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BRIGGS
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1/19/2011  1:48 PM
They will have trouble in coming years trying to build out the infrastructure of the team. I like our young guys. We need quality depth at 5-4-1 before any decision can be made about 22 year old kids who are playing very good basketball and are 3-4 years from their prime.
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1/19/2011  2:41 PM
This is what I am talking about. Gutting our team for Melo is just not worth it. It is a long season and you lose one and you are in trouble.
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1/19/2011  2:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  2:42 PM
The flip side is we are very thin up top. What happens if Felton or Amar'e goes down from over-usage?
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1/19/2011  2:43 PM
They have won 1 game since the karma comments
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1/19/2011  2:45 PM
knicks1248 wrote:They have won 1 game since the karma comments

I thought they lost four straight. Eh either way it looks like LeBron was right about the whole Karma thing.

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1/19/2011  3:00 PM
Small sample set. Boston set the tone. They ran w/ a short bench and won a championship. Since then, the bench has filled out. Miami filled in a much better bench than this, but we could easily lose our Big 1 player and be in a tight spot. You take Amare off this team and it is far worse than last year. I think if you can obtain a 2nd elite player you wonder about the cost, but you make a deal happen. If you are certain that he will take less in the offseason to come here, you need to try and get draft picks for the guys who will have cap holds this offseason. Otherwise, you can make the trades now and hopefully have room to use salary cap exceptions this summer.
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1/19/2011  3:21 PM
So sick of posters taking a small sample size and extrapolating it into anything further. Yes, teams need depth. But let's not conveniently forget that Miami had the best record in the East just a week ago before LeBron got injured, and they achieved that record without Miller or Haslem for the most part -- their two most significant role players.

Every "expert/critic" claimed Boston had no depth when they made the KG and Allen trades, and what do you know...they win the championship their first year together.
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1/19/2011  3:24 PM
Mia is an anomaly.. they have two of the games top 5 players. They have one of the game's top 20 in Bosh. My prediction all along was they would not go to the finals because they could not beat a BIG team. I think its a 2-3 year process to fill out that roster but they can certainly do it.

That being said I think the Knicks need the exact same time frame and with Walsh doing what Walsh does the Knicks will be competing for a title.

In 2 years Amare will be 30 and Felton will be 28. Chandler, Gallo and Fields will all be 25ish. I fully expect in 2-3 years for Mosgov, AR, Douglas, Williams, Jordan, Rautins... one of these guys will be a solid rotation guy. Walsh has shown an excellent ability to draft guys that fit as good rotation guys. Douglas hasnt been healthy but when he was he got off to a great start. Fields has been a revelation.

Walsh knows how to build a team and understands the importance of role and balance. Look at that 2nd Indy team he built w/o a single lottery pick. Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, Artest, Reggie, Tinsley, Bender, Harrington... if Bender is healthy and Artest doesnt pound people in Detroit thats an elite team for a good 4-5 year run.

Knicks are in the start of a good run.
Years 1-2 dump Isiah's mess. Check
Year 3 upgrade talent and fill roster with good youth around a couple of studly FAs. Check
Years 4-6 let the soup cook, add some spice and lets make some deep runs into the playoffs and compete for a title...???

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1/19/2011  3:30 PM
I heard the same stuff about Boston when they teamed up and they have been to the finals multiple times.
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1/19/2011  3:39 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I heard the same stuff about Boston when they teamed up and they have been to the finals multiple times.

Must have been in ultimateceltics.com cause I don't remember anybody saying that around these parts. Boston still had a very good bench when they aqcuired KG and Jesus Shuttleworth. If anything, people were questioning that Ray has nothing left in his tank.
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1/19/2011  3:45 PM
scoshin wrote:So sick of posters taking a small sample size and extrapolating it into anything further. Yes, teams need depth. But let's not conveniently forget that Miami had the best record in the East just a week ago before LeBron got injured, and they achieved that record without Miller or Haslem for the most part -- their two most significant role players.

Every "expert/critic" claimed Boston had no depth when they made the KG and Allen trades, and what do you know...they win the championship their first year together.

co-sign to the fullest.

we ain't competing with miami without another big star or some unexpected leap in performance by someone else to superstar levels, and some other really good moves.

miami's losing streak is far too small of a size to indicate what "happens"...just like was the way they started the year...

meanwhile they are still one of the top teams in the east and should be able to improve their roster weaknesses over the next few seasons...while still competing for a title.

