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1/4/2011  12:24 PM
Just looking around the league for players who could come available by the trade deadline that the Knicks might be interested in....and gotta say, if we are not going to take on salary and want a player or two that will make us better without giving up to much....it is looking like slim pickings out there.

as far as expiring assets...we do have azubuike, curry and Mason. Trade bait....Randolph, Douglas and Chandler if we really do not intend on resigning him....but unless we take on salary for next year which will hurt any chances of getting Melo as a free agent, there really doesn't look to be many options for a trade with teams looking to dump salary

My feeling is if we do anything at all it will either be a small move or two.....a b/u PG and/or Center....or a blockbuster deal for Melo.

Here is a list of players who might be traded by the deadline...

Carmelo Anthony, SF, Denver Nugets - 2 years $17,149,243
Hasheem Thabeet, C, Memphis Grizzlies - 2 years $4,793,280
Chris Kaman, C, Los Angeles Clippers - 2 years $11,800,000
Michael Redd, G, Milwaukee Bucks - 1 year $18,300,000
Andray Blatche, PF, Washington Wizards - 5 years $5,904,152
Jose Calderon, PG, Toronto Raptors - 3 years $9,000,000
Baron Davis, PG, Los Angeles Clippers - 3 years $13,000,000
O.J. Mayo, PG/SG, Memphis Grizzlies - 2 years $4,456,200
Monta Ellis, PG/SG, Golden State Warriors 4 years $11,000,000
Richard Hamilton, SG, Detroit Pistons 3 years $12,500,000
Tayshaun Prince, SF, Detroit Pistons - 1 year 11,148,760
Antawn Jamison, PF, Cleveland Cavaliers - 2 years $13,358,905
Andre Iguodala, SG, Philadelphia 76ers - 4 years $12,345,250
Steve Nash, PG, Phoenix Suns - 2 years $10,310,930
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1/4/2011  12:32 PM
I would love Iggy and Ellis... If the Knicks are going to play small ball, I would love to see

Felton
Ellis
Chandler
Iggy
Amar'e

dunno if that's a championship team or not but I'd be willing to roll the dice

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1/4/2011  1:13 PM
I don't know if I'd want any of those guys relative to what they'd cost.
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1/4/2011  1:18 PM
I wonder if Donnie is considering Nash and Carmello together.......don't even know if it works cap wise, but there probably is some way. That would probably make this roster unrecognizable though.

I think Melo is coming along with a deal for a big man. I don't know if they're too concerned with a backup PG to be honest with you. Especially if TD is starting to grasp how to run the offense which it looks like he is.
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1/4/2011  1:38 PM
When you consider their entire games, is Nash better than Felton? I can't see that being a priority. I think if you offered Phoenix Felton for Nash they would do it right now considering age and salary differences. Donnie's not going to make that move.

If we make a move at the deadline it has to be for a significant edge. Carmelo obviously if you're not gutting the team. Camby should be an obvious upgrade if Portland is willing. Battier would be nice to pair with Amare.

Sessions is probably the best backcourt fit. He'd slide in behind Felton and Fields and would be so much better than TD in the same role.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/4/2011  1:59 PM
If they come away with Melo and a guy like Camby or Verajao I'd be extatic. I love the way Felton plays and they type of teammate he is. But if Felton for Nash was offered straight up the Knicks would have to make that move unless it would cost them a shot at Melo, Iggy or some other big move. Felton has been great and a better defender, but he is no Nash.
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1/4/2011  2:05 PM
MSG3 wrote:If they come away with Melo and a guy like Camby or Verajao I'd be extatic.

so would i... that gives us a team that can match up with any team in the NBA.

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1/4/2011  2:06 PM
There is almost zero mathematical way the Knicks can fit Melo and Camby under the cap without decimating the team that's already here.
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1/4/2011  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  2:11 PM
should probably add JaVale McGee to the mix as there have been a few rumors. While still a work in progress, he would be a good fit on this team (if he didn't get to many splinters from MDA's bench)

I'd do McGee for Randolph straight up
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1/4/2011  2:19 PM
I would love to add but to do so you need to subtract.

Not sure I even want to waste brain power on it.

If Melo is really going to screw over Denver I am long on record to tell them they can have Wilson and Curry and they only get Wilson cuz he becomes redundant and likley we can't resign him anyway.

They get a nice player in return. IF they want to get nothing then thats their business. Its effectivley a sign and trade but not having to wait until summer.

If they want to let Melo walk and are fine with that and save money and have cap to sign wilson in the offseason thats their choice. They don't help Melo and get a bad rep at the same time. No win.

Its just business.

