Can anyone get into his head that he can have a long and fruitful career with a different outlook?

Physically, he has the tools to be a hell of a player but we've known this for awhile. It's the mental makeup that has a lot of us concerned. With that said, he's still young so maybe things change as he matures.

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

D'Antoni values offense over defense. D'Antoni also plays favorites. If he doesn't like you then your not playing.

D'Antoni's system is also a little too free flowing for a guy like Randolph. I think Randolph could be solid in half court sets.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

D'Antoni values offense over defense. D'Antoni also plays favorites. If he doesn't like you then your not playing.

D'Antoni's system is also a little too free flowing for a guy like Randolph. I think Randolph could be solid in half court sets.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

Who knows what kind of play AR turns into? He's 21? He strikes me as a guy who wasnt NBA ready, then was set back by being yanked around in a dysfunctional franchise.

I think AR needs this year to simply watch and understand what it takes to succeed in the NBA. Watch Amare/Felton, watch what Fields, Gallo, Chandler and Douglas do to stay in the rotation (work on their games). Then focus on ONE SKILL the entire off season and become good at that one skill. If he could really learn to rebound well it would get him on the floor. He's got all the skills... he needs to understand his place and his role. I hope he gets it. At 21 he's a good prospect with great size and skills. It took Jermaine Oneil 4 years of sitting and waiting. This kind of slow start isnt unusual. However for every JOneil there are like 5 Loren Woods and Jackie Butlers.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

i think he belongs on a rebuilding situation with a coach who will be patient enough to stick w/him through his mistakes on the floor & not banish him to the end of the bench, much in the same way Jordan Hill is being treated by Rick Adelman now in Houston... the raw talent & ability is obviously there, AR just needs to put it together w/his mindset... a tough love approach doesn't always work with every young player's development.

I say play the kid. He is not getting better sitting on the bench. We are not going to win a championship this year (sorry those of us who diluted ourselves enough to think other). Give him a shot, for nothing else than to put up his trade value. Developing a possibly young talented swingman is worth more to me than playing just to lose in the first round of the playoffs. If we are not careful Amare is going to breakdown before the season ends if he keeps playing all this time.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

D'Antoni values offense over defense. D'Antoni also plays favorites. If he doesn't like you then your not playing.

D'Antoni's system is also a little too free flowing for a guy like Randolph. I think Randolph could be solid in half court sets.

and as someone else alluded to, your first line is like some automatic comment which is always spewed out when you hear the name D'Antoni.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph just doesnt seem to get it. Im not ready to just give him away but he isnt going to excel here under D'Antoni.

never understood that type of statement. Is it this particular coach or is it such that AR prob wouldn't survive with a team that has high expectations.

I see AR getting yelled at and benched by Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, Larry Brown, Rivers, any Van Gundy.

What type of puff coach would AR thrive under that also has a winning tradition?

i think he belongs on a rebuilding situation with a coach who will be patient enough to stick w/him through his mistakes on the floor & not banish him to the end of the bench, much in the same way Jordan Hill is being treated by Rick Adelman now in Houston... the raw talent & ability is obviously there, AR just needs to put it together w/his mindset... a tough love approach doesn't always work with every young player's development.

your hardon for bringing Jordan Hill into every conversation no matter what the point is only surpassed by that of Marv's snowman pic in BRIGGS' "18.5 incher in his pants" thread.

the parallels are there, i have no idea wtf your problem is that i bring up Hill's name into this discussion... i'm using him as an example of how i think AR needs to be handled by his coach... maybe you should stop talking about hardons & 18 inchers & start talking about basketball.