I think a counter offer(from Denvers perspective) would be Gallo Fields Chandler and a number 1(Randolph) is this the price you are willing to pay.

Paging D Walsh--am I wrong here---my batman instincts tell me Im right--that this is the asking price if I do a comparison Nets offer.

You trade for CA before the deadline--you work from weakness--the day that goes by your sitting in the power seat--case closed. If Carmelo is a Knick--the best possible scenario is to wait until next year with our FA money. We still need other things but maybe we can do some S+T's with current assets.

Right now we need bench pieces---good one's.

If Melo accepts an extension with NJ and gets traded there so be it.

But I highly doubt he accepts to sign there, so why are we trying to beat a package with Favors + picks?

scoshin wrote:For the last time, we don't have to beat the NJ offer.

If Melo accepts an extension with NJ and gets traded there so be it.

But I highly doubt he accepts to sign there, so why are we trying to beat a package with Favors + picks?

Im talking from Denvers perspective--not the Knicks. That is the market offer--its Dec 18 Not Feb 1st--why the hll would I ask for a penny less?

Is there another team who will ante up or am I better just keeping him and working out a S+T end of year? Either I get paid what i want or close to it--or Im willing to wait and do a S+T. Thats what i would do If Im Denver.

BRIGGS wrote:

scoshin wrote:For the last time, we don't have to beat the NJ offer.

If Melo accepts an extension with NJ and gets traded there so be it.

But I highly doubt he accepts to sign there, so why are we trying to beat a package with Favors + picks?

Im talking from Denvers perspective--not the Knicks. That is the market offer--its Dec 18 Not Feb 1st--why the hll would I ask for a penny less?

Is there another team who will ante up or am I better just keeping him and working out a S+T end of year? Either I get paid what i want or close to it--or Im willing to wait and do a S+T. Thats what i would do If Im Denver.

hmmm, not sure you can throw around S&T with the looming CBA coming up. Last year yes, but not this year. S&T leverage works against both Denver and Melo at this point.

The one vague thing that comes to mind for me is that there will be an extra period after the season ends and during draft up until 30 June where Melo will still be tradeable, that window still exists for everyone.

OldFan wrote:

TMS wrote:this has all been explained & rebuffed at length on all the other Melo threads numerous times but you still think we're somehow forced to match NJ's offer... i don't get it... if Melo isn't willing to sign an extension w/NJ, their offer is pretty much worthless no matter what they're willing to throw in the deal... we base our offer on what Melo wants to do, not on what other teams are willing to give up.

Melo has two goals to get paid the MAX he can get paid and to play for the Knicks. Denver has levarage. If Melo goes free agent he likely loses millions. Denver and Melo each will lose if he becomes a free agent. If Denver doens't like our package then they may very well play it out and see if Melo blinks first. I personally doubt Melo will not except a trade to any other team.

If Denver was willing to take Gallo, Curry and a pick (Randolph) the trade would be made. I like Gallo and do root for more the the uniform so I'd hate to see him go but I wouldn't complain about that trade. I think It's more likely Denver wants at least Landry thrown in and probably more then that.

Agreed. At this point it's Randolph/1st rounder, curry and their choice of Chandler or gallo. And any of the other bodies we can throw them from our not top 8 rotation.

I'd rather have gallo and Chandler than mello. I like their interchangeability (one is hot other is cold) they always put combo stats.

It's only December and I'm will to see what they can do together.

I'm willing to wait if we can keep the 6th seed and play tough in the Playoffs.

It's not melo or bust in my opinion.

Also, agree with others that it doesn't matter what Denver wants.

izybx wrote:I wonder what offer Donnie has on the table now for them. We know they have had conversations and that he has made an offer. Im thinking something like Curry-filler 2014 #1 and another #1 from a randolph trade. I dont think he has offered Gallo Chandler or Fields, tho who knows. Im getting restless for a trade myself, now that weve tasted some success I really want some more...

Good point, but here is the rub, your giving up 3 starters.

I know, I know, we all want the Melo one, but 3 starters?

ITs a nice trio of Felton-Amare-Melo but we drop off steep.

AR and Mason? Bench?

Then we dream of a discontented Dwight Howard for 18 mos hoping Orlando falls?

We all want the same thing, its just the price of those three.

Denver did a smart thing offering a big fat extension. Makes it very hard for Melo to ignore and walk away from. Denver will get assets in return.

What I think and what I hope are two different things.

I don't know what Walsh is thinking but by being cool he simply raises the price Nets have to pay, which helps denver and hampers Nets future, which in turn helps the knicks.

BlueSeats wrote:

Nalod wrote:Good point, but here is the rub, your giving up 3 starters.

I know, I know, we all want the Melo one, but 3 starters?

ITs a nice trio of Felton-Amare-Melo but we drop off steep.

Boston was supposed to be too thin after getting Garnett and RA. LA was supposed to be too thin after getting Pau. Miami was supposed to be too thin after dropping everyone but Wade to get Bosh and Lebron.

Time and again we see that when you have a solid core the role players are made better by their presence, and it's easier to obtain low cost FA's because they gravitate toward winners.

Even with the Suns, the role players orbiting around Amare, Nash and Marion mattered little.

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I'm not opposed to chilling a couple of years to let Will, Fields, Gallo, AR, Moz, etc, mature, but I'm not expecting 47+ wins while doing so. If you want to raise the pot you've got to raise the anti.

Excellent post, Blue and I agree (except for chillin and waiting/hoping/wicsing those guys mature.) By the time they mature, Amare may be on the other side of his prime. If Walsh were to add Melo to this team, I'm pretty sure he's not going back to sleep. Roles players are much easier to add than a player of Melo's calibre and Dolan has proven in the past that he is not opposed to adding more salary despite being at or over the cap. Get Melo, then worry about the other pieces afterwards.

Paladin55 wrote:I basically agree with Briggs.

I don't see Denver taking anything less than Gallo, Fields, a #1 (which means bye-bye AR), and Curry. Chandler would have to be a sign (extension) and trade type of deal, or he would just be a half-season rental for Denver.

I still believe that we should do all we can to wait for the FA season and pick him up then.

We need some dependable bench players to compliment what has become a 7 man rotation...period.

I agree with this--I am unwilling to trade for Carmelo--I know what they want and it would take a thin team and make it thinner.

Lets take a scenario where we actually do a S+T with Wilson(which I would hate but accept) where we get back a pick and young player like the D Lee deal and bring in Carmelo for nothing. We essentially trade Carmelo for Wilson(which is acceptable) why the heck do I want to give them Fields Gallinari and a pick for 3 months of play? If everyone believes that melo will b a Knick--why cant they be patient and keep our guys which we NEED???

Right now the only thing I would work on is the 2011 team--they beed to do what they can do improve the bench--not just bring guys in

but guys who will be used and will help. There might be a cost but it will have to be accepted. Like I mentioned for the right deals anything including Douglas AR Mosgov--is available for the right price. We need addition not subtraction. I think things can work out for us well--patience with the CA thing and concentrate and execute on the bench asap.

BlueSeats wrote:Which are examples of elite teams that have a weak starting 5 but win because of their strong bench?

Show me an example of a championship team with no bench. We already have a great deal of talent in the top 5. We cant give up two or 3 starters + picks for one with no bench. Its' smart business to wait it out