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Caremlo Anthony is shooting 25% from 3 pt range
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BRIGGS
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1/8/2011  1:37 PM
and 43% from 2. He only averages 2 3 pts ers a game. They play a wide open system in Denver and they score a LOT of points -- exactly how does this mesh with the mDA system?
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1/8/2011  1:56 PM
Carmelo is more important than MDA's system...Camelo, Felton and Amare on the court together is more important than the coach on the sidelines...
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1/8/2011  1:58 PM
I think Carmelo Anthony has already decided to leave Denver and is pulling a Vince Carter to lower his value and make it possible to leave in a trade.
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1/8/2011  3:08 PM
IMO the fact that he only attempts two 3 pointers a game is a positive... i don't want this entire offense be relegated so much on taking & making a huge % of 3's... it would be nice to have players that can get their points in other ways... basketball isn't all about making 3's... if u can't see the value a player like Melo can bring to a team, u haven't been paying much attention to his career.
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1/8/2011  3:13 PM
TMS wrote:IMO the fact that he only attempts two 3 pointers a game is a positive... i don't want this entire offense be relegated so much on taking & making a huge % of 3's... it would be nice to have players that can get their points in other ways... basketball isn't all about making 3's... if u can't see the value a player like Melo can bring to a team, u haven't been paying much attention to his career.

Me neither TMS but I question the value of what he would bring to this team. Not saying he is not a greta player but a fit player/cost versus production--how many basketballs are out there? I will disagree with the sentiment that a big HAS to have a 14 foot jumpshot as well. If a big can play well post score rebound block/clog the paint/rim and shoot mid 50% then he works. If you cans core 13 points on layups dunks etc.. whast wrong with that--you still cause pressure to spread the floor.

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1/8/2011  3:20 PM
nyvector16 wrote:I think Carmelo Anthony has already decided to leave Denver and is pulling a Vince Carter to lower his value and make it possible to leave in a trade.

the shooting percentages are within range of his career norms.

his 3pt % career is .306, and he has shot as low as .243%.

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1/8/2011  3:24 PM
TMS wrote:IMO the fact that he only attempts two 3 pointers a game is a positive... i don't want this entire offense be relegated so much on taking & making a huge % of 3's... it would be nice to have players that can get their points in other ways... basketball isn't all about making 3's... if u can't see the value a player like Melo can bring to a team, u haven't been paying much attention to his career.

Is he too much like Amare, though?

Our 3 pt shooting has made life much easier for Amare, just as Amare's game has opened up opportunities for our 3 pt shooters.

I don't think that Walsh/MDA want to play around too much with the chemistry that has been created on this team, especially since we are playing so well now.

I can see us picking up another big, but I expect the core to remain intact this year unless some really crazy offer falls into our lap.

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1/8/2011  3:57 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:IMO the fact that he only attempts two 3 pointers a game is a positive... i don't want this entire offense be relegated so much on taking & making a huge % of 3's... it would be nice to have players that can get their points in other ways... basketball isn't all about making 3's... if u can't see the value a player like Melo can bring to a team, u haven't been paying much attention to his career.

Me neither TMS but I question the value of what he would bring to this team. Not saying he is not a greta player but a fit player/cost versus production--how many basketballs are out there? I will disagree with the sentiment that a big HAS to have a 14 foot jumpshot as well. If a big can play well post score rebound block/clog the paint/rim and shoot mid 50% then he works. If you cans core 13 points on layups dunks etc.. whast wrong with that--you still cause pressure to spread the floor.

i think we're only going to make a trade for Melo that makes sense for us according to DW's plan... i'm comfortable w/whatever he decides to do, he's proven he's got a solid plan in place & i'm not gonna question it anymore... i don't believe for 1 second that he's going to gut our roster of all our best young players to get Melo here... & i don't think Melo will even want to come to the Knicks if they have to do all that to get him either... he's made it pretty clear he's willing to wait til free agency if he has to in order to come here... i'm just thinking about the logistics of trying to get him here while still being able to utilize our salary exceptions this summer in the process & maybe hold onto at least 1 of our young guys... that in my view will allow us to upgrade in every area of need & satisfy both sides of this ongoing Melo debate... there's gonna be some nice players that will be available for us at a MLE type contract this summer IMO... as for how Melo would fit, i think MDA is a good enough coach to be able to pull it all together with topnotch players like Amare & Melo... those guys simply know how to play the game period... i don't think it would take much more than a short adjustment period for those guys to get on the same page, the same way Lebron & Wade were able to do in Miami.

