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Killa4luv
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12/26/2010  12:38 PM
Our needs from a big a limited. Be big. Grab some boards. Block/alter some shots. Put a body on the few centers in this league. Dunk the ball when Felton gives it to you under the basket. Crash the offensive glass. These are guys who do most of those things and are Free Agents.

Nazr Mohammed - We all know and respect him. When he played with Steph he was damn near an all-star. He's an excellent complimentary piece for our style of play. He's my top choice of all of the FA bigs.

Joel Pryzbilla- Big azz dude, blocks shots, grabs boards. Dont know if he can keep up but I know his presence makes a big difference on the defensive end. Haven't seen him play much in the last few years, but I remember his game.

Samuel Dalembert- coming off of a big contract, couldn't realistically be expecting anything close to that, but he's gonna need to be paid there's no question about that. B Locks shots, rebounds, is athletic and could easily finish with Felton dishing it to him (although he doesn't have the best hands). 2 questions are how much will he cost, and is it worth considering his history of injury and inconsistency. He is still under 30 (28 or 29) and could turn into exactly what we need from a big. He's Haitian. Why does this matter? He'd probably be the first Haitian player on the knicks, and that could mean alot for Haitians in the city, which could be a good motivator for him to perform and not disappoint his constituency.

Kwame Brown- I'm probably crazy for mentioning his name, but hes not making much money now and not expected to make much as a free agent either. He's tall athletic, and could fit in as a back up playing 20 minutes a night along with another big or 2 of his calibur.

Etan Thomas- Beast on the boards. A little undersized a on the wrong side of 30. cheap. Progressive politics are a plus. could be a good veteran backup for cheap.

Dan Gadzuric- wrong side of 30. Free agent. Dont know what kind of money he'd be looking for, but he could be a very good backup as well.

Nenad Kristic- Can Score but is not a defender. May not be the perfect fit, but if he could be had relatively cheaply (which I'm not sure he can)

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12/26/2010  12:44 PM
Anthony Randolf...
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12/26/2010  12:46 PM
1) Merry Christmas to you and yours Killa.

2) I actually don't mind the idea of putting Sam D. in the starting lineup to take some of the pressure on defense, off of Amar'e. That way he can go back and guard the 4s and we can put Wilson back on the bench which will give it a much needed CONSISTENT scoring punch.... as well as a good defender. I also wouldn't mind Etan Thomas as a backup. Having both wouldn't be bad at all. How it happens? I don't know at all. I'm not a fantasy trader.

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12/26/2010  12:46 PM
holfresh wrote:Anthony Randolf...

He's not ready to play.

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Killa4luv
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12/26/2010  12:53 PM
Merry Xmas Allan.

AR is a PF/SF. He has some skills and could help us in some ways, but hes not the big we need to anchor our D and relieve Amare.

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12/26/2010  1:03 PM
add Spencer Hawes to this list, tho he's a RFA.
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12/26/2010  1:07 PM
Pryz is a guy I like because he is a defensive monster and hits the boards with regularity. Anthony Randolph should be better than Gadzuric, Thomas and Brown at this point.
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12/26/2010  1:13 PM
I like Pryz personally, but he has injury issues.

I am really leaning towards the fact that it has to be a backup PF/C because the offense if just too damn good with Chandler at the 4.

Couple that with the fact that there are hardly any real post-up centers in the league, and the Amare/Chandler front-court if fine. Maybe Chandler has to add some bulk in the off-season.

The money assets / money should be spend on a backup PF/C, backup PG good for 10 minutes at most, and a bench scoring wing player.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/26/2010  1:35 PM
IMO if we have to choose between marginal C's like Gadzuric or Kwame Brown who would be just as likely to be spending most of their time on the bench next to Mozgov, we'd be much better off targetting a top rebounding PF like Reggie Evans or a guy like Carl Landry who can actually score in the post.
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12/26/2010  1:49 PM
TMS wrote:IMO if we have to choose between marginal C's like Gadzuric or Kwame Brown who would be just as likely to be spending most of their time on the bench next to Mozgov, we'd be much better off targetting a top rebounding PF like Reggie Evans or a guy like Carl Landry who can actually score in the post.

Yup, I see no reason to waste money on a guy that isn't gonna play. The perfect guy is Landry, cuz he can actually score.
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12/26/2010  1:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2010  2:00 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Anthony Randolf...

He's not ready to play.

Let's give him the shot the Mosgov got...we don't need to offense from him right now...How hard is it to get across to the kid we need defense, rebounds and block shots...Tell him he needs to play like a big man and stand under the basket but stay out of Amare's way...That can be coached if the coach wants to coach...It didn't take Doc Rivers long to straighten out Nate...

The whole problem is the Knicks can make a move until the whole Melo issue is resolved...They won't be adding any salary to help the frontline anytime soon...Right now you have to love the one ur with...

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12/26/2010  2:38 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Our needs from a big a limited. Be big. Grab some boards. Block/alter some shots. Put a body on the few centers in this league. Dunk the ball when Felton gives it to you under the basket. Crash the offensive glass. These are guys who do most of those things and are Free Agents.

Nazr Mohammed - We all know and respect him. When he played with Steph he was damn near an all-star. He's an excellent complimentary piece for our style of play. He's my top choice of all of the FA bigs.

Joel Pryzbilla- Big azz dude, blocks shots, grabs boards. Dont know if he can keep up but I know his presence makes a big difference on the defensive end. Haven't seen him play much in the last few years, but I remember his game.

