Can anyone explain this to me? Is having a home grown player so important to you that you would turn down a chance to get better? Would you have kept Bill Cartwright and John Starks over Charles Oakley and Latrell Sprewell? Would a 1999 title not have meant much for you because Spree, Larry Johnson Allan Houston, Marcus Camby, Chris Childs, Kurt Thomas and Chris Dudley weren't drafted here?

Explain this craziness to me!!

iSergio wrote:I think some here are against some future trades because we would be trading a "home grown" talent like Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler.

Can anyone explain this to me? Is having a home grown player so important to you that you would turn down a chance to get better? Would you have kept Bill Cartwright and John Starks over Charles Oakley and Latrell Sprewell? Would a 1999 title not have meant much for you because Spree, Larry Johnson Allan Houston, Marcus Camby, Chris Childs, Kurt Thomas and Chris Dudley weren't drafted here?

Explain this craziness to me!!

If your a Yankee fan then would know... that yes, winning a title with core of players you watched grow together is more rewarding than buying the best talent and winning that way.

The problem is you think homegrown talent is the reason why people dont want to trade for Melo. You just dont listen whats being said. Melo isnt worth Gallo, Chandler, Fields and AR. THATS the issue, not who drafted who.

Pretty sure Amare and Felton have been well embraced here no?

of COURSE it means more when a lifer wins a title for you. we've all been through this together. the cat's bled orange and blue along with the rest of us.

how can anyone possibly say they’re not driven to see this guy collect the ring for the bockers:

Melo's ceiling is higher than all of them, but he doesn't come without his own flaws and the Knicks want to have enough left to field a true contender.

Home grown talent isn't the be-all, end-all, but it can be an advantage if a GM has enough information to make the right decision.

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:I think some here are against some future trades because we would be trading a "home grown" talent like Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler.

Can anyone explain this to me? Is having a home grown player so important to you that you would turn down a chance to get better? Would you have kept Bill Cartwright and John Starks over Charles Oakley and Latrell Sprewell? Would a 1999 title not have meant much for you because Spree, Larry Johnson Allan Houston, Marcus Camby, Chris Childs, Kurt Thomas and Chris Dudley weren't drafted here?

Explain this craziness to me!!

If the Knicks had signed Michael Jordan after his first retirement would that had meant as much?

If your a Yankee fan then would know... that yes, winning a title with core of players you watched grow together is more rewarding than buying the best talent and winning that way.

The problem is you think homegrown talent is the reason why people dont want to trade for Melo. You just dont listen whats being said. Melo isnt worth Gallo, Chandler, Fields and AR. THATS the issue, not who drafted who.

Pretty sure Amare and Felton have been well embraced here no?

Thank you. Nothing about home grown talent. We argue about the cost and the current situation. I think everyone here would want Melo but not at the asking price specially with the special circumstance that we have.

Marv wrote:wow what a bunch of cold-hearted fcks.

of COURSE it means more when a lifer wins a title for you. we've all been through this together. the cat's bled orange and blue along with the rest of us.

how can anyone possibly say they’re not driven to see this guy collect the ring for the bockers:

we could have won championships if we kept these 2 together

Then there is the question about why the Knicks should pursue someone who plays a position that currently is being well taken care of with existing talent. Wouldn't concentrating on the Knicks current weaknesses make more sense? Also using the Knick's limited cap space on a small forward creates the possibility that the Knicks won't be able to get a higher quality addition in the Center/Power Forward area to shore up the Knicks interior defense and rebounding.

One final problem is the upside that I think Gallo and Chandler and Fields still possess. That has to be taken into account as well, when you are spending so much money on Melo. It seems the fact that the Celtics signed 2 superstars, so that they had 3 and then they won, is misleading a lot of people into thinking that winning in the NBA is a simple as bringing 3 superstars together on the same team. There are an awful lot of over paid players in the NBA, who played well for their previous team and then were paid top dollar to attract them to a new team. Just because Melo was successful for Denver, doesn't mean he is the right fit for the Knicks. Home grown talent is not the key issue. Its because Gallo, Chandler and Fields are all excellent contributors to the Knicks and they continue to improve that makes them so hard to give up on them for someone that simply may not fit properly despite his extremely high price tag.

rvwink wrote:It is not about just home grown talent. It is about unselfish players who already know MDA's system and fit well into it, compared to a player that not only doesn't know MDA's system, but also doesn't seem to be well suited for part if it. Melo's passing, defense, poor 3 point shooting, and relative selfishness as a volume shooter all create doubt about how well he will fit in.

Then there is the question about why the Knicks should pursue someone who plays a position that currently is being well taken care of with existing talent. Wouldn't concentrating on the Knicks current weaknesses make more sense? Also using the Knick's limited cap space on a small forward creates the possibility that the Knicks won't be able to get a higher quality addition in the Center/Power Forward area to shore up the Knicks interior defense and rebounding.

