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BRIGGS
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12/19/2010  5:57 PM
is going to cost us 8.6mm in cap space--that is way way too much. We may lose a great ballplayer for guys who do nothing for us. Id rather trade our potential players for ending contracts. 1 Wilson Chandler is worth 20 of these non-contributors. Im not killing the Knicks for doing this--but on the other hand now that we know what is up--we need to get out of these contracts. Its possible Turriaf--if he has a good year opts out.
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12/19/2010  6:01 PM
Mason is an expiring contract
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12/19/2010  6:02 PM
Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.
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12/19/2010  6:32 PM
Rautins contract is not guaranteed for next season.
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12/19/2010  6:33 PM
nyvector16 wrote:Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.

It wont kill us if/when he starts playing well.

That's if D'Antoni gives him a chance to play again.

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12/19/2010  6:42 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.

It wont kill us if/when he starts playing well.

That's if D'Antoni gives him a chance to play again.

This give him a chance to play rap is tired. He plays, but is not a results type player. No rebounds and a poor defensive effort will keep you on the bench

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12/19/2010  6:49 PM
Its about 27 games into Mozgov's career. Give him a chance to develop. I wouldn't characterize his contract as a cap eater at this point.
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12/19/2010  6:57 PM
Mozgov is fine. Anthony Randolph is a goner. He could end up becoming a very good player but he needs minutes on a bad team.
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12/19/2010  7:20 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.

It wont kill us if/when he starts playing well.

That's if D'Antoni gives him a chance to play again.

This give him a chance to play rap is tired. He plays, but is not a results type player. No rebounds and a poor defensive effort will keep you on the bench

Okay, so he's a scrub because he hasn't impressed you in his rookie year even though he is a foreigner who barely speaks english.

Cool.

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12/19/2010  7:35 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.

It wont kill us if/when he starts playing well.

That's if D'Antoni gives him a chance to play again.

This give him a chance to play rap is tired. He plays, but is not a results type player. No rebounds and a poor defensive effort will keep you on the bench

Okay, so he's a scrub because he hasn't impressed you in his rookie year even though he is a foreigner who barely speaks english.

Cool.

Its pretty simple--Mosgov's contract could impede losing Wilson Chandler. That would be horrific.
If we get rid of these contracts we can sign Melo and retain Chandler. Then these stupid trade 3 starters for melo can go away. I think it would be easier to rid ourselves of these contracts by using the *potential* of Mosgov and Randolph for an ending contract vet who can help now. Id trade both of them with rautins to Houston for Jefferies and a 2011 2nd rounder. We dont need potential anymore--we need players who can go.

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12/19/2010  7:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2010  7:52 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.

It wont kill us if/when he starts playing well.

That's if D'Antoni gives him a chance to play again.

This give him a chance to play rap is tired. He plays, but is not a results type player. No rebounds and a poor defensive effort will keep you on the bench

Okay, so he's a scrub because he hasn't impressed you in his rookie year even though he is a foreigner who barely speaks english.

Cool.

Its pretty simple--Mosgov's contract could impede losing Wilson Chandler. That would be horrific.
If we get rid of these contracts we can sign Melo and retain Chandler. Then these stupid trade 3 starters for melo can go away. I think it would be easier to rid ourselves of these contracts by using the *potential* of Mosgov and Randolph for an ending contract vet who can help now. Id trade both of them with rautins to Houston for Jefferies and a 2011 2nd rounder. We dont need potential anymore--we need players who can go.

Wilson Chandler is redundant on this team.

If Mozgov continues his development his importance to this team will be much more significant than Wilson with Carmelo here. We need a big man. It would make more sense to trade Chandler for one than keep him around with Carmelo.

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12/19/2010  7:57 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:Mason is a one year deal. You are right about the other guys though. Rautins salary is very minimal. What kill us is Mozgov's 3+ Mill for 3 years.

It wont kill us if/when he starts playing well.

That's if D'Antoni gives him a chance to play again.

This give him a chance to play rap is tired. He plays, but is not a results type player. No rebounds and a poor defensive effort will keep you on the bench

Okay, so he's a scrub because he hasn't impressed you in his rookie year even though he is a foreigner who barely speaks english.

Cool.

