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12/10/2010  3:09 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/sports/basketball/21randolph.html

The search for Anthony Randolph and his ever-tantalizing talents led to a familiar resting spot: to the sideline at Oracle Arena in Oakland, Calif., to a row of seats lining the court, to the end of a crowded bench, lost but not forgotten.

It was an instantly familiar scene to any dedicated fan. Only the position of Randolph’s seat had changed, from the right side of the scorer’s table to the left.

For two bumpy seasons with Golden State, Randolph was a frequent fixture on the sideline, consigned to the Warriors’ bench by injury or by order of Coach Don Nelson. When Randolph returned to Oakland on Friday night, as a member of the Knicks, he was again a reluctant spectator.

This is the burden of a 21-year-old prospect with fantastic physical gifts and a still-developing basketball conscience. Randolph has fallen out of Coach Mike D’Antoni’s rotation, just as he once fell out of favor with Nelson.

Once again, Randolph is sitting, waiting for his opportunity to shine.

“You got to take your lumps and bruises and just wait your time,” he said, reciting well-practiced truisms. “It’s a long season. Anything can happen.”

It is the anything-can-happen part that has made Randolph intriguing and frustrating for two franchises.

He is listed at 6 feet 11 inches, with an elongated Plastic Man torso, a pterodactyl wingspan and a knack for spawning YouTube clips. He can grab a rebound, block a shot into the third row or fly across the lane for a dunk so powerful that his teammates fall over one another in mock horror.

This is where the troubles start. Randolph wants to do it all, preferably now. But he has trouble matching the right skill to the right moment. His decisions can be maddening, leading to turnovers, blown plays and annoyed coaches.

Warriors Coach Keith Smart, a former Nelson assistant, called Randolph an enigma who was “trying to find out who he is as a basketball player.” D’Antoni’s assessment is nearly identical.

“He has to define his game,” D’Antoni said. “Defensively, rebounding, moving the ball on offense and not try to do too much. He’s got so much talent that he can do anything and go one-on-one against anybody. But at the end of the day, you got to be efficient, and that’s what we’re trying to get him to be, efficient.”

The Knicks expected some bumps after acquiring Randolph from the Warriors in July, as the centerpiece of the David Lee trade. Randolph is the youngest player on one of the league’s youngest rosters, and he is still acclimating to the N.B.A. After being drafted in 2008 out of Louisiana State, he played only 63 games as a rookie and he missed most of last season because of an ankle injury.

D’Antoni was willing to endure some mistakes, but a 3-8 start that included a six-game losing streak eliminated any room for error.

Randolph was averaging 2.6 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.1 minutes a game through Friday. His shooting was erratic (27.6 percent), and his performance in the Knicks’ recent loss at Denver illustrated the team’s concerns.

Randolph entered the game late in the first quarter. Fourteen seconds later, he threw a bad pass for a turnover. Within the next few minutes, he also missed two long jump shots and committed a defensive 3-second violation, offsetting his positive contributions (a rebound and two layups). His defensive lapses led to 5 quick points by Al Harrington.

The results were fairly typical. Randolph can quickly fill a box score, but sometimes in the wrong categories. He also has more confidence in his jump shot than the results justify. He has a career shooting percentage of .331 from beyond 10 feet, according to HoopData.com.

“My job is to give us the best possibility to win a game,” D’Antoni said, “and I don’t think it’s fair to other players if I think that this is going to hurt us if I play somebody.”

If he committed himself to simple tasks — rebounding and shot blocking — Randolph could be a Marcus Camby clone. But he has the size and skills to emulate Lamar Odom, the Los Angeles Lakers’ rangy, multitasking forward.

“Seriously, I see him as Lamar,” said the Knicks’ Ronny Turiaf, who has played alongside Odom and Randolph.

Odom’s continual activity leads to a full box score, and Turiaf said Randolph should aim to do the same.

“Like I tell him every single day, he has the key to his destiny in his hands,” Turiaf said. “Is he willing to make the sacrifices necessary to make it happen? I think that he is.”

