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How about a basic cash deal for Dalembart
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BRIGGS
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1/19/2011  11:00 AM
Curry 11.2 for Dalembart 12.2 +1mm in cash and a second rounder I think we could stick him into the starting line up move Gallo to 6th man and go for another cheap upgrade at the deadline to help Felton. I really think this team would benefit from a guy like Dalembart
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1/19/2011  11:01 AM
I don't like that guy.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
BRIGGS
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1/19/2011  11:04 AM
orangeblobman wrote:I don't like that guy.

He might not like you:) but he can run rebound help clog the defensive lane and make some easy shot--were not getting a reliable sustained effort from turiaf and I dont think we will + I think Dalemabrt is a step up from Turiaf

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1/19/2011  11:04 AM
If Melo is off the board, i'm in. I proposed a trade like this about 2 weeks ago.
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1/19/2011  11:07 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:I don't like that guy.

He might not like you:) but he can run rebound help clog the defensive lane and make some easy shot--were not getting a reliable sustained effort from turiaf and I dont think we will + I think Dalemabrt is a step up from Turiaf

He probably wouldn't like me. I don't know, his consistent drop off in performance over the last few years is alarming to me, doesn't seem like a guy that works hard enough, doesn't have the Winning Brain. Red flags all over this fella.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/19/2011  11:15 AM
please, dalembart....

Im sorry, last time I check, Sac was one of the worse defensive teams in the league, and have the worse record.

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1/19/2011  11:17 AM
Last game I watched Dalembert play he looked pretty good and was altering shots but I haven't been keeping up on what kind of a season he's having.
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1/19/2011  11:18 AM
knicks1248 wrote:please, dalembart....

Im sorry, last time I check, Sac was one of the worse defensive teams in the league, and have the worse record.

He'd be good here--hed help us and its a non asset deal. I can rely on Turiaf play 1 game miss 2 etc.. plus Dalembart is a much better rebounder and can score more.

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1/19/2011  11:22 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/567726-new-york-knicks-need-a-big-is-sacramentos-sam-dalembert-their-man

NBA News: New York Knicks Need a Big, Is Sacramento's Sam Dalembert Their Man?

Amidst the Carmelo Anthony hoopla keen observers of the New York Knicks if not the leagues historical past are aware that while the team looks pretty good heading into tonight's match up with the World Champion Lakers they'll need some length and added toughness up front to compete with the big boys come April.

While bringing in Anthony would be outstanding, (besides his ability to put the ball in the hoop he adds about eight rebounds per game), if adding the Denver superstar means sacrificing some combination of Landry Fields, Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, two of the three, then realistically speaking how much better can 'Melo actually make the New Yorkers over the balance of the 2010/2011 season?

On the other hand, a move to supplement the teams strength at center, something that might cost the Knicks a player they won't really miss, (namely Anthony Randolph, or even the combination of Randolph, Kalenna Azubuike, even an expiring contract), can't help but be a real and immediate upgrade to the roster as it is presently configured.

Thus far the teams defensive middle has been exclusively manned by the combination of Amare Stoudemire and Ronnie Turiaf, while the big Russian rookie Timofey Mozgev has been a complete washout on either side of the court.

Knick fans had a pretty good idea of what they were getting in Stoudemire, but I don't think too many realized what the team was getting in the Frenchman Turiaf.

At 6-9 he has a natural instinct for shot blocking, (1.3 per game in 18 minutes), great hands around the basket and has really surprised everyone with his ability to finish so smoothly inside.

He's got bad knees though, has already had to sit some thus far in the early season, (coinciding with a terrible stretch for the team which was reversed upon his return), and while it doesn't appear to be a real noose around his or the teams neck, realistically speaking Turiaf is best suited to fifteen or twenty very productive front court minutes a night coming off the teams pine.

