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crzymdups
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12/19/2010  1:35 PM
Can we find a trade fit with them?

Reddick would be a nice SG/shooter and he can apparently run the PG a little.

Jason Williams wouldn't be a bad fit as a backup PG.

Can we offer them something reasonable for those pieces?

They're pretty thin at backup center. Should we think about Mozgov and/or AR? Maybe we could get a first round pick out of the deal, too.

Here's a look at the Magic's depth chart now:

http://nba-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/26509065

Well.

That got out of hand, fast.

The Orlando Magic completely turned around their rotation today with the addition of Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu and Gilbert Arenas (sorry Earl Clark). But on a team with this many options, how are these rotations going to work out? Let's take a look. First, where are they at with each position? There's no way of knowing how SVG will formulate his starting lineup, so they're considered liquid.
Point guard

Starter: Jameer Nelson
Reserves: Gilbert Arenas (combo-guard), Chris Duhon, J.J. Redick (in a pinch, combo-guard), Jason Williams

Nelson has played at a near All-Star level the past three seasons. With Carter off the grid, Nelson could benefit. Arenas can play shooting guard, but in reality, he plays with the ball in his hands. He deferred to John Wall in Washington, but it didn't work well. As a back-up point guard, he's going to dramatically improve the Magic's scoring potential in the bench unit.
Shooting guard

Starter: Jason Richardson/Gilbert Arenas/Quentin Richardson
Reserves: Jason Richardson/Gilbert Arenas/Quentin Richardson, J.J. Redick

Redick may be a trade asset now. J-Rich can play the three, but he's really a shooting guard. Arenas can play the two, but is really a point guard. Quentin Richardson is just a wing. Redick provides great insurance for the two-spot, but that's a pricy policy.
Small forward

Starter: Jason Richardson/Hedo Turkoglu/Quentin Richardson
Reserves: Jason Richardson, Quentin Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu

Hedo can play the four, but he'll likely spend some time at small forward. Quentin Richardson may actually wind up the starter here with J-Rich at the shooting guard and Brandon Bass or Turkoglu at the four. The Magic are pretty short at the three after this move, with Pietrus gone.
Power forward

Starter: Brandon Bass/Hedo Turkoglu
Reserves: Brandon Bass/Hedo Turkoglu, Ryan Anderson, Malik Allen

Anderson hasn't been as good as he needed to be this season to make a leap, while Bass has been better than expected. It's hard to see Turkoglu taking Bass' place, but given his familarity with the offense, it's conceivable. Meanwhile, Malik Allen has another duty....
Center

Starter: Dwight Howard
Reserves: Malik Allen, Daniel Orton

That's it. That's all they've got to back up Howard. Which means when Howard sits or gets in foul trouble, the Magic will have to go small. This could wind up as a good thing in the end.
Lineups

Nelson - Richardson - Richardson - Bass - Howard

If we're talking the actual best players available, this has to be it. Quentin Richardson is no star, but he doesn't have to be with the firepower the Magic now pack. It's a more traditional lineup with Bass at power forward, but with Nelson as the primary creator and Richardson geared as the finishing point, it could work.

A reserve unit could look like this:

Arenas - Redick - Turkoglu - Anderson - Bass

It's a strange big-small combo with Turkoglu at the three, but it could work with Arenas as the primary creator and shooters stocking the floor. Unfortunately, they'll get rebounded into oblivion.

Another starting unit option for SVG:

Nelson - Arenas - J. Richardson - Turkoglu - Howard

Arenas as a shooting guard is problematic, but it may be a dual combo-guard set up with Nelson and Arenas both working with the ball. I've never been sold on Turkoglu as a power forward, but he did play minutes in Orlando before. This lineup likely has the best scoring potential, and has Turkoglu as the fourth scoring option. Which is probably for the best.

The lesson here is that SVG has the same depth he had before, but now his frontcourt gets considerably smaller and more shallow. To put it simply: Howard has to stay out of foul trouble.

If Arenas can create and score to his potential and if Turkoglu regains his magic (sorry for the pun) under Van Gundy, Orlando could take a step forward -- that is, back to elite status in the East. Does that make the Magic better than Boston or Miami?

That's a whole other question.

