They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

the only team with a worse average rebound differential for the year are cleveland, washington, golden state, and believe it or not, phoenix.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/rebounds-per-game/sort/avgReboundsDifference

i imagine phoenix's numbers have gotten better since they got gortat, who had 7 boards (3 offensive) in only 19 minutes.

it continues to perplex me how people argue that getting carmelo clear and dry makes the knicks better. we can score with anybody and that's what carmelo gives us. yeah, it'd be nice to have another superstar's moxie and what not but its obvious that if the knicks can use their limited assets (curry's expiring, AR, possibly gallo) it should be on rebounding/defense and not scoring.

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just dont have the defense and rebounding. Carmelo Anthony is not changing that. We can give up 9 draft picks for him and were still the same without improvement in the paint and overall team D +R

They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

I dont understand your logic. Carmelo offensively produces as much as 2 of our current starters. Therefore he allows the Knicks to play a defensive big without losing scoring.

He does--which two Knicks are you talking about?

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just dont have the defense and rebounding. Carmelo Anthony is not changing that. We can give up 9 draft picks for him and were still the same without improvement in the paint and overall team D +R

They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

I dont understand your logic. Carmelo offensively produces as much as 2 of our current starters. Therefore he allows the Knicks to play a defensive big without losing scoring.

He does--which two Knicks are you talking about?

Landry and Gallo/Chandler.

You cant expect the Defensive big to score ZERO points.

?? Chandler gallo is like 34 points 1
2 rebounds

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just dont have the defense and rebounding. Carmelo Anthony is not changing that. We can give up 9 draft picks for him and were still the same without improvement in the paint and overall team D +R

They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

I dont understand your logic. Carmelo offensively produces as much as 2 of our current starters. Therefore he allows the Knicks to play a defensive big without losing scoring.

He does--which two Knicks are you talking about?

Landry and Gallo/Chandler.

You cant expect the Defensive big to score ZERO points.

?? Chandler gallo is like 34 points 1
2 rebounds

Landry is a starter and averages 10 PPG
+
Gallo(15 PPG) OR Chandler(18 PPG)
=
25-28 PPG

Carmelo is averaging 23 PPG.

BigSm00th wrote:so we deal AR for more picks, then we deal fields and gallinari and curry lets say.

felton
billy walker
melo
wil chandler
STAT
with turiaf, TD, and shawne williams off the bench.

knicks are one of the 5 worst rebounding teams in the NBA and aren't any better defensively, right? what am i missing?

the closest comparison i could think of would be a baseball team that has a loaded lineup but awful starting pitching and no bullpen. rather than shoring up the pitching they trade for a slugger, proceed to score a few more runs but ultimately lose because they still have no pitching or bullpen.

is this not the right analogy?

You dont get Melo and move Walker into the starting lineup. You move Mozgov or Turiaf into the starting lineup.

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just dont have the defense and rebounding. Carmelo Anthony is not changing that. We can give up 9 draft picks for him and were still the same without improvement in the paint and overall team D +R

They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

I dont understand your logic. Carmelo offensively produces as much as 2 of our current starters. Therefore he allows the Knicks to play a defensive big without losing scoring.

He does--which two Knicks are you talking about?

Landry and Gallo/Chandler.

You cant expect the Defensive big to score ZERO points.

?? Chandler gallo is like 34 points 1
2 rebounds

Landry is a starter and averages 10 PPG
+
Gallo(15 PPG) OR Chandler(18 PPG)
=
25-28 PPG

Carmelo is averaging 23 PPG.

Caremlo is avg 23 on 43% so?? If Chandler takes 7 more shots at 48% than what?

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just dont have the defense and rebounding. Carmelo Anthony is not changing that. We can give up 9 draft picks for him and were still the same without improvement in the paint and overall team D +R

They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

I dont understand your logic. Carmelo offensively produces as much as 2 of our current starters. Therefore he allows the Knicks to play a defensive big without losing scoring.

He does--which two Knicks are you talking about?

Landry and Gallo/Chandler.

You cant expect the Defensive big to score ZERO points.

?? Chandler gallo is like 34 points 1
2 rebounds

Landry is a starter and averages 10 PPG
+
Gallo(15 PPG) OR Chandler(18 PPG)
=
25-28 PPG

Carmelo is averaging 23 PPG.

Caremlo is avg 23 on 43% so?? If Chandler takes 7 more shots at 48% than what?

Your grasping at straws now man. Chandler or whoever is left isnt getting more shots than Carmelo.

iSergio wrote:Sadly, this is a system issue. And adding a Center isn't going to change that. We can add Dikembe Mutombo in his prime and we'd still have these type of games giving up 120-130 points.

gthot (get the heck out of town). Up until these last 2 or 3 games, the Knicks were getting angry props for their commitment to defense. What happened is a slight regression, possibly caused by mid-season fatigue and intensifying trade rumors that are chipping away at morale. Look for a return to their tough D of previous weeks as they get their second wind and the Melo drama settles. gthot (get the heck out of town).

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just dont have the defense and rebounding. Carmelo Anthony is not changing that. We can give up 9 draft picks for him and were still the same without improvement in the paint and overall team D +R

They need a plan to improve the D. Maybe Jefferies will be cut if the Knicks cant make a deal anywhere. I don't know what a scoring all star does to a team leading the league in scoring? How does that change the D+R?

I dont understand your logic. Carmelo offensively produces as much as 2 of our current starters. Therefore he allows the Knicks to play a defensive big without losing scoring.

the logic is that Jared Fishlips would help the Knicks more than Carmelo Anthony. lol.

iSergio wrote:Sadly, this is a system issue. And adding a Center isn't going to change that. We can add Dikembe Mutombo in his prime and we'd still have these type of games giving up 120-130 points.