Of course Mike D'Antoni can manage that contributory notion quite well right now as a healthy Gallinari, Chandler, Fields, Felton and A.S. are getting the large majority of the court time anyway. Throw in a back up point Toney Douglas and welcome sharpshooter Shawne Williams and there are only so many minutes to divide amongst this eight much less another added part, requisite or otherwise.

But that doesn't mean the Knicks will be able to just run up and down the court and win with their current style of play come post season time.

Endlessly we've seen even the greatest examples of high paced Showtime become relegated to the half court game with all the playoff marbles on the line. The contests become endlessly fierce down low, physical, each possession a major mission onto itself and in this low block or paint area New York would benefit greatly from a player with Dalembert's skill set. An occasional breather for Stoudemire on the defensive end?


A shot blocker, good rebounder, not a hefty guy, but a player that makes his presence known in the defensive middle.

Thus far in 2011 big Sam is struggling in Sacramento. The Kings traded a couple of parts away for him and expected more than the 20 minutes or so per evening Dalembert has been allotted thus far by coach Paul Westphal.

For their 13 million, a horrible Kings team needed much more, maybe more than Dalembert has to offer even under the best of circumstances. He's never going to be a player who will blossom into an offensive star. He's mobile for a big man, can score off the break, off put backs, but he certainly isn't capable of being the focus of a half court set.

And that would suit the Knicks just fine. Dalembert would be brought in almost exclusively for his defensive instinct, allowing Amare to take the occasional play off on the defenders side of the court where he's been forced into the role of shot blocking focal point when Turiaf is sitting on the bench.

What's even better about Sam Dalembert is he's in the final year of his contract. The Knicks would be on the hook for not a spanking new penny next year if they chose not to bring him back.

Other teams will of course know this as well and Dalembert won't come without a price tag. Maybe young Anthony Randolph would be worth accepting from the Kings point of view. He hasn't performed for the Knicks in limited opportunities but given some real playing time in Sacramento the 22 year old might just pick his game up and go on to realize the athletic upside that had the Knicks so interested in him to begin with.

However it's accomplished, a player of Dalembert's mettle will be needed if, (and we realize it's still a very big if), and when it comes time to square off against the likes of a Boston or Miami in the playoffs.

Come the stretch run or playoff time a team get never be too deep up front. The Knicks have all the scorers they can handle, but they could sure use a seven footer who can do more than just take up space, but impose himself on the opposition even if it's strictly in a rebounding, shot blocking, put back type of role.

That's the NBA my friends. For now Dalembert's out there, whether or not the Knicks can, or are even interested in reeling him in remains to be seen.

And with that we bid you good night from the Garden,

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1/19/2011  11:23 AM
Sam Dalembert was a beast against Amar'e Stoudemire last week. If the MLE still exists in the next cba, he'd be my target.
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1/19/2011  11:32 AM
dalembert would be good for our bench and can start against the bigger lineups.
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1/19/2011  11:34 AM
definitely wouldn't mind going this route briggs - i think dalemebert would be able to help us and maybe playing in an uptempo system will give rejuvenate him. i seem to remember dalembert playing well in a similar type offense a few years ago with the sixers also.

the only question i have is: what incentive do the kings have to make this deal, his deal as an expiring seems far more valuable than curry's. maybe the money thrown in and the second rounder will help entice the kings into doing the deal.

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1/19/2011  11:39 AM
Dalembert would be great in this rotation for 24-28 minutes a game. With the exception of this season, he has been extremely effective and durable as a starting center in this league. We can start a traditional lineup for half the game and play small ball half the game. It is the perfect balance.
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1/19/2011  11:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  11:44 AM
Knixkik wrote:Dalembert would be great in this rotation for 24-28 minutes a game. With the exception of this season, he has been extremely effective and durable as a starting center in this league. We can start a traditional lineup for half the game and play small ball half the game. It is the perfect balance.

