Tony Williams, Knicks and Giants Beat Writer for Metro New York

# Randolph has looked so-so, bobbling passes, blowing defensive assignments. Crazy how fast he's fallen out of favor in rotation. half a minute ago via txt

# Something we'll prolly never see again & something I'll prolly never type again: Mozgov beating Amar'e down the floor on a fastbreak. 4 minutes ago via txt

# Azubuike is working out on the side basket w/ an assistant. 10 minutes ago via txt

# Toney Douglas is working on stationary bike. 11 minutes ago via txt

# At NYK practice. Team scrimmage & Turiaf & Williams are mixing in w/ the ones.

I was like, "was Oakley in the building?"

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph beginning to lose focus? No way he should be tired riding the bench.

Yeah, it's the whole "missing defensive assignments" thing that is troubling.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph is done as a Knick. There is no rehab or patience here. He's a guy who wants to be involved and is shutting off--better to get value for him now than later. I do not think that his value has dropped that much--perhaps 30% from start of season--but that isnt going on an upswing--only continue down unless he came in a game and gave 20-10.

wait, what? All they have shown AR is rehab and patience.

I know it isnt going to work

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Randolph beginning to lose focus? No way he should be tired riding the bench.

Yeah, it's the whole "missing defensive assignments" thing that is troubling.

that and the fact that coach has told him to concentrate on rebounding and defense only to see him try to do everything but

Bippity10 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph is done as a Knick. There is no rehab or patience here. He's a guy who wants to be involved and is shutting off--better to get value for him now than later. I do not think that his value has dropped that much--perhaps 30% from start of season--but that isnt going on an upswing--only continue down unless he came in a game and gave 20-10.

Sounds like he has no competitive fire. IF you shut down because you aren't playing? Imagine if Michael Jordan did that after being cut from the varsity team sophomore year. If he's so talented why can't he jump over Mozgov? NO need to shut down, unless he's just simply to fragile to succeed in NY.

You say there is no rehab and patience here. Do you think Mozgov and Shawne feel the same way? Toney Douglas?

Competition is high here. The top 8 have upped their games. If you want in to the rotation, going in to the tank is not the way to do it. No good coach will have patience for that. Work hard in practice and buck up.

I can't beleive I was tortured for months over this guy.

Actually the more I read it, it sounds like RAndolph is the one that isn't patient.

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph is done as a Knick. There is no rehab or patience here. He's a guy who wants to be involved and is shutting off--better to get value for him now than later. I do not think that his value has dropped that much--perhaps 30% from start of season--but that isnt going on an upswing--only continue down unless he came in a game and gave 20-10.

So we should put in a stop sell order on AR if his value drops 30% but his missing defensive assiagnments is akin to missing an FDA approval so if his growth rate flat lines and burn rate for Research and Development (Rehap an patience) continues we should dump him now incase there is no volume to trade him.

If only players were stocks!

martin wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Randolph is done as a Knick. There is no rehab or patience here. He's a guy who wants to be involved and is shutting off--better to get value for him now than later. I do not think that his value has dropped that much--perhaps 30% from start of season--but that isnt going on an upswing--only continue down unless he came in a game and gave 20-10.

Sounds like he has no competitive fire. IF you shut down because you aren't playing? Imagine if Michael Jordan did that after being cut from the varsity team sophomore year. If he's so talented why can't he jump over Mozgov? NO need to shut down, unless he's just simply to fragile to succeed in NY.

You say there is no rehab and patience here. Do you think Mozgov and Shawne feel the same way? Toney Douglas?

Competition is high here. The top 8 have upped their games. If you want in to the rotation, going in to the tank is not the way to do it. No good coach will have patience for that. Work hard in practice and buck up.

I can't beleive I was tortured for months over this guy.

Actually the more I read it, it sounds like RAndolph is the one that isn't patient.

BRIGGS has no patience.

Maybe, but I do think this team has come together faster than we thought and it happend without AR so if he has value as a project and we have our two (Moz and Rautins) then perhaps its time we consider using him as an asset to help us.

Im not suggesting we trade him sraight up for Telfair but if Rainman tweeks his ankle and we have to go with TD to run the point then Telfair is more valuable than AR. Just an example folks, calm down!

If we are not going to contend this year then keep AR another year and teach him.

Since I am not at practice I don't know. I would think Turiaf would be a good judge to see what is different about him now than the last 18mos seeing he was his team mate during his two years at GS.

BigSm00th wrote:send AR to the d league a la the nets with terrence williams. i don't understand how we expect the guy to improve when he never plays in real games. let him go down to the D league and get some confidence back.

No D league runs the complex offensive scheme we do so. Certainly defense if far more complex and doing it in a chucking league would actually set him back even further.

He needs to do it in practice to get his confidence and earn the trust of his team.

martin wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:send AR to the d league a la the nets with terrence williams. i don't understand how we expect the guy to improve when he never plays in real games. let him go down to the D league and get some confidence back.

Does AR have a confidence problem? I think it's more of a recognition thing.

Sounds like its becoming both.