MSG3 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You are dealing with Khan who will never offer a first round pick. He knows he is headed lottery. No way he gives up a lottery pick unless they are holding someone else's pick.

I think they hold Utah's 1st round pick.

Wolves have Utah's 2011 (top 16 protected this year and Memphis's 2011 (top 14 protected this year). Their own 2011 belongs to Utah, but is top 10 protected this year so they'll keep it to- but next years the killer with it having no protection at all (did no one learn from Isiah's mistakes!).

I think maybe the Knicks could squeeze the Wolves for Ridnour and one of their 1st's for AR, if Johnny Flynn starts playing well and becomes a starter again- If they truly believe that Rubio is coming, and if Flynn is a keeper (though they're rumoured to be looking to trade him) then they may be able lose Ridnour and his salary. Only way we take him is if we've finally sorted out the Melo situation/ traded for players that wipe out our cap space in the offseason.

TMS wrote:sorry but unless we're getting back a fully unprotected pick, i'm passing on trading AR in any package for Telfair... Telfair has zero upside... he's a role player at best... a late 1st round pick can be purchased every year for cash... AR is 1 of our more valuable assets right now (or used to be anyway)... we need to build his value back up before trading him... buy low, sell high, isn't that the usual strategy for stock traders?

I agree. I just don't see anything with Telfair. The whole Dinglebury association is also gut wrenching. Pass please.

If we need AR off the team for cap space reasons you don't do a trade with Minnesota on just principle. Find another team.

The thing that is really crazy is that D'Antoni is hurting himself here. If he played Randolph then at least his value could go up and D'Antoni could get a player he values in a trade. D'Antoni as far as flexibility goes is like a young Larry Brown.

TMS wrote:sorry but unless we're getting back a fully unprotected pick, i'm passing on trading AR in any package for Telfair... Telfair has zero upside... he's a role player at best... a late 1st round pick can be purchased every year for cash... AR is 1 of our more valuable assets right now (or used to be anyway)... we need to build his value back up before trading him... buy low, sell high, isn't that the usual strategy for stock traders?

I agree with TMS.....

AR even not playing has more value then Telfair and a late pick

But I would do AR for Rubio and a pick!!

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Oh yeah and i'm against trading him. I want to keep working with him and see if we can get him going. Trades won't bring back good enough value.

I agree but at some point you have to let him play and see if he can get it going. AR can't do that from the bench. A few minutes here and there will not hurt his value but it could help him regain his confidence. I'm not even talking about making him a part of the rotation at this point.

nixluva wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:No way would I do the proposed trade. Regardless of AR's playing time, he is worth more than Telfair and a late first round pick, which is basically saying $3 million.

If we need AR off the team for cap space reasons you don't do a trade with Minnesota on just principle. Find another team.

The thing that is really crazy is that D'Antoni is hurting himself here. If he played Randolph then at least his value could go up and D'Antoni could get a player he values in a trade. D'Antoni as far as flexibility goes is like a young Larry Brown.

WHAT? How could AR's value go up if he kept playing and doing poorly? You mean you HOPE that if he kept playing that he'd do something eventually that would raise his value. FOr that to happen he would have to have done a WHOLE LOT better and if he did then we wouldn't be talking about trading him!!!! You hide prospects like him if you think he's not gonna shine. MDA actually protected him by keeping the mystery there of his potential, rather than play him knowing he was lost right now and unable to show what he can do in this offense. It's not a good fit for him and he would keep missing and taking bad shots. Better to not expose him like that.

Oh yeah and i'm against trading him. I want to keep working with him and see if we can get him going. Trades won't bring back good enough value.

My point is that his value can't get any lower than where it is. I mean a late first round pick is not worth but 3 million. I don't want to trade him either but I have a feeling he is not the right player for coach. I don't disagree with what you are saying, it's rather the coach being a big part of the problem imo. You can find a few minutes here and there for a lotto pick that so many say has all star potential. This is why I made the Larry Brown remark. Coach is trying to mode AR into something that I'm afraid he can't become.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Oh yeah and i'm against trading him. I want to keep working with him and see if we can get him going. Trades won't bring back good enough value.

I agree but at some point you have to let him play and see if he can get it going. AR can't do that from the bench. A few minutes here and there will not hurt his value but it could help him regain his confidence. I'm not even talking about making him a part of the rotation at this point.

Have you been watching the games...when AR plays, we lose...I'd rather have the wins then care about some kids confidence.

No to trade unless the PG is Rubio.

GustavBahler wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Oh yeah and i'm against trading him. I want to keep working with him and see if we can get him going. Trades won't bring back good enough value.

I agree but at some point you have to let him play and see if he can get it going. AR can't do that from the bench. A few minutes here and there will not hurt his value but it could help him regain his confidence. I'm not even talking about making him a part of the rotation at this point.

Have you been watching the games...when AR plays, we lose...I'd rather have the wins then care about some kids confidence.

No to trade unless the PG is Rubio.

Yes I have been watching the games. I watched how they started winning when Gallo, Felton, and Chandler stopped chucking shots non-stop from behind the arc and started driving to the rim more. I watched as Felton and Stat got the P&R down and Felton became more of a floor general. I watched as their ball movement improved. AR was having problems but he wasn't winning or losing any games. Maybe you should start watching the games more closely.

I see AR shooting as soon as he gets it and not defending or rebounding.

What's the infatuation with playing someone that isn't ready? This is his SECOND dog house...nelly plays everybody and the kid didn't get it.

I'd rather focus on timofey.

Why the love affair with playing AR.