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12/27/2010  1:27 AM
It's that time of year again - Another year has passed, and a few members of of the 2008 NBA draft class have either had new opportunities or elevated their games. Are there any players who we'd rather have than Gallo?

Before Gallo:
Rose
Beasley
Mayo
Westbrook
Love

Beasley is averaging a solid 21.4ppg/6.1rpg this season, albeit on a lottery team. He still remains the shortest 6'10" player in the NBA, but finally he's having an opportunity to showcase his potential. There are still questions about his mental side, but he's doing it from a production standpoint. Love has also turned things up - on the same lottery team. 20.9ppg, 15.6rpg, while shooting 43.5% from 3pt land.
Mayo appears to have regressed, and isn't in the same class as the rest (or even Gallo).

Gallo has stagnated statistically this year, mainly due to the Knicks improving from a talent perspective. Last year he was very arguably our most talented player. This season (in spite of him improving his game), he's probably the 4th or even 5th best player on the team, thanks to Stoudemire, Felton, Fields... and also Chandler improving at a better rate than Gallo.

Post Gallo: (just a few notables)
Gordon (7)
DJ Augustin (9)
Lopez (10)
Lopez II (15)
Hibbert (17)
McGee (18)
Ibaka (24)
Batum (25)
George Hill (26)
DeAndre Jordan (35)
Bill Walker (47)

Gordon is putting up all-star numbers this year, elevating his game across the board. With that said, he's still a 6'3" SG - not necessarily what I'd want as a key component to my team. Augustin is having a decent first season as a starter, though nothing really eye-popping. A 5'11" PG isn't necessarily ideal.
Here comes the tricky part. There have been some incredibly productive centers who were drafted relatively late. Lopez brothers aside (Robin Lopez has been hurt), Hibbert, McGee, and Ibaka, have been putting up very respectable numbers at a difficult position to fill. Hibbert has been putting up all-star level numbers.

Of the rest of these folks, I'd still probably only take Brook Lopez and Hibbert.

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12/27/2010  2:01 AM
Beasley, Love, Gordon, B. Lopez, etc. ... After 3 years- look at the records of the teams they are on, despite their stats. Mayo's value has really tanked- he has failed this year to push his team to the next level, and Augustin, when given the chance to replace Felton, has been adequate at best. And lets not forget Randolph, a player many loved prior to that draft.

Gallinari, like Fields, is the kind of player who will perform according to the team or system he plays in, and what the coach asks of him. I expect that if he was playing on Minnesota or the Clippers, he would be averaging 18-20 PPG. I also think that Fields could be averaging 15+PPG on certain teams.

I think that Gallo's position in that draft was pretty accurate, to be honest, and people who are looking at stat lines are not understanding the value of certain kinds of players to their teams.

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12/27/2010  2:37 AM
I pretty much agree with Paladin. You can't just look at numbers. Gallo is playing pretty well in his role. For sure he could average quite a bit more but he is not the 1st or 2nd option, which is what we saw him as. What is odd, is that he was the number 1 option in Italy, but I guess he sees what he is going up against here is a bit higher?

Anyway, it looks like we did pretty good with our pick of Gallo. Gordon sure is putting up stats but he is really small. I wonder if he would hurt us defensively. Look at how Gallo's length really helps him, would Gordon have the opposite affect? Would Gordon be as good here in a reduced role? Really hard to know these things. We are sitting pretty.

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12/27/2010  2:41 AM
Outside of Rose and Westrbrook, and I guess Love (not sold on him as a winning player, guy is very similar to Lee, but with better range) the draft is pretty crappy. Hibbert of course is a beast all of a sudden this year though. I don't know, still not a very impressive draft.
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12/27/2010  8:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2010  8:22 AM
Really, you could argue that everyone except maybe Mayo, is as good or better than Gallo. Gallo was drafted about right where he should have been and I still would take Lopez over him. However, I am not disappointed in Gallo. I just hope he can take his game to that next level and become a more consistent scorer.
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12/27/2010  9:09 AM
simrud wrote:Outside of Rose and Westrbrook, and I guess Love (not sold on him as a winning player, guy is very similar to Lee, but with better range) the draft is pretty crappy. Hibbert of course is a beast all of a sudden this year though. I don't know, still not a very impressive draft.