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crzymdups
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12/19/2010  1:40 PM
Similarly - the Suns are now overloaded at C:

Frye
Gortat
RLopez

can we get one of those guys?

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12/19/2010  1:42 PM
Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.
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12/19/2010  1:45 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

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12/19/2010  3:08 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

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12/19/2010  3:12 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

What do drugs have to do with anything?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/19/2010  3:18 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

lol yea i dont see an 11 year vet as any help.

jameer nelson from the magic would be cool to trade for, i wonder if donnie could steal him for td/azu.

if not plan-b timberwolves sebastian telfair has an easy expiring contract to trade for.

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12/19/2010  3:19 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

Pretty fair trade, but there's a lot of guys that can do what Jason does. Shawne has been a money spot up shooter.
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12/19/2010  3:21 PM
cheers wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

lol yea i dont see an 11 year vet as any help.

jameer nelson from the magic would be cool to trade for, i wonder if donnie could steal him for td/azu.

if not plan-b timberwolves sebastian telfair has an easy expiring contract to trade for.


Except Telfair is a bum. I doubt he can run this offense any better than Toney.
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12/19/2010  3:22 PM
cheers wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

lol yea i dont see an 11 year vet as any help.

jameer nelson from the magic would be cool to trade for, i wonder if donnie could steal him for td/azu.

if not plan-b timberwolves sebastian telfair has an easy expiring contract to trade for.

So you want Sebastian Telfair as your backup PG and love Nate Robinson.

Good to know.

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12/19/2010  3:37 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
cheers wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

lol yea i dont see an 11 year vet as any help.

jameer nelson from the magic would be cool to trade for, i wonder if donnie could steal him for td/azu.

if not plan-b timberwolves sebastian telfair has an easy expiring contract to trade for.

So you want Sebastian Telfair as your backup PG and love Nate Robinson.

Good to know.

ya you pretty much covered it.

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12/19/2010  3:41 PM
I love Nate too. He just isnt that good. Anyone related to Marbury I feel sorry for, but i dont want them anywhere near this organization.
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12/19/2010  3:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2010  3:43 PM
tj23 wrote:
cheers wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

sign me out, are you on drugs dude

lol yea i dont see an 11 year vet as any help.

jameer nelson from the magic would be cool to trade for, i wonder if donnie could steal him for td/azu.

if not plan-b timberwolves sebastian telfair has an easy expiring contract to trade for.


Except Telfair is a bum. I doubt he can run this offense any better than Toney.

telfair has court vision. toney has tunnel vision.

telflair's contract is an expiring worth a little over a mil, so a trade could be made without effecting any future ny moves.

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12/19/2010  3:57 PM
Orlando seems a bit small at this point, with nobody to back up Howard, and they still have limited size at PF.

Interesting to see that Hedu is back with the team where his play earned him his FA $$.

Redick would be a nice player to pick up- perhaps a perfect guy for what we need, but his coach likes him and what exactly do we have to offer them for him?

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12/19/2010  4:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2010  4:43 PM
tj23 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

Pretty fair trade, but there's a lot of guys that can do what Jason does. Shawne has been a money spot up shooter.

We are already starving for some height, and you trade big for small, especially for a 3rd string wash up vet..give me one good thing J will is doing in Orl...

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12/19/2010  4:47 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

Pretty fair trade, but there's a lot of guys that can do what Jason does. Shawne has been a money spot up shooter.

We are already starving for some height, and you trade big for small, especially for a 3rd string wash up vet..give me one good thing J will is doing in Orl...

....

You think Shawne Williams is the answer at big man? Because he isn't.

We have big men who D'Antoni refuses to play.

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12/19/2010  5:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Shawne Williams for Jason Williams.

sign me up!

Jason Williams sucks

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12/19/2010  5:30 PM
White Chocolate and a 1st rd pick for AR !!! We get our backup PG and a st rd pick for Melo !!! 2 for one steal !!
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12/19/2010  6:59 PM
I wouldnt mind having Frye back. Im just worried about him regressing. I dont think he can handle pressure well.
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12/19/2010  7:24 PM
I don't think the Suns are moving any bigs. Frye starts at PF for them and Lopez/Gortat are a 2 headed center. What they may do is cut loose Earl Barron at some point. I know some people really want him back.
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