I Like Gallo as 4th option cuz he does more off the ball then Wilson who is a 2nd-3rd option player and should be paid like one.

I don't see any trades that really help us this year. We are 6th seed likely as it stands.
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1/4/2011  2:35 PM
You guys have to do just a little bit of fact checking before you post.

You understand that we have to trade dollar for dollar (close to it) under the CBA. We would have to trade the whole team to get Carmelo AND Camby. Don't post that stuff when you know its not possible.

McGee for Randolph? 2nd best center in the East and a young one at that for our bench project? Why would Washington do that? Washington would want you to take Lewis to get McGee or they're going to want an established all-star that goes along with Wall.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/4/2011  2:45 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:You guys have to do just a little bit of fact checking before you post.

You understand that we have to trade dollar for dollar (close to it) under the CBA. We would have to trade the whole team to get Carmelo AND Camby. Don't post that stuff when you know its not possible.

well, technically speaking, it is possible... just not sure if DEN or POR would accept those players back in return w/o multiple draft picks included

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5797882

you'd still be left with a championship calibre team:

C - Camby
PF - Amare
SF - Melo
SG - Fields
PG - Felton
6 - Williams
7 - Turiaf
8 - Douglas
9 - Walker
10 - Rautins

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1/4/2011  2:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  5:52 PM
I like Chris Kaman for this team A LOT. Dude's been hurt but it's nothing too serious (it's been a slow go coming back from a sprained ankle, he probably came back too quickly and was forced to shut it down again -- he just has to be patient & let it heal now. No reason to believe he won't be 100% by next year) and he was an all-star last year..A healthy Chris Kaman is a damn good player that plays hard..This guy could be the productive C we're looking for -- I think he'd be perfect for what we need (very good fit next to Amar'e)..If we didn't have to worry about this damn cap space, I would've approached the Clippers already if I were Donnie, even with Kaman being hurt..Too bad we can't take on that type of money for next year..Or can we?? If this Melo situation gets resolved eventually where it looks like he ain't coming here (say he either stays in DEN, goes to the Nets or CHI etc.), I might look at a trade for Kaman as a reasonable plan B. Compare Kaman to a guy like Nene -- salary very similar, both on the books for similar money for next year (Kaman--$12.2M, Nene--$11.6M player option that he will pick up), both are the same age, similar height..I prefer Kaman a little bit more over Nene though. And if by chance he didn't work out, he'd come right off the books after next year and we then retool a different way.

Timing is a big factor when it comes to the Knicks upgrading the roster & it's not completely on our side when you really think about it..If Melo really doesn't want NY and we find out soon (as in before the Feb trade deadline) or DEN just refuses to deal him here, it wouldn't really be all that bad a situation for us. If he decides to stay in DEN or he agrees to sign an extension with another team, fine, then we'd have all this cap room to go get a guy like Kaman (we'd still have Curry's salary to use in a trade--that's a big thing here, I'd like to make use of that one way or another in the right deal), then add another impact player or 2 in the offseason, maybe purchase a 2nd draft pick (mid to low 1st, early 2nd rounder?), resign Wilson Chandler, etc..Worst case scenario would be to miss out on a good deadline trade using Curry's expiring as an asset only to have Melo wait until this off-season to spurn NY & go somewhere else..That would suck and we'd basically get burned two years in a row on the best player available...Thing is Melo is still the best trade target/potential FA out there though & I guess he's worth waiting for. It's just gonna be real tough for Donnie to line up his plan A, B, C, etc. when he has to wait for Melo..Some things available at the Feb deadline won't be there in the offseason..
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1/4/2011  2:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  3:02 PM
some more names that should get some burn....

Minny still has 3 PG's and Rubio is rumored to be heading to the NBA next year so....i wouldn't be surprised to see one of these three be moved

Luke Ridnour - 4 years $4,000,000
Jonny Flynn - 2 years $3,192,000
Sebastian Telfair - 1 year $2,700,000
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1/4/2011  3:12 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:You guys have to do just a little bit of fact checking before you post.

You understand that we have to trade dollar for dollar (close to it) under the CBA. We would have to trade the whole team to get Carmelo AND Camby. Don't post that stuff when you know its not possible.

McGee for Randolph? 2nd best center in the East and a young one at that for our bench project? Why would Washington do that? Washington would want you to take Lewis to get McGee or they're going to want an established all-star that goes along with Wall.

