Wilson Chandler is a good, young, solid player but he's not close to Melo. Sure, I'd hate to see him and Landry (Steal of the Draft) Fields leave town but Melo is a bona fide star. Melo also makes the Knicks a better team and will give STAT the help he needs come playoff time. I don't care what BS stats or article is provided stating Melo is not as good as many think and that the Knicks are taking a step back by getting him. Melo will make the Knicks better now and come playoff time.

It feels great to watch the Knicks and know they have a chance to win, regardless of who they're playing but at the end of the day they need to make Melo a Knick and considering he's available, the time for it to happen is now. Donnie Walsh put this team together and if Melo becomes a Knick I have faith that DW will make more moves.

It's been fun this year so far but unless Melo comes into the mix we're looking at a 1st or 2nd round exit this year. The Knicks have a window of STAT's deal to win it all and unless they get STAT a stud to run alongside we won't be in the mix for a championship. They have a chance to get STAT help right now, they just have to make it happen.

gr33d wrote:We're not getting another wing-player who's as unguardable as Melo, period. There are a handful of players in the league that just can't be contained. This guy is one of them...

I don't wanna hear about Melo's defense either; neither Gallo or Chandler is the second coming of Ron Artest.

But could be if we traded one of them for him. :-)

Nalod wrote:Reality is we are 4 games over .500 and a big trade to upgrade the sf would not put us over the top.

If Melo can be had AND we can adress our need for a starting center and a back up Point thats just another story.

Few doubt the inclusion of Melo as a negative, its just a question of "at what price"?

Its a good question.

Who out there is MDA material to start at center. If you can name them I would say yes we can address the center position. But lets not kid ourselves into believing that who ever we get will find his way into playing center for MDA. People here mention Jordan, McGee those guys would find themselves sitting just as Mozgov and AR would. Turiaff finds himself in the rotation but get inconsistent minutes. One game he gets good run and has a productive day the other he is an after thought to the rotation.

Nalod wrote:Reality is we are 4 games over .500 and a big trade to upgrade the sf would not put us over the top.

If Melo can be had AND we can adress our need for a starting center and a back up Point thats just another story.

Few doubt the inclusion of Melo as a negative, its just a question of "at what price"?

Its a good question.

Right, but I was repsonding to the plan b theory. Let's say Melo goes to elsewhere...

We clearly need a center; its our biggest need regardless of what SF we have.

Does adding a center to our current core put us in title contention?

BlueSeats wrote:

Ira wrote:If we have to give two of Gallo, Fields and Chandler to make it happen, we'll be worse off after the trade.

You don't do the Melo deal for this year, it's not a short-term solution and it couldn't even be a step backward for this season. And maybe if you have your hooks on a legit big you don't do it at all. (But Camby/Dalembert, etc don't really qualify there. Neither does Iggy/Ridnour.) If you do Melo it's to bolster your core long-term with a guy that could outlast/exceed Amare's significance going forward.

And I need to reiterate a point. I think it's no coincidence that Chandler, Gallo and Fields are all rising simultaneously; they are benefitted by Amare and the system. People keep saying they're only gonna get better, but who's to say the same doesn't hold true for Melo, WIlliams, Rautins, Walker, or anyone else that might come along in the Melo trade or otherwise? You can't just project an arc for some players while holding steady on the rest.

A serviceable big is mandatory, and a backup PG (beyond TD) is a nice luxury, but I wouldn't let them stand in the way of bolstering the core for the next 5 years.

Nope. If you are saying that C Anthony is worth more than Chandler Fields Randolph and a good deal of cap space next year--you are wrong. In terms of players getting better--I thought Gallo was rising into a superstar end of year--the acquisitions or his own play have taken a step back. Wilson took one step up this year--I believe of his own hard work. Every once in a while I think about Melo to NY--but it would have to be for draft picks ONLY becasue we would need to keep our players due to the salary cap would hurt us in terms of filling out the roster adequately. Im willing to give up Randolph(or a 1 in the trade + the 2014 and 3mm but thats it) If CA wants to come here--that offer both for his new team(we need what we have) is fair if they consider getting nothing back better. We still have big man issues that will have to be addressed.

We could put Melo into the 4 spot move Chandler to 3 and Gallo to 6th man

Vmart wrote:People here fear change especially after so much losing in the past. Right now being in the 6th spot feels like heaven for most and any change is scary enough to not do anything even if it the right move to make.

What I see more than anything else is people overrate Melo's value to the Knicks. He would be a good player and an upgrade over Chandler or Gallo, but is he worth all 3? Plus a pick for AR? Then all and any cap space thus killing our shot at signing a good young center like Jordan or Gasol?

I dont see Melo as a go get this guy and figure out the rest. He's NOT a superstar elite player and he's proved that in Denver. He's a great 2nd tier guy. He's a pre injury Gilbert Arenas.

People are treating him like Lebron or even a KG type guy. He will NEVER win an MVP or be considered one in this league. He's a dominant player on one side of the ball only.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:People here fear change especially after so much losing in the past. Right now being in the 6th spot feels like heaven for most and any change is scary enough to not do anything even if it the right move to make.

your wrong... its nice to be in the 6th spot and have one of the youngest teams in the NBA. Felton 26 is blowing up. Gallo, Fields and Chandler, are all 23 or under. There is a nice pipeline with Mosgov, Williams and AR. You expect no improvement from our young players?

What I see more than anything else is people overrate Melo's value to the Knicks. He would be a good player and an upgrade over Chandler or Gallo, but is he worth all 3? Plus a pick for AR? Then all and any cap space thus killing our shot at signing a good young center like Jordan or Gasol?

I dont see Melo as a go get this guy and figure out the rest. He's NOT a superstar elite player and he's proved that in Denver. He's a great 2nd tier guy. He's a pre injury Gilbert Arenas.

People are treating him like Lebron or even a KG type guy. He will NEVER win an MVP or be considered one in this league. He's a dominant player on one side of the ball only.

I think you refuse to see what Melo is for fear that the young players we have might turn into good players. I understand your thinking, but you refuse to understand the need for another dominant player. Melo is a star he makes his teammates much better. He draws attention, he warrants game planning by opposition teams all these factors help his teammates to do better and open up good looks for them.

Chandler/Gallo/Fields I like these guys they will be good players, I just don't think these guys have that it factor. Melo has it, the guy believes he belongs in the elite category of players. I don't think Chandler, Gallo and Fields will ever think that. They lack a confident factor that Melo has, you can't teach that.

As much I like Chandler, Gallo and Fields I don't feel confident that they will show up for big games vs big time competitors, like Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Pierce. But you put Amare and Melo together I feel confident forget me, these guys ooze confidence and that goes a long way into team psychology. You want the Knicks to be elite then you have to have players that think they are elite. I don't kid you when I say you better get Melo because he is the Knicks link to any championship chatter. This is what is missing with Chandler, Gallo and Fields its the confiedence that come with players that think they are elite, and Melo thinks it you may not but he sure thinks it.

What I don't understand is why some think melo wouldn't further progress this path we're on by getting us deeper into the postseason.