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Knixkik
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1/14/2011  7:33 PM
Do you feel Iggy is a better option for us? He's an elite defender, better play-maker, lesser contract, will cost less from a trade standpoint. We would probably have to deal Curry and one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields for him. We should still be slightly under the cap so we can make a run at a center in the off-season and still have flexibility down the road.

I myself want Melo, but am trying to consider other options as well. I don't feel as if adding an above average center and backup PG is enough to become a contender. We need a legitimate upgrade, and although Iggy isn't of Melo's star status, he is a star in this system. That is what we need, another player that can make it happen. Our current wing prospects (Chandler/Gallo/Fields) are phenominal supporting cast players, maybe even fringe all-stars down the road, but i question their abilities to help lead us alongside Stoudemire and Felton deep into the playoffs, as opposed to just fit within strong contending rotations. If we don't get Melo, and can add Iggy and another center down the road, what does this lineup look like to everyone?

C Camby/Varejao/D Jordan/etc (one of these)
PF Stoudemire
SF Chandler/Gallo/Fields (one of the 3)
SG Iggy
PG Felton

Then adding quality to fill out the rotation should be easy with some of what we have already, as well as draft picks and cap space.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around some realistic Plan B options, so let me know what you think.

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1/14/2011  8:03 PM
Can he break down defenses and put up 30 a night?
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1/14/2011  8:42 PM

Can we end the myth that Camby is available? Can we please end that myth?
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Knixkik
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1/14/2011  9:38 PM
loweyecue wrote:Can he break down defenses and put up 30 a night?

Yes he can.
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1/15/2011  1:41 AM
Papabear Says

From Carmelo's remarks tonight I don't think he is coming to New York. For the first time he remarked that he is considering the Nets and playing in thier new arena.

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1/15/2011  8:03 AM
Knixkik wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Can he break down defenses and put up 30 a night?

Yes he can.

Come on man, iggy is good, very good but not on the same level as Melo. We need a Melo type player to compete for a championship.
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1/15/2011  10:15 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Can he break down defenses and put up 30 a night?

Yes he can.

Come on man, iggy is good, very good but not on the same level as Melo. We need a Melo type player to compete for a championship.

You are right he is not on Melo's level. But a lot of people don't want Melo here unless it is for nothing, which probably isn't going to happen, so i'm thinking of solid backup plans. Iggy is a great 2-way player and would be our second best player upon arrival. He isn't capable of leading his team to the playoffs on his own, especially given the lack of talent he has played with in Philly, but as a second option to STAT with good players around them, he's a key player who can create offense and defend players like Lebron, Wade, Piece, etc in the playoffs as good as anyone.

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1/15/2011  10:23 AM
Andre Iguodala is a little overrated. He's not a Star or anything like that but he's a decent player as long as you don't ask him to be a scorer - he's averaging only 13.4 ppg.
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1/15/2011  11:18 AM
we have to save the Eddy cap space for a big either by trade or FA. Iggy can be had for fields and Eddys contract in my opinion. He is a dump. BUt that limits our cap space so I don't go there.

Ride the season out.

Anyone know what the Wolves pick is for AR? Protected? Is it even theirs? They were really stockpiling them.

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1/15/2011  5:56 PM
iSergio wrote:Andre Iguodala is a little overrated. He's not a Star or anything like that but he's a decent player as long as you don't ask him to be a scorer - he's averaging only 13.4 ppg.

He's been hurt all year for the first time in his career. Look at previous seasons, he's a very capable scorer.

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1/15/2011  6:07 PM
Adding Iggy gets the Knicks no closer to a championship than they are now. He's a solid role player but not a star. 1st option on a team with little talent and average 18PPG is not a start in my book. Get Melo now.............
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1/15/2011  6:41 PM
It's simple, really.

If Carmelo takes Gallo + Fields + Chandler + picks + contracts = NO THANKS.
If Carmelo takes ONE of Gallo, Fields, Chandler + picks + contracts = LET'S TALK.
If Carmelo signs in the summer = HELL YEAH.

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1/16/2011  2:50 AM
iSergio wrote:Andre Iguodala is a little overrated. He's not a Star or anything like that but he's a decent player as long as you don't ask him to be a scorer - he's averaging only 13.4 ppg.

nah hes underrated. he can get to the basket at will and is a great pAsser who also plays defense

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1/16/2011  8:24 AM
No more injury prone players. If we are considering fields for iggy why not consider fields for melo.

Not understanding plan b's that involve players we refuse to give up for melo.

Please explain

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1/16/2011  10:12 AM
babyKnicks wrote:No more injury prone players. If we are considering fields for iggy why not consider fields for melo.

Not understanding plan b's that involve players we refuse to give up for melo.

Please explain

First off i don't want to trade Fields period. He is much more valuable to this team at this point then Chandler and Gallo in my opinion. Second, how is Iggy injury prone? Look at his career, he is probably amongst the most durable players in the league. Do a little of this research before making an assumptive comment like that. Nearly everyone on this board would agree to trade 1 of our 3 talented wings, plus draft picks, AR, Curry, and cash for Melo. Right now it looks like we would have to include 2 of the 3 of Fields/Chandler/Gallo plus the rest of those assets to even be in the conversation. If Melo gets traded, dealing one of those players plus Curry for Iggy is well worth it. He is a clear upgrade and we can still keep our draft picks and between our first round pick and the one we get for AR we will have some great assets this summer to upgrade the bench or use to get a starting center. Iggy is that 2-way player that he needed to compete in the playoffs with star wing players.

