Atlanta
Utah

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1/21/2011  9:59 AM
I know some people feel different but with all the losing I've experienced with my teams, I'll take being a top 5 team year in and year out even if it means never winning a championship with that group. At least most of you either have the Yankees, Giants, or Jets.
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1/21/2011  10:01 AM
tj23 wrote:Melo has publicly expressed his interest in NY. What other future FA's have? Possibly CP3? There's only so much patience one can have. And only so much you can gamble.

What's better? A 100% chance of having Amare and Carmelo or a 10% chance of having Amare and Dwight Howard (or CP3/Deron)? If the goal is to put together a serious title contender, I have trouble believing in the first choice. The Amare/Carmelo combo is gonna make is capped out, without much youth or many draft picks, and still not as good a 1-2 combo as the Heat or Lakers (and I'd argue some other teams too). If you don't have as good a 1-2 combo as other teams and don't have as much depth as them, what advantage do you have?

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1/21/2011  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2011  10:03 AM
tj23 wrote:I know some people feel different but with all the losing I've experienced with my teams, I'll take being a top 5 team year in and year out even if it means never winning a championship with that group. At least most of you either have the Yankees, Giants, or Jets.

Now that's another story. If that's all we're aiming for, and I can definitely understand what you're saying, then getting one of the 2012 FAs is a lower priority. Are you sure you'd feel that way once we're in that situation, though? Is that how you felt during the Ewing era?
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1/21/2011  10:06 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
tj23 wrote:Melo has publicly expressed his interest in NY. What other future FA's have? Possibly CP3? There's only so much patience one can have. And only so much you can gamble.

What's better? A 100% chance of having Amare and Carmelo or a 10% chance of having Amare and Dwight Howard (or CP3/Deron)? If the goal is to put together a serious title contender, I have trouble believing in the first choice. The Amare/Carmelo combo is gonna make is capped out, without much youth or many draft picks, and still not as good a 1-2 combo as the Heat or Lakers (and I'd argue some other teams too). If you don't have as good a 1-2 combo as other teams and don't have as much depth as them, what advantage do you have?


Well thats the dilemma. I understand your point of view. But like I said I will live with being a notch below elite if its guaranteed to put us deep in the playoffs every year, and with the off chance that we hit on a draft pick or something. Besides, we can let some players expire along with felton and make a run at another free agent anyway, no? If the CBA lowers the cap it should also lower player salaries, and should even out.
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1/21/2011  10:09 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
tj23 wrote:I know some people feel different but with all the losing I've experienced with my teams, I'll take being a top 5 team year in and year out even if it means never winning a championship with that group. At least most of you either have the Yankees, Giants, or Jets.

Now that's another story. If that's all we're aiming for, and I can definitely understand what you're saying, then getting one of the 2012 FAs is a lower priority. Are you sure you'd feel that way once we're in that situation, though? Is that how you felt during the Ewing era?

I'm a young fan. i hardly ever saw Ewing play. So I cant say i feel your pain. Ive thought about that scenario plenty of times. And yeah i cant pass up carmelo. not on the chance we get someone else.
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1/21/2011  10:11 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
tj23 wrote:Melo has publicly expressed his interest in NY. What other future FA's have? Possibly CP3? There's only so much patience one can have. And only so much you can gamble.

What's better? A 100% chance of having Amare and Carmelo or a 10% chance of having Amare and Dwight Howard (or CP3/Deron)? If the goal is to put together a serious title contender, I have trouble believing in the first choice. The Amare/Carmelo combo is gonna make is capped out, without much youth or many draft picks, and still not as good a 1-2 combo as the Heat or Lakers (and I'd argue some other teams too). If you don't have as good a 1-2 combo as other teams and don't have as much depth as them, what advantage do you have?

I disagree because you have to consider how well Amar'e is going to be playing after 2012. Right now it's pretty clear he's going to be playing at this level for another 2 seasons after this one (unless God forbig he gets injured). You have a window of about 2-3 season to make a serious run with him as a focal point of the offense. If you wait for that 10% chance to come through and it actually happens, then you have a much shorter window to exploit Amar'e's full talents.

Also, the only 1-2 punch in the league that could compete with Melo/Amar'e is James/Wade. Name another that is better. Not Kobe/Gasol, Rose/Boozer, Duncan/Parker/Ginobli, Dirk/Kidd/Terry.....Rondo/Pierce/Allen/KG are the only other ones if they stay healthy.

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1/21/2011  10:12 AM
Bonn, can you lay it out for us? Which players do we let walk, how much salary do we add to replace them, and what assets/advantage do we have left for the probable re-sign and trade required for CP3 or Howard?
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1/21/2011  10:18 AM
Dwight Howard is the player that helps you win a championship
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