The season is halfway thru. To all you spree haters who said that he was finish. Can you tell us who's been the better player so far....cause we sure as hell could use him at the 2 or 3 spot right about now.

if KVH had kept that hot streak going i would've said him but now I'm gonna say spree since he's on a good team.

like John Fox said Stats are for losers.

the only Stat is winning and losing.

Sprewell has took wally's spot, and casell took hudson's spots and what do you have in minnesotta?? a Team with the best record in basketball.

Horn took spree's spots, what do you have? a Team worse we have seen since pre Ewing, at least before isiah and steph came to the rescue.

Van Horn had Two hot weeks, spreewell has played well all year and was named player of the week once.

I know Van horn lover was going to fall for the okey doke when he got hot, what many fail to realize was most of his shots were from the perimeter, and that once he would cool off he was going to have 5 pt games.

Van Horn actually plays into the defense hands he is 6-10 with shooting abilty but never goes in the post.

Spreewell in a no brainer. you have to be bias to think other wise/

another reason why the stats posted are menainless, van horn plays on a horrible team with much more opportunities. how many Re's is spree going to snatch with Kg around.


All you have to know is people were jumping on Kenyon martins behind for criticizing Van horn the year before and then stinking it up against probably the best player in the world.

BUT, van horn stunk it up with Robert Horry on him Not duncan, and the same year duncan got the best of kmart, van horn help philly to a early departure by recording a 1 pt one rebound game. ala Patrick ewing against rik Smits.

Spree would definitely help our team right now a lot more than Van Horn. We probably would've won the last 2 games if we had Spree because we needed someone to step up offensively and Spree definitely would've done that. Spree can carry a team when he has too, Van Horn on the other hand can't. I remember in Game 5 of the 1999 NBA Finals when no one on our team was scoring except for Sprewell, he kept us in it throughout the whole game and we almost won the game if it wasn't for Avery Johnson hitting that big shot with a minute left. If we had Spree right now I could honestly say that we would be contenders to win the East. Oh well, whats done is done. We have to find a way to upgrade the roster we have now.

Posted by s3231:

Spree would definitely help our team right now a lot more than Van Horn. We probably would've won the last 2 games if we had Spree because we needed someone to step up offensively and Spree definitely would've done that. Spree can carry a team when he has too, Van Horn on the other hand can't. I remember in Game 5 of the 1999 NBA Finals when no one on our team was scoring except for Sprewell, he kept us in it throughout the whole game and we almost won the game if it wasn't for Avery Johnson hitting that big shot with a minute left. If we had Spree right now I could honestly say that we would be contenders to win the East. Oh well, whats done is done. We have to find a way to upgrade the roster we have now.

You have got to be kidding. You think that the Spreewell over KVH takes the Knicks from eight seed to to one of the best?

Does anyone realize that Spreewell gets wide open shots in Minny becuase Garnett always gets doubles and since Cassel is the best guard in the west Sprewell becomes a third option.

One things for sure. Spree hasn't been injured this yr, playing every game and mostly @ the small forward position.

As for KVH, He missed games due to the ankle injury and he might be missing games presently due to the shoulder injury he sustained against the Spurs.

word.

jeez, why are we still talking about this?

and to all the kvh haters out there, i have to ask you this:

why is it that everyone dogs kvh but a player like penny gets a free pass? i don't get it. penny is a 6th man and is nowhere near as good a player that van horn is. AND he gets paid the same. so why does someone like penny get a pass yet kvh is constantly dogged for his shortcomings?

and penny has said he's 100% healthy and in the best shape of his career while kvh has been playing with nagging injuries. and straining a shoulder is not an injury that's to be dismissed so quickly. i don't understand the double standard.

just b/c penny's is a "throw in", his lack of production is ok but b/c kvh has these unfair expectations on him, his "softness" is not ok. i don't agree with it. and i think salary has a lot to do with fans constantly dogging him. if kvh got $7 mil/year, he won't get dogged nearly as much as he is, in fact, people would be appreciating him. now penny gets $13 mil also, yet nobody says a thing about him. so if you're going to dog kvh, let's dog penny as well.

you can like kvh or can hate him, but let's be fair about it as well - penny is worse, so let's hear some penny hate as well.

My take when the trade was made was if we were going to contend this year I would rather have Spree but that Van Horn was younger and would still be able to contribute as a 3rd or 4th option on a contending team 3 or 4 years down the line. So I didn't mind the trade. Spree is playing better then I expected - I'm not convinced he would have done that here. Spree is the better player - but I like him better at the 2 then the 3 and he is older and inspite of the great year he's having he is not as good as he once was.

For those who knock Van Horn for not going inside I invite you to visit 82games.com. They keep track of where players take shots and do their scoring. You'll see that Spree is much more of a jump shooter then Van Horn.

Van Horn:
Jump Shots 65%
Close 30%
Dunk 4%
Tips 1%

Spree:
Jump 82%
Close 15%
Dunk 2%
Tips 1%

I've asked them what they consider close - I believe the answer was 6-8 ft.(Can't find the email).