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1/8/2011  4:05 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:IMO the fact that he only attempts two 3 pointers a game is a positive... i don't want this entire offense be relegated so much on taking & making a huge % of 3's... it would be nice to have players that can get their points in other ways... basketball isn't all about making 3's... if u can't see the value a player like Melo can bring to a team, u haven't been paying much attention to his career.

Is he too much like Amare, though?

Our 3 pt shooting has made life much easier for Amare, just as Amare's game has opened up opportunities for our 3 pt shooters.

I don't think that Walsh/MDA want to play around too much with the chemistry that has been created on this team, especially since we are playing so well now.

I can see us picking up another big, but I expect the core to remain intact this year unless some really crazy offer falls into our lap.

i think he can do a lot of the things Amare can do but he also does things Amare can't do... he's like a combo G-F, he's so versatile it would give MDA all kinda of options to create favorable matchups... if Amare goes to the bench to rest we'd see pretty much zero dropoff in offensive production because we have Melo on the floor... we'd also be able to play small ball the way MDA likes while still being able to match up against teams like the Heat by putting 2 elite players out on the floor to match theirs.

the chemistry thing doesn't really concern me cuz i don't view Melo as a cancerous presence in the lockerroom the way some other people might... i think he's proven to be a winner everywhere he's played... he may not have been able to win a championship yet but he hasn't had the kind of talent around him like he would if he were to come here... i think he & Amare would make a devastating combo personally... i could be way off but i'd like to see what those guys could do together.

anyway, whatever DW decides to do i'm cool with... dunno what other bigs are out there that would really take us over the top w/o us having to trade away part of our core though... so you're gonna have to deal with the chemistry issues one way or the other... it's not gonna be an easy decision regardless of what DW decides to do.

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1/8/2011  4:20 PM
I will say this about Melo under Mike. It may not happen right away, but under Mike his 3pt % would eventually improve. His approach creates a premium on it and players not only work on it, but they perfect it and that is why guys feel so comfortable shooting 3's. The other thing is that you have Amar'e. It makes a HUGE difference when you take most of your 3's in a wide open and relaxed manner. Mike's teams shoot well for a reason. People still underestimate the effect his system has when you have good to great players executing it, the you really have something. I don't think even the Heat would be able to stop this offense with Melo added in.

Another thing is that our spread offense is destroying teams right now. Melo would have a field day with the amount of room he'd have to operate. We don't use the low post. We pretty much go with mid to high post and leave the middle WIDE OPEN for penetration. This is a title team if we can add Melo and not lose too many key players. I think my mind is made up about this now. I was worried about the rebounding, but we seem to be able to overcome that to some degree. Its usually a very telling stat, but MDA's teams are so different. I'm no longer against Melo. I'm positive that Mike would bring the best out of him and being with Felton and Amar'e would just be unreal for Melo. Everyone one gets a boost playing for Mike and Melo would be no different.

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1/8/2011  4:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2011  4:43 PM
Bernard King was a 17% career threepoint shooter. Guess he wouldn't be able to play here either right?

Ridiculous how some of you are so desperate to find every excuse not to have Carmelo Anthony on this team. But this the same guy who didn't want Raymond Felton because his arms were too short.

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1/9/2011  5:55 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Me neither TMS but I question the value of what he would bring to this team. Not saying he is not a greta player but a fit player/cost versus production--how many basketballs are out there? I will disagree with the sentiment that a big HAS to have a 14 foot jumpshot as well. If a big can play well post score rebound block/clog the paint/rim and shoot mid 50% then he works. If you cans core 13 points on layups dunks etc.. whast wrong with that--you still cause pressure to spread the floor.

I keep going back and forth with the idea of getting Melo. When we're playing like we have been and are winning convincingly, I do kind of think maybe all we need is to upgrade PF/C, and improve the bench, but then when we lost to Miami I came away thinking maybe thats fools gold and we really need a second star player to compete against the elite. I'm still not sure.

What I will say is that Melo is not playing his best this season, and understandably so- maybe he improves and tries harder if he gets traded to us. Also Melo had his best season when he put in a ton of extra work in the offseason, and likewise he's had his worst seasons when he hasn't- I think maybe Amar'e would motivate/ challenge him to put in more work.