At the time it was touted as a pretty deep draft, if I remember correctly, but as the years pass, the evidence comes in and we reevaluate.

With that said, in another 3-5 years it could be seen as a good draft crop again, IMO. The younger the draft class, the longer it takes to determine how good it was. If you had this discussion last year, the stock for Love, Beasley, and Hibbert would have been down, and Mayo's would have been higher, and as we all know, there had been those on UK who called Gallo a bust early on.

Come back in a year and see where this discussion is at.

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12/27/2010  10:54 AM
Paladin55 wrote:Beasley, Love, Gordon, B. Lopez, etc. ... After 3 years- look at the records of the teams they are on, despite their stats. Mayo's value has really tanked- he has failed this year to push his team to the next level, and Augustin, when given the chance to replace Felton, has been adequate at best. And lets not forget Randolph, a player many loved prior to that draft.

Gallinari, like Fields, is the kind of player who will perform according to the team or system he plays in, and what the coach asks of him. I expect that if he was playing on Minnesota or the Clippers, he would be averaging 18-20 PPG. I also think that Fields could be averaging 15+PPG on certain teams.

I think that Gallo's position in that draft was pretty accurate, to be honest, and people who are looking at stat lines are not understanding the value of certain kinds of players to their teams.

I agree completely and if we go from a talent standpoint, Amare is the only player on the knicks with more "talent" than gallo.. and when I talk talent, I am talking skillset... Gallo can pretty much do anything offensively except post up consistently. he is pretty savy when he does post up. he goes left on this team and uses his left better than anyone... AR has a lot of "natural bball talent, but is a little lost mentally).. chandler has improved but does not have "natural" basketball skills.. No left hand whatsoever, and tunnel vision when he drives with the ball...

Shawne williams is also a Talent, but right now needs to expand his game a bit...

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12/27/2010  10:56 AM
I also think down the road, when traded, you will see a much better OJ mayo.... I still think he is as talented as anyone in this draft...
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12/27/2010  11:18 AM
This will probably go down as one of the top draft classes ever, both in terms of talent and depth. We might be looking at as many as 8-9 all-stars, at least 2 HOFers if all goes well (Rose & Westbrook)... and maybe 20 of 'em have already gotten starter minutes for long stretches in their relatively short careers. 15+ look like starters for at least 5-10 years. And another 5-10 will be solid bench contributors.

The only complete busts in the first round in total (no production at all!):
#8 - Joe Alexander, #30 JR Giddens
Everyone else is still sticking around and has some limited level of production. You could argue that Anthony Randolph (at least based on this year's production) is the 3rd worst first rounder from that draft.

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12/27/2010  11:26 AM
I would still have taken Gallo at the same spot. Of the dudes taken ahead of him, I would have selected Rose, Westbrook, or Love ahead of Gallo (in hindsight) as they are more consistent and play at a higher level. But I do NOT doubt Gallo will be top three in that draft class at some point. It's just going to take him a bit longer to get there.
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12/27/2010  11:30 AM
Gallo, this far has performed as the 8th best player in the draft, so you can argue he was picked 2 spots too early but its close. The only player you can argue that hasn't out-performed Gallo that was picked before him this year is Mayo (but I think its more to do with Memphis than him). Eric Gordon and Brook Lopez are the only players picked after Gallo that has put together better individual numbers. To be honest, after Mayo was picked ahead of us, I wanted Eric Gordon. Yes, he's small, but he's a lights out shooter who I thought would work well with MDA and he's strong as an ox. With that said, Gallo has put toegther a good season. Inconsistant, but still good.
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12/27/2010  12:13 PM
Of all those picks in that draft NO ONE HAS SCORED MORE 3's then Gallo THIS YEAR!!!