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1/16/2011  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2011  12:38 PM
Knixkik wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:No more injury prone players. If we are considering fields for iggy why not consider fields for melo.

Not understanding plan b's that involve players we refuse to give up for melo.

Please explain

First off i don't want to trade Fields period. He is much more valuable to this team at this point then Chandler and Gallo in my opinion. Second, how is Iggy injury prone? Look at his career, he is probably amongst the most durable players in the league. Do a little of this research before making an assumptive comment like that. Nearly everyone on this board would agree to trade 1 of our 3 talented wings, plus draft picks, AR, Curry, and cash for Melo. Right now it looks like we would have to include 2 of the 3 of Fields/Chandler/Gallo plus the rest of those assets to even be in the conversation. If Melo gets traded, dealing one of those players plus Curry for Iggy is well worth it. He is a clear upgrade and we can still keep our draft picks and between our first round pick and the one we get for AR we will have some great assets this summer to upgrade the bench or use to get a starting center. Iggy is that 2-way player that he needed to compete in the playoffs with star wing players.

i would personally would have to think very long & hard about giving any of our top 3 young guys to get Iggy... for sure i would not give up Wilson C, i think he's already a comparable player to Iguodala in terms of talent, & Landry is fast becoming 1 of those glue guys that u want on this team going forward that are hard to replace (i'm talking superglue grade, not Fishlips style glue)... Gallo is also very valuable to this team so if you trade him u have to make sure you're upgrading in other areas signficantly to justify it... Iggy's gonna bring that smothering D & exciting highlight plays on offense, so he's definitely an attractive option... we would be very small if we moved Landry over to the 3 & played Iggy at the 2 though... if you consider Landry a keeper, then what would your plan be with Wilson if you made a trade to bring Iggy to NY? would u play him as your 4 the rest of the way or put him into the 6th man role? or would u move Landry into that role?

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1/16/2011  1:10 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:It's simple, really.

If Carmelo takes Gallo + Fields + Chandler + picks + contracts = NO THANKS.
If Carmelo takes ONE of Gallo, Fields, Chandler + picks + contracts = LET'S TALK.
If Carmelo signs in the summer = HELL YEAH.

wow... someone who gets it. Melo isnt a once in a decade player. He's not a superstar either. He's a really good player. He's a bigtime scorer who's played in a few all star games and had one good playoff run. Melo is Gilbert Arenas before the knees went out.

Melo is better than any SF we have, but what he brings doesnt make us elite. He's not a top flight defender or rebounder. He gives you another closing option, but he's also more an iso player so his fit in this top shelf offense is questionable.

I agree 100% with your points.

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1/16/2011  2:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2011  2:41 PM
fishmike wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:It's simple, really.

If Carmelo takes Gallo + Fields + Chandler + picks + contracts = NO THANKS.
If Carmelo takes ONE of Gallo, Fields, Chandler + picks + contracts = LET'S TALK.
If Carmelo signs in the summer = HELL YEAH.

wow... someone who gets it. Melo isnt a once in a decade player. He's not a superstar either. He's a really good player. He's a bigtime scorer who's played in a few all star games and had one good playoff run. Melo is Gilbert Arenas before the knees went out.

Melo is better than any SF we have, but what he brings doesnt make us elite. He's not a top flight defender or rebounder. He gives you another closing option, but he's also more an iso player so his fit in this top shelf offense is questionable.

I agree 100% with your points.

Amar'e isn't a once in a decade player, nor is he considered a superstar. He's a really good player like Melo who doesn't rebound or defend well, but you're head over heels for Amar'e but not Melo. You're doing backflips because of what Amar'e has brought, but you think an identical player at the SF position like Melo makes us worse.

I gotcha.

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1/16/2011  2:52 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
fishmike wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:It's simple, really.

If Carmelo takes Gallo + Fields + Chandler + picks + contracts = NO THANKS.
If Carmelo takes ONE of Gallo, Fields, Chandler + picks + contracts = LET'S TALK.
If Carmelo signs in the summer = HELL YEAH.

wow... someone who gets it. Melo isnt a once in a decade player. He's not a superstar either. He's a really good player. He's a bigtime scorer who's played in a few all star games and had one good playoff run. Melo is Gilbert Arenas before the knees went out.

Melo is better than any SF we have, but what he brings doesnt make us elite. He's not a top flight defender or rebounder. He gives you another closing option, but he's also more an iso player so his fit in this top shelf offense is questionable.

I agree 100% with your points.

Amar'e isn't a once in a decade player, nor is he considered a superstar. He's a really good player like Melo who doesn't rebound or defend well, but you're head over heels for Amar'e but not Melo. You're doing backflips because of what Amar'e has brought, but you think an identical player at the SF position like Melo makes us worse.

I gotcha.

Dude if we get Carmelo people here will claim he is better than Lebron. Mark my words.

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1/16/2011  3:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2011  3:08 PM
Melo is not on Lebron's level, but he's as close as the Knicks can get to a player on that level

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