Samuel Dalembert- coming off of a big contract, couldn't realistically be expecting anything close to that, but he's gonna need to be paid there's no question about that. B Locks shots, rebounds, is athletic and could easily finish with Felton dishing it to him (although he doesn't have the best hands). 2 questions are how much will he cost, and is it worth considering his history of injury and inconsistency. He is still under 30 (28 or 29) and could turn into exactly what we need from a big. He's Haitian. Why does this matter? He'd probably be the first Haitian player on the knicks, and that could mean alot for Haitians in the city, which could be a good motivator for him to perform and not disappoint his constituency.

Kwame Brown- I'm probably crazy for mentioning his name, but hes not making much money now and not expected to make much as a free agent either. He's tall athletic, and could fit in as a back up playing 20 minutes a night along with another big or 2 of his calibur.

Etan Thomas- Beast on the boards. A little undersized a on the wrong side of 30. cheap. Progressive politics are a plus. could be a good veteran backup for cheap.

Dan Gadzuric- wrong side of 30. Free agent. Dont know what kind of money he'd be looking for, but he could be a very good backup as well.

Nenad Kristic- Can Score but is not a defender. May not be the perfect fit, but if he could be had relatively cheaply (which I'm not sure he can)

When talking about dalembert I don't know why you say history of injuries. He is never hurt. Look at his games played over his career.

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12/26/2010  2:45 PM
holfresh wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Anthony Randolf...

He's not ready to play.

Let's give him the shot the Mosgov got...we don't need to offense from him right now...How hard is it to get across to the kid we need defense, rebounds and block shots...Tell him he needs to play like a big man and stand under the basket but stay out of Amare's way...That can be coached if the coach wants to coach...It didn't take Doc Rivers long to straighten out Nate...

The whole problem is the Knicks can make a move until the whole Melo issue is resolved...They won't be adding any salary to help the frontline anytime soon...Right now you have to love the one ur with...

a minimum salary acquisition wouldn't effect the Melo situation & might possibly address our need for some toughness up front... Earl Barron is out there, or we could consider any # of possible options in the D Leagues or unsigned FA's... limited upside in those types of signings but it's worth a shot... we have nothing to lose other than waiving a guy like Roger Mason who wasn't seeing playing time anyway.

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12/26/2010  3:16 PM
I'm no big Earl Barron fan, but I believe he can give you the same kind of play Nazr Mohammed gives you at this point in his career. Remember Nazr was awful defensively, no shotblocking, no awareness, no help defense. The thing he was good at was rebounding. Very good rebounder.
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12/26/2010  3:19 PM
Greg Oden & Spencer Hawes
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12/26/2010  3:23 PM
simrud wrote:I like Pryz personally, but he has injury issues.

I am really leaning towards the fact that it has to be a backup PF/C because the offense if just too damn good with Chandler at the 4.

Couple that with the fact that there are hardly any real post-up centers in the league, and the Amare/Chandler front-court if fine. Maybe Chandler has to add some bulk in the off-season.

The money assets / money should be spend on a backup PF/C, backup PG good for 10 minutes at most, and a bench scoring wing player.

We are not built to win the east with a frontline of Chandler/Amare. Chicago owned us on the boards on Xmas day and if it were not for that we would have blown them out.

they got 17 offensive rebounds to our 6. We need a real big badly. We are not built to win it all with Amare at 5, period.

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12/26/2010  3:26 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Greg Oden & Spencer Hawes

Whomever ends up with Oden when he finally gets himself healthy is going to be extremely happy. I think he's worth taking a chance on. That will be one of the interesting things to watch in FA. A) what kind of offer sheet will Portland not match, B) how much can you reasonably offer a guy who can't make it through a full year?

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12/26/2010  3:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2010  3:39 PM
VDesai wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Greg Oden & Spencer Hawes

Whomever ends up with Oden when he finally gets himself healthy is going to be extremely happy. I think he's worth taking a chance on. That will be one of the interesting things to watch in FA. A) what kind of offer sheet will Portland not match, B) how much can you reasonably offer a guy who can't make it through a full year?

Oden is never going to remain healthy. I wouldn't tkae a chance on him. HOw many games has he played through his rookie contract as a young 30 something year old?
No way.
he has played 13 games in 2 years. 13 games!! No effing way.

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12/26/2010  3:38 PM
Killa4luv wrote:
VDesai wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Greg Oden & Spencer Hawes

Whomever ends up with Oden when he finally gets himself healthy is going to be extremely happy. I think he's worth taking a chance on. That will be one of the interesting things to watch in FA. A) what kind of offer sheet will Portland not match, B) how much can you reasonably offer a guy who can't make it through a full year?

Oden is never going to remain healthy. I wouldn't tkae a chance on him. HOw many games has he played through his rookie contract as a young 30 something year old?
No way.

I think Oden will get some healthy years in there. All jokes aside the guy is 22 and when he has played he has proven to be a beast on the boards and as a shotblocker. Where he ends up could tip some scales.

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12/26/2010  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2010  3:54 PM
VDesai wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
VDesai wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Greg Oden & Spencer Hawes

Whomever ends up with Oden when he finally gets himself healthy is going to be extremely happy. I think he's worth taking a chance on. That will be one of the interesting things to watch in FA. A) what kind of offer sheet will Portland not match, B) how much can you reasonably offer a guy who can't make it through a full year?

Oden is never going to remain healthy. I wouldn't tkae a chance on him. HOw many games has he played through his rookie contract as a young 30 something year old?
No way.

I think Oden will get some healthy years in there. All jokes aside the guy is 22 and when he has played he has proven to be a beast on the boards and as a shotblocker. Where he ends up could tip some scales.

Yup. He's had a tough break his past four years, but let's not forget that Camby was Mr. Glass as well, and no one expected him to be as durable as he is now and still be playing at age 36.

With that said though, Camby was a twig when he was young and filled out. Oden, on the other hand...just seems unnaturally brittle for his size. Reminds me of that movie Unbreakable with Samuel L. Jackson.

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