Other then Augastine NO ONE has a better FT %

Rose Westbrook Lopez Gordon and Beasley ALL avg at least twice as many TO then Gallo.

Rose is his team #1 option...... As is Lopez!!
Westbrook Gordon and Beasley are all # 2 options.

We beat all their teams this year mind you!!

Gallo at best is our 4th option on this team at least that is what his shot attempts suggest.
He has has 5th most shots on our team.... That is just a fact

Amare shoots more as does Felton Wilson and Toney D on our team.


Gallo proved last year that as 1st or second option he can avg over 20 a game......

He has not played as good as he will play and yet he still is better then anyone other then Rose and
Westbrook from that draft...

Walsh made right pick with Gallo......... Ohhh and I'm not alone in my thinking folks Gallo is also
top 11 in Jersey sales in NBA...... Ahead of everyone from that draft other then Rose!!!

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12/27/2010  12:15 PM
tkf wrote:I also think down the road, when traded, you will see a much better OJ mayo.... I still think he is as talented as anyone in this draft...

I totally agree....... Hope we get him.

Then put Ill will on bench as killer 6th man put Gallo at 4 and Fields at the 3 and we are set!!

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12/27/2010  12:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2010  12:27 PM
Eric Gordon is the only guy taken after Gallo i might think twice about... he's turned himself into 1 of the best young SG's in the game... out of the guys taken before Gallo i'd take Rose, Westbrook or possibly Love over Gallo, but none of them would have been available anyway.

i still remember the panic that erupted on these forums when we passed up on Jerryd Bayless... good times.

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12/27/2010  12:32 PM
We played the Clippers this year and you could see the difference between Gordon and Gallo

Gordon always has ball in his hands...... Gallo RARELY gets touches!!

Gallo can Avg more assists then Gordon if he brought ball up every play.... Thats my opinion!!

Would love to have LOVE on this team...... Think he is perfect C for this system!!

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12/27/2010  12:39 PM
umynot wrote:Of all those picks in that draft NO ONE HAS SCORED MORE 3's then Gallo THIS YEAR!!!

Other then Augastine NO ONE has a better FT %

Rose Westbrook Lopez Gordon and Beasley ALL avg at least twice as many TO then Gallo.

Rose is his team #1 option...... As is Lopez!!
Westbrook Gordon and Beasley are all # 2 options.

We beat all their teams this year mind you!!

Gallo at best is our 4th option on this team at least that is what his shot attempts suggest.
He has has 5th most shots on our team.... That is just a fact

Amare shoots more as does Felton Wilson and Toney D on our team.

Gallo proved last year that as 1st or second option he can avg over 20 a game......

He has not played as good as he will play and yet he still is better then anyone other then Rose and
Westbrook from that draft...

Walsh made right pick with Gallo......... Ohhh and I'm not alone in my thinking folks Gallo is also
top 11 in Jersey sales in NBA...... Ahead of everyone from that draft other then Rose!!!

other than felton and amare. no one should be touching or shooting the ball more than gallo...it is silly that TD is taking a lot of shots as well as chandler... the ball should not be in those guys hands as much unless they are in position to shoot open shots or finish at the hoop. other than that, leaving those two to make decisions with the ball is asking for trouble, they will just hoist up a shot... But hey, I like gallo's productivity even with less shots and we are winning which is most important..