One final problem is the upside that I think Gallo and Chandler and Fields still possess. That has to be taken into account as well, when you are spending so much money on Melo. It seems the fact that the Celtics signed 2 superstars, so that they had 3 and then they won, is misleading a lot of people into thinking that winning in the NBA is a simple as bringing 3 superstars together on the same team. There are an awful lot of over paid players in the NBA, who played well for their previous team and then were paid top dollar to attract them to a new team. Just because Melo was successful for Denver, doesn't mean he is the right fit for the Knicks. Home grown talent is not the key issue. Its because Gallo, Chandler and Fields are all excellent contributors to the Knicks and they continue to improve that makes them so hard to give up on them for someone that simply may not fit properly despite his extremely high price tag.

rvwink--what do you think about Tayshaun prince Deandre Jordan see if we can acquire OJ Mayo and resign Will Chandler for next year?maybe draft or vet min for a PG
Basically keeping the same team--adding two very nice pieces to the bench + a C who is young up and coming. I think something along these lines--where you spend less and keep what is place is a better route. Id like to keep the team young as possible but really upgrade the bench the way the Mavericks do it--where they have two really good players + a C and a back up PG who is acceptable--they have Marion terry Haywood and Barea. You can mix and match a C in with Stoudemire during the game.

BRIGGS wrote:

rvwink wrote:It is not about just home grown talent. It is about unselfish players who already know MDA's system and fit well into it, compared to a player that not only doesn't know MDA's system, but also doesn't seem to be well suited for part if it. Melo's passing, defense, poor 3 point shooting, and relative selfishness as a volume shooter all create doubt about how well he will fit in.

Then there is the question about why the Knicks should pursue someone who plays a position that currently is being well taken care of with existing talent. Wouldn't concentrating on the Knicks current weaknesses make more sense? Also using the Knick's limited cap space on a small forward creates the possibility that the Knicks won't be able to get a higher quality addition in the Center/Power Forward area to shore up the Knicks interior defense and rebounding.

One final problem is the upside that I think Gallo and Chandler and Fields still possess. That has to be taken into account as well, when you are spending so much money on Melo. It seems the fact that the Celtics signed 2 superstars, so that they had 3 and then they won, is misleading a lot of people into thinking that winning in the NBA is a simple as bringing 3 superstars together on the same team. There are an awful lot of over paid players in the NBA, who played well for their previous team and then were paid top dollar to attract them to a new team. Just because Melo was successful for Denver, doesn't mean he is the right fit for the Knicks. Home grown talent is not the key issue. Its because Gallo, Chandler and Fields are all excellent contributors to the Knicks and they continue to improve that makes them so hard to give up on them for someone that simply may not fit properly despite his extremely high price tag.

rvwink--what do you think about Tayshaun prince Deandre Jordan see if we can acquire OJ Mayo and resign Will Chandler for next year?maybe draft or vet min for a PG
Basically keeping the same team--adding two very nice pieces to the bench + a C who is young up and coming. I think something along these lines--where you spend less and keep what is place is a better route. Id like to keep the team young as possible but really upgrade the bench the way the Mavericks do it--where they have two really good players + a C and a back up PG who is acceptable--they have Marion terry Haywood and Barea. You can mix and match a C in with Stoudemire during the game.

These kind of moves are what leads to consistent trips to the playoffs and beyond. The Melo move takes away core players and handicaps us finacially in our attempts to constantly improve the team. We just came from there, and it wasn't pretty. I would like to have a parade down B'way just like everyone else but it will be done by hitting singles and doubles, not by the home run.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:People like watching players grow into stars. They like having a Tim Duncan/Kobe Bryant/Dwayne Wade/MJ/Pippen/Starks/David Robinson/Derek Jeter type. I'm sure that Denver fans would ultimately love for Melo to stay and get a championship. For KG fans, seeing him win with Boston was nice but if he could won with Minnesota it would have been pretty awesome.

I'm sure Boston fans were happy yo see Paul Pierce finally win one after sticking with the Cs his entire career.

People love CC Sabathia but not like they love Jeter/Mo/Andy/Jorge. If you come as a FA aquisition or via trade you can still get love a la Tino Martinez.

It used to be the normal things for guys like Hakeem, David Robinson, Ewing,etc. to stay with one team their entire careers and try to carry them to a championship.

It's not entirely logical but it shouldn't be all that hard to understand. After not winning for so long I think Knicks fans recognize that it would be nice to see this current team grow and win one but have no problem winning with whoever we can bring in.

i've been a diehard Yankee fan my entire life... some of my favorite Yankees of alltime have been free agent signings & trade acquisitions... Reggie, O'Neill, Tino, Willie, A-Rod to name a few.

of course, every Yankee fan loves homegrown guys like Jeter, Mo, Andy, Jorge, Bernie, Donnie, etc., but what breeds a love for players in this town is winning, that's the bottomline... if you don't win, you're not likely to be beloved in this town... i think the same holds true for Knicks fans... guys like Starks, Oakley, LJ, Mason, Camby, Spree... these guys were huge fan favorites because they injected a winning spirit & competitive fire into this team... u can now add Amare & Felton's names to that list... it would be great to see Gallo, Wilson & Fields grow into perennial fan favorites & help this team win a lot of games over their careers, but none of those guys are untouchables.