John...it's close, but looks like Lewis has a trade restriction expiring Feb. 18th, the day after the trade deadline..not positive he can't be traded though because it's really close. Also, i think you are overstating McGee's value...and understating Randolph's value...I think they have similar unreached potential...but both need polishing.
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1/4/2011  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  5:02 PM
Say we didn't get Melo but were able to add/retain the following:

- Add a healthy Chris Kaman
- Resign Wilson Chandler
- Add our 1st round pick (fill in the guy you like -- as of right now I think I like either PF Trey Thompkins or PG Demetri McCamey based on talent, need and availability in the draft)
- Add C Jerome Jordan
- Maybe retain Kelenna Azubuike at a good price if healthy

With the rest of the roster a year more experienced and more comfortable, is that enough to make some noise in the EC next year? Enough to at least challenge Boston, Orlando?? It'll definitely be a better team than this year, question is how much better? Would that team be just as good as one with Melo only? Just curious what you guys think if that's what we were able to come up with.
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1/4/2011  4:01 PM
you can add aaron brooks' name to the list although he hasn't been much better than TD this year.
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1/4/2011  5:09 PM
TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:You guys have to do just a little bit of fact checking before you post.

You understand that we have to trade dollar for dollar (close to it) under the CBA. We would have to trade the whole team to get Carmelo AND Camby. Don't post that stuff when you know its not possible.

well, technically speaking, it is possible... just not sure if DEN or POR would accept those players back in return w/o multiple draft picks included

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5797882

you'd still be left with a championship calibre team:

C - Camby
PF - Amare
SF - Melo
SG - Fields
PG - Felton
6 - Williams
7 - Turiaf
8 - Douglas
9 - Walker
10 - Rautins

You know what, nice work on this. If I had a hotline to Donnie I would suggest this. Portland is a terrible trade partner, so they probably wouldn't do it, but this is at least interesting to think about. You lose your three point ability, but that team matches up better with Orlando and Boston than the current one.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/4/2011  5:17 PM
Finestrg wrote:Say we didn't get Melo but were able to add/retain the following:

- Add a healthy Chris Kaman
- Resign Wilson Chandler
- Add our 1st round pick (fill in the guy you like -- as of right now I think I like either PF Trey Thompkins or PG Demetri McCamey based on talent, need and availability in the draft)
- Add C Jerome Jordan
- Maybe retain Kelenna Azubuike at a good price if healthy

With the rest of the roster a year more experienced and more comfortable, is that enough to make some noise in the EC next year? Enough to at least challenge Boston, Orlando?? It'll definitely be a better team than this year, question is how much better? Would that team be just as good as one with Melo only? Just curious what you guys think if that's what we were able to come up with.

well...our weakest statistics that need improvement are points allowed in the paint and O/D rebounding. If Kaman brings that it could equal more wins. I'd like to see this team hold opponents to 90 points a game...As it is, we can score on anybody so any improvements at the center position would be in protecting the paint and grabbing boards...if that center can also post up and bring a midrange game...it's a big improvement over any true center we have.

I think ideally though, MDA would take a big who can shoot the rock from outside...that would really open up the floor for Stat, but he is already a league leading scorer as it is so...my choice would be a big who can protect the paint and grab boards on both ends.
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1/4/2011  5:26 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:You guys have to do just a little bit of fact checking before you post.

You understand that we have to trade dollar for dollar (close to it) under the CBA. We would have to trade the whole team to get Carmelo AND Camby. Don't post that stuff when you know its not possible.

well, technically speaking, it is possible... just not sure if DEN or POR would accept those players back in return w/o multiple draft picks included

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5797882

you'd still be left with a championship calibre team:

C - Camby
PF - Amare
SF - Melo
SG - Fields
PG - Felton
6 - Williams
7 - Turiaf
8 - Douglas
9 - Walker
10 - Rautins

You know what, nice work on this. If I had a hotline to Donnie I would suggest this. Portland is a terrible trade partner, so they probably wouldn't do it, but this is at least interesting to think about. You lose your three point ability, but that team matches up better with Orlando and Boston than the current one.

if AR's trade value were anywhere near where it was when we got him for David Lee, i think it's a deal POR would easily make... unfortunately w/AR not getting any playing time, it's optimistic at best... unless AR can get some minutes to raise his trade value, i doubt we can get Camby back for him... of course it also hinges on what Melo's plans are & whether DEN is able to work out a deal w/another team to force DW's hand in these negotiations or not.

as for losing our 3 pt ability, i dunno if that's necessarily true... Williams is shooting an unreal % from 3 pt range this year, & Felton, Douglas & Walker are capable 3 pt shooters... then there's Rautins who we drafted because he was supposed to be a dead eye shooter... maybe he just needs the opportunity to show it as well? if he turns into JJ Reddick, we might have something there.

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