Also Melo would take some of the burden off Amar'e- he's carrying the team on his back this season and doing a great job of it, but it must take it's toll. Having Melo would allow Amar'e to play fewer minutes and to shoulder less of the load. But yeah, I have the same worries about whether he'd fit with the team or screw up what we have, so I'm kind of glad the decision is pretty much out of our hands and dependent on Denver.

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1/9/2011  8:33 AM
He'd fit. He would do all the things gallo or shawne Williams does and more.

He's an annual all star player CURRENTLY. You don't wonder how they will fit on a team.

Madness. I can understand the love affair with the current group, and I want to see what we can do.

But I can't sit by and watch you guys bash one of the top players in the league because you wanna see if we can do it.

We can't avaunt Boston and Miami, even if we magically add a serviceable big and backup PG (without messing up our future and trading a current asset)

I love the optimism, but melo is one of the best in the league. Adding him to replace Chandler OR Gallo and we are title contenders.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/9/2011  10:06 AM
No you can't just throw a player into a system and he's going to fit..His 3 pt shooting is a measure of concern, Duhon,Q rich were a solid 3 pt shooter prior to coming here, yet they shot awful while he was here.
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1/9/2011  10:39 AM
knicks1248 wrote:No you can't just throw a player into a system and he's going to fit..His 3 pt shooting is a measure of concern, Duhon,Q rich were a solid 3 pt shooter prior to coming here, yet they shot awful while he was here.

Q Rich was a solid 3 pt shooter for MDA, it's just by the time he got here he was hurt. Duhon was never a good shooter on any level.

Carmelo Anthony would THRIVE in MDA's system. As Jeff Van Gundy said, this guy can be unstoppable on the perimeter. His 3 pt shooting is not of a concern at all.

With a 1-2 punch of Amare and Melo it would be ridoncuoulous.

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1/9/2011  10:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2011  10:47 AM
Papabear Says

If we don't get Carmelo here we will be just a team of the Patrick Ewing days. Getting close but Michael Jordan always blocking us from the prize. Wade and LeCon will alway beat us from getting a ring. Let's face it even Carmelo and a Big defensive Center we will still have a hard time beating Miami but it can be done.

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1/9/2011  11:04 AM
iSergio wrote:Bernard King was a 17% career threepoint shooter. Guess he wouldn't be able to play here either right?

Ridiculous how some of you are so desperate to find every excuse not to have Carmelo Anthony on this team. But this the same guy who didn't want Raymond Felton because his arms were too short.

Just as out there is how some are projecting our success without consideration of what we lose to trade for him.

What is unknown in either sides of the opinion is the future. Team is over all better than most could have projected and the common thought is often that both Wilson and Gallo are as good as they are going to get.

The progress of the development of our yoot in under half the season has been impressive and one has to wonder where the glass ceiling really is. The lack of imagination in pursuit of a Starphuch is astonishing.

Its almost cowardice to pay the price of a starphuch rather than continue a path that takes some risk but has the upside!

You want greatness with great players but we might be witness to the birth of a great team.

Get Melo but you get him at a reasonable price.

Success with or without is not assured but the assumption Melo as a savior is not guaranteed!

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1/9/2011  11:24 AM
I stay far away from this kid for the money. We have four very solid offensive players and three guys that can get you points in douglas, fields and willaims.

We play a team game where guys can take over not the other way around. I like the idea like a lot of us do of targeting big men. Jordan and Big Baby would be very good here. Adding a backups to keep Amare and Felton fresh is the most important thing to the teams long term success.

Right now you have two teams that are going to be good for a long time in the East in Miami and the Bulls, one very good team in the Magic and a Celtics team that isn't going to be the force they were in a year or so.

So keeping the unselfish core and adding pieces is the play here.

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1/9/2011  12:07 PM
Those numbers will all go up if he becomes a Knick.
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1/9/2011  12:30 PM
it's hard to assume the numbers will just go up just because he's with us. grant hill in his first year with mda he shot 31.7% from 3. he was a lil under 28% before that. so while he was better, it still wasn't acceptable.

melo leads the league in attempts at the rim. amar'e is 6th. someone is going to lose touches in the paint.

people think he's a perimeter player but he's really not anymore. he's a shorter version of amar'e now.

Caremlo Anthony is shooting 25% from 3 pt range

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