Its pretty simple--Mosgov's contract could impede losing Wilson Chandler. That would be horrific.
If we get rid of these contracts we can sign Melo and retain Chandler. Then these stupid trade 3 starters for melo can go away. I think it would be easier to rid ourselves of these contracts by using the *potential* of Mosgov and Randolph for an ending contract vet who can help now. Id trade both of them with rautins to Houston for Jefferies and a 2011 2nd rounder. We dont need potential anymore--we need players who can go.

Wilson Chandler is redundant on this team.

If Mozgov continues his development his importance to this team will be much more significant than Wilson with Carmelo here. We need a big man. It would make more sense to trade Chandler for one than keep him around with Carmelo.

lol ok

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12/19/2010  8:43 PM
If we can get rid of these players and Turriaf opts out we sit with 27 mm + the cost of Chandler--lets say 6 years 42mm starting @ 6mm+ draft pick(1.3)--that would leave us with about 21mm in cap room if I guess its 55mm. > If we can get Carmelo to sign a contract that starts at 17mm--wed have an additional 4mm to fill out the roster. Let say 1mm goes to S Williams that leaves 3mm to sign a player which would likely be a big.

C-Amare
F Gallinari
F Fields
F Anthony
G Felton
C- FA or draft pick(maybe Dalembart?)
F 6th man Chandler
F S Williams
PG Douglas or draft pick

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12/19/2010  8:49 PM
Let's say Donnie is retained for GM for 2 more years. All he has to do is give Chandler this option: Work out the $ amount and years extension that is suitable for both sides but frame it like this: "Please accept the qualifying offer and your next deal will make up the $ to cover what you lost in that first year (and maybe they pad it with some extra $'s) OR risk getting traded to Denver for Melo."

Done and done.

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12/19/2010  8:58 PM
I'm not sure how crucial Chandler is with Melo here. I would love to retain him, but the dollars could be distributed to another young player who might be able to complement the roster better. Who knows- or maybe at that point Wilson is the best option. Either way the 3mm Briggs is talking about being leftover is the savings from Mozgov- so the way I see it you can pretty much keep Mozgov and Chandler under Briggs' scenario so I don't know what he's wringing his hands about.
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12/19/2010  8:59 PM
Also I think Mozgov and Randolph both could be moved pretty easily if we had to do it. Mason will expire and Rautins hit is minimal (and he also can be moved).
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12/19/2010  9:07 PM
VDesai wrote:I'm not sure how crucial Chandler is with Melo here.

Superb bench player. Can sub for Melo, Gallo, Amare. Dude can sub anywhere from the 2-5. And he plays offense and defense and can give you a legit 35+ trusted minutes off bench.

If you are still able to retain Turiaf and Moz, that's a nice bench. Just would have to find 3 point specialist and upgrade PG.

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12/19/2010  9:10 PM
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:I'm not sure how crucial Chandler is with Melo here.

Superb bench player. Can sub for Melo, Gallo, Amare. Dude can sub anywhere from the 2-5. And he plays offense and defense and can give you a legit 35+ trusted minutes off bench.

I don't have any doubts about what Chandler would add, but once Melo is on the roster there might be other FA's that would make more sense than Chandler. I don't see why Chandler would be the only other guy we'd be looking to sign with that cash. I wouldn't want to let him get away easy, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world and there may potentially be better options.

Its giving away Chandler+ other significant assets right now thats the more difficult scenario. Easier to wait in the offseason and only have to lose one or two assets at most.
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12/19/2010  9:13 PM
VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:I'm not sure how crucial Chandler is with Melo here.

Superb bench player. Can sub for Melo, Gallo, Amare. Dude can sub anywhere from the 2-5. And he plays offense and defense and can give you a legit 35+ trusted minutes off bench.

I don't have any doubts about what Chandler would add, but once Melo is on the roster there might be other FA's that would make more sense than Chandler. I don't see why Chandler would be the only other guy we'd be looking to sign with that cash. I wouldn't want to let him get away easy, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world and there may potentially be better options.

Its giving away Chandler+ other significant assets right now thats the more difficult scenario. Easier to wait in the offseason and only have to lose one or two assets at most.

Oh heck yes. Donnie just has to call through his back channels and send Melo message: Be patient, we'll give you the money and still have a team left over.

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12/19/2010  9:21 PM
Mozgov's 2nd and 3rd year aren't guaranteed, and Donnie can reportedly swap AR for a 1st rounder if he chooses. And, as mentioned, Mason's deal is done after this year.

I don't think we have too much to worry about in regards to salary. I'll let Donnie and his law degree handle the details.
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