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1/19/2011  4:03 PM
joec32033 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:They have won 1 game since the karma comments

I thought they lost four straight. Eh either way it looks like LeBron was right about the whole Karma thing.

Think your right

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1/19/2011  4:07 PM
fishmike wrote:Mia is an anomaly.. they have two of the games top 5 players. They have one of the game's top 20 in Bosh. My prediction all along was they would not go to the finals because they could not beat a BIG team. I think its a 2-3 year process to fill out that roster but they can certainly do it.

That being said I think the Knicks need the exact same time frame and with Walsh doing what Walsh does the Knicks will be competing for a title.

In 2 years Amare will be 30 and Felton will be 28. Chandler, Gallo and Fields will all be 25ish. I fully expect in 2-3 years for Mosgov, AR, Douglas, Williams, Jordan, Rautins... one of these guys will be a solid rotation guy. Walsh has shown an excellent ability to draft guys that fit as good rotation guys. Douglas hasnt been healthy but when he was he got off to a great start. Fields has been a revelation.

Walsh knows how to build a team and understands the importance of role and balance. Look at that 2nd Indy team he built w/o a single lottery pick. Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, Artest, Reggie, Tinsley, Bender, Harrington... if Bender is healthy and Artest doesnt pound people in Detroit thats an elite team for a good 4-5 year run.

Knicks are in the start of a good run.
Years 1-2 dump Isiah's mess. Check
Year 3 upgrade talent and fill roster with good youth around a couple of studly FAs. Check
Years 4-6 let the soup cook, add some spice and lets make some deep runs into the playoffs and compete for a title...???

Even if we don't get mel, you think this core will stay intact ??

There's usually a 4 year window, I'm not just going to totally disreguard the last 2 seasons as if they didn't exsist.

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1/19/2011  4:13 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I heard the same stuff about Boston when they teamed up and they have been to the finals multiple times.

Only those who lacked intelligence would say this or who were bitter. The depth of the two teams are totally different. The Celtics had Rondo/Perk/Baby/Tony Allen/Scal to add to Allen/Pierce/Ray explain how the Heat have comparable depth?
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1/19/2011  4:15 PM
Yet Miami is far more likely to win a ring before we are as of right now. And adding Jason Thompson doesn't close that gap.
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1/19/2011  4:31 PM
Juice wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I heard the same stuff about Boston when they teamed up and they have been to the finals multiple times.

Only those who lacked intelligence would say this or who were bitter. The depth of the two teams are totally different. The Celtics had Rondo/Perk/Baby/Tony Allen/Scal to add to Allen/Pierce/Ray explain how the Heat have comparable depth?

Don't forget Posey from a coupl years ago.

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1/19/2011  6:15 PM
PresIke wrote:
scoshin wrote:So sick of posters taking a small sample size and extrapolating it into anything further. Yes, teams need depth. But let's not conveniently forget that Miami had the best record in the East just a week ago before LeBron got injured, and they achieved that record without Miller or Haslem for the most part -- their two most significant role players.

Every "expert/critic" claimed Boston had no depth when they made the KG and Allen trades, and what do you know...they win the championship their first year together.

co-sign to the fullest.

we ain't competing with miami without another big star or some unexpected leap in performance by someone else to superstar levels, and some other really good moves.

miami's losing streak is far too small of a size to indicate what "happens"...just like was the way they started the year...

meanwhile they are still one of the top teams in the east and should be able to improve their roster weaknesses over the next few seasons...while still competing for a title.

i'm with you both... Miami's recent struggles is a blip on the radar for that team... they are struggling with some injuries to their top stars but they've already shown their quality in winning 20 of 21 game stretch before... our team is not gonna beat them in a playoff series w/o another high impact star player.

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1/19/2011  6:17 PM
I'd gladly trade our roster for theirs
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1/19/2011  6:17 PM
Has Walsh ever won a title?
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1/19/2011  6:22 PM
Juice wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I heard the same stuff about Boston when they teamed up and they have been to the finals multiple times.

Only those who lacked intelligence would say this or who were bitter. The depth of the two teams are totally different. The Celtics had Rondo/Perk/Baby/Tony Allen/Scal to add to Allen/Pierce/Ray explain how the Heat have comparable depth?

Stop it man. Rondo from many years ago was not as good as the current Rondo and that goes for Big Baby too.

Garnett, Pierce, and Allen were ALREADY old when they teamed up. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are in their mid 20's. Plus Lebron, Wade, and Bosh is better than Garnett, Pierce, and Allen.

When Miami is in the finals this year dudes will be changing their tune just like when Boston won their championship.

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