I really like fields a ton and I think he can still be effective for 25-30mpg even off the bench.. Getting a guy like OJ mayo to play SG and even some backup point would make our offense even better.. may even make some forget about melo.. maybe?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/27/2010  12:42 PM
TMS wrote:Eric Gordon is the only guy taken after Gallo i might think twice about... he's turned himself into 1 of the best young SG's in the game... out of the guys taken before Gallo i'd take Rose, Westbrook or possibly Love over Gallo, but none of them would have been available anyway.

i still remember the panic that erupted on these forums when we passed up on Jerryd Bayless... good times.

gordon is a very nice player.. But I can't take his stats or blake griffin stats too serious(but serious enough) being on such a losing team... Gordon is a good player, so is blake for that matter, but since we are talking just gordon here. Not sure I want him starting as my SG. he does take a lot of shots and I just wonder how effective of a player he would be with less shots and touches. I still like OJ mayo better as I think he has a more complete game, from his scoring, to his playmaking abilities... If mayo was with the clippers in gordon's situation, he would be putting up some sick, sick numbers...

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12/27/2010  12:42 PM
This is the first summer that Gallo has had a chance to practice, and in essence this would be somewhere near/into his second year's worth of games.

Where do you see him in a year or 2?

All I know is that last year Chandler was inconsistent, bad shooter from 3point land (27%), made bad decision after bad decision and now look at him.

What kind of player is Gallo next year?

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12/27/2010  12:43 PM
tkf wrote:
umynot wrote:Of all those picks in that draft NO ONE HAS SCORED MORE 3's then Gallo THIS YEAR!!!

Other then Augastine NO ONE has a better FT %

Rose Westbrook Lopez Gordon and Beasley ALL avg at least twice as many TO then Gallo.

Rose is his team #1 option...... As is Lopez!!
Westbrook Gordon and Beasley are all # 2 options.

We beat all their teams this year mind you!!

Gallo at best is our 4th option on this team at least that is what his shot attempts suggest.
He has has 5th most shots on our team.... That is just a fact

Amare shoots more as does Felton Wilson and Toney D on our team.

Gallo proved last year that as 1st or second option he can avg over 20 a game......

He has not played as good as he will play and yet he still is better then anyone other then Rose and
Westbrook from that draft...

Walsh made right pick with Gallo......... Ohhh and I'm not alone in my thinking folks Gallo is also
top 11 in Jersey sales in NBA...... Ahead of everyone from that draft other then Rose!!!

other than felton and amare. no one should be touching or shooting the ball more than gallo...it is silly that TD is taking a lot of shots as well as chandler... the ball should not be in those guys hands as much unless they are in position to shoot open shots or finish at the hoop. other than that, leaving those two to make decisions with the ball is asking for trouble, they will just hoist up a shot... But hey, I like gallo's productivity even with less shots and we are winning which is most important..

I really like fields a ton and I think he can still be effective for 25-30mpg even off the bench.. Getting a guy like OJ mayo to play SG and even some backup point would make our offense even better.. may even make some forget about melo.. maybe?

wow i'm really surprised to hear you make this comment about chandler. his decisoin-making, handle and shot-making seem SO much improved this year to me and constitute a major reason for our team success. you think he's a liability with the ball in his hands????
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12/27/2010  12:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2010  12:48 PM
tkf wrote:
TMS wrote:Eric Gordon is the only guy taken after Gallo i might think twice about... he's turned himself into 1 of the best young SG's in the game... out of the guys taken before Gallo i'd take Rose, Westbrook or possibly Love over Gallo, but none of them would have been available anyway.

i still remember the panic that erupted on these forums when we passed up on Jerryd Bayless... good times.

gordon is a very nice player.. But I can't take his stats or blake griffin stats too serious(but serious enough) being on such a losing team... Gordon is a good player, so is blake for that matter, but since we are talking just gordon here. Not sure I want him starting as my SG. he does take a lot of shots and I just wonder how effective of a player he would be with less shots and touches. I still like OJ mayo better as I think he has a more complete game, from his scoring, to his playmaking abilities... If mayo was with the clippers in gordon's situation, he would be putting up some sick, sick numbers...

Not sure thats a fair statement. Gallo's first two years were on losing teams aswell. He's winning this year mainly because he's playing beside a legit MVP candidate. Gordon doesn't have that luxury.
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