I think we score points. What we dont have is balance at the 5 and 1 positions+ with TD hurt so much we dont really have too many players who take their guys off the dribble. If we can add a C like dalmbart and maybe another combo G who can penetrate and play tight D--I think we balance out the tam for this year--we must see the team with a legit 5 and more quality depth at 1/2 I don't think we need to do massive deals right now.

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1/19/2011  12:02 PM
IF Melo signs a rental deal with some team (Houston?) or an extension with the Nyets before the deadline, I think a deal for Sammy D. would/should be imminent. He will help fill our primary need (defense) without having to give up anything we need. He's an expiring which gives us all the flexibility we will need this summer to sign Melo. If there's still an MLE in the next CBA, he would likely be interested and will already have experience in MDA's system.

If we go this route (i.e., Melo could only come as a FA), we might also try to trade Wilson for the rights to Rubio to play backup PG. We won't be able to retain Wilson due to his RFA status, so we may as well get something for him, and we need a rookie PG to backup Ray Ray.

Great plan B, BRIGGS. But only if we can't trade for Melo this season.

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1/19/2011  12:07 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=991

I have a problem with so call defenders playing on very bad defensive teams. His #s have drop of considerably as the season progress. You would think that as bad as sac is defensively, he would have some sort of impact, but he doesn't in the worse way.

The only player you give up for him is Curry and maybe andy/mason, and they will have to throw in there 2nd rndr...
NO WAY IN HELL I'M ADDING AR to any trade unless there giving up a future 1st rnd pick.

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1/19/2011  12:08 PM
Sammy is a great fit from a basketball perspective. He doesnt look for his own offense much, and he's a great garbage player. He's one of the best shot blockers in the league. He's shown to be a dominant rebounder as well. He's not a high BB IQ player, and he can be a bit of a sourpuss, but as far as I have seen he shows up in shape every year and usually plays hard. He's been on some very bad losing teams in recent years and that would take its toll on anyone.

This is a low risk, homerun potential trade for us. He's not a great m2m defender, but he's a great shot blocker and a glass cleaner. There is ZERO downside to this. If he sucks you lose nothing. If he's good or a nice fit we have his bird rights.

I've mentioned him before as a FA possibility. This would give us a nice test run with him. I'm in

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1/19/2011  12:14 PM
dalembert is too much of a non-offensive factor for this team, and costs too much.
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1/19/2011  12:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  12:17 PM
fishmike wrote:Sammy is a great fit from a basketball perspective. He doesnt look for his own offense much, and he's a great garbage player. He's one of the best shot blockers in the league. He's shown to be a dominant rebounder as well. He's not a high BB IQ player, and he can be a bit of a sourpuss, but as far as I have seen he shows up in shape every year and usually plays hard. He's been on some very bad losing teams in recent years and that would take its toll on anyone.

This is a low risk, homerun potential trade for us. He's not a great m2m defender, but he's a great shot blocker and a glass cleaner. There is ZERO downside to this. If he sucks you lose nothing. If he's good or a nice fit we have his bird rights.

I've mentioned him before as a FA possibility. This would give us a nice test run with him. I'm in

So losing just follows him uh...Is this like some unfortunate fate of his. Your absolute right about his IQ, it's well below AVG.

The only way you lose nothing, is if you give up nothing, you think SAC is going to swap Good for nothing eddy for good for a little sam

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1/19/2011  12:18 PM
PresIke wrote:dalembert is too much of a non-offensive factor for this team, and costs too much.

Offense is hardly an issue for us. Stopping PGs from penetration/kick-outs is a BIG problem. He would be a great addition, cost us nothing important, and fill a role. He doesn't really need to score. Do you think Rony is an offensive factor for us? And where would we be without him?

No brainer: If we miss on a Melo trade, we trade for Sammy and move on from there. I am pretty sure Melo is coming to the Knicks one way or another, so the only downside to this is losing Chandler. But we can't have everything.

How about a basic cash deal for Dalembart

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