Even Randolph’s strongest advocates acknowledge he needs a lot of work. While the Knicks were in the Bay Area, Randolph’s agent, Bill Duffy, met with D’Antoni to lobby for more patience.

“You know, he’s still a young player, and I think the experience he had here was so up and down,” Duffy said, adding: “Obviously, everyone knows he’s immensely talented. But there’s still basic things that I think he needs to develop more. We just got to keep his confidence and keep his work ethic.”

Quiet and sensitive, Randolph has a hard time disguising his disappointment. But he drew a sharp distinction between his experiences with the Warriors and the Knicks, crediting D’Antoni for being more direct and communicative than Nelson was.

“This is a cakewalk here,” he said with a smile. “I love it here.”

Although his game remains in a formative stage, Randolph’s attitude has matured. He admits he has proved nothing yet — “I’m nobody” — and says he will work to gain D’Antoni’s trust.

“I’ve shown in spurts what I can do, so whether or not I can play in this league is not a question,” Randolph said. “It’s just a matter of me learning and being a lot smarter about how I play.”

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12/10/2010  3:19 PM
Nice article, thanks for posting.

It managed to answer a couple of questions I had.

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12/10/2010  3:21 PM
" He’s got so much talent that he can do anything and go one-on-one against anybody. "

very encouraged by the fact that MDA said that. Means a) not in the doghouse for something petty b) there's a chance AR becomes a useful player for the Knicks.

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12/10/2010  3:22 PM
play him coach!
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12/10/2010  3:31 PM
Quiet and sensitive, Randolph has a hard time disguising his disappointment. But he drew a sharp distinction between his experiences with the Warriors and the Knicks, crediting D’Antoni for being more direct and communicative than Nelson was.

“This is a cakewalk here,” he said with a smile. “I love it here.”

Although his game remains in a formative stage, Randolph’s attitude has matured. He admits he has proved nothing yet — “I’m nobody” — and says he will work to gain D’Antoni’s trust.

this is EVERYTHING I wanted to hear. He's 21 and his BB IQ is low, as his the level of his experience. If he's working in practice and getting better and learning thats all we need. I dont care if he sits all year.

I was hoping for more from him right out of the box but he's not at the level of the other players right now.

Look at the rotation MDA is leaning on. Felton, Fields, Gallo, Chandler, Amare, Turiaf, Williams, Douglas. ALL are smart heady players who understand spacing, ball movement, etc

AR isnt there yet, but its great to see he understands WHY. Thats a big difference from some knucklehead like Lavar Postell who doesnt understand why he's not playing.

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12/10/2010  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2010  3:34 PM
What Randolph can do to help himself is limit floor space and acknowledge he is a post 4/5. If he plays from 12 feet in --the game becomes simple. Defend rebound high % shot Keep moving to the open spot set picks call out picks and when covered pass the ball to the open man. He is very long an athletic--and I think it would behoove him to learn 2-3 strong post moves.

When you are playing from 30 feet--there is more that can go wrong and that is what has happened to Randolph here.

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12/10/2010  3:33 PM
fishmike wrote:
Quiet and sensitive, Randolph has a hard time disguising his disappointment. But he drew a sharp distinction between his experiences with the Warriors and the Knicks, crediting D’Antoni for being more direct and communicative than Nelson was.

“This is a cakewalk here,” he said with a smile. “I love it here.”

Although his game remains in a formative stage, Randolph’s attitude has matured. He admits he has proved nothing yet — “I’m nobody” — and says he will work to gain D’Antoni’s trust.

this is EVERYTHING I wanted to hear. He's 21 and his BB IQ is low, as his the level of his experience. If he's working in practice and getting better and learning thats all we need. I dont care if he sits all year.

I was hoping for more from him right out of the box but he's not at the level of the other players right now.

Look at the rotation MDA is leaning on. Felton, Fields, Gallo, Chandler, Amare, Turiaf, Williams, Douglas. ALL are smart heady players who understand spacing, ball movement, etc

AR isnt there yet, but its great to see he understands WHY. Thats a big difference from some knucklehead like Lavar Postell who doesnt understand why he's not playing.

But Lavar Postell was great. He gave Houston and Spree hell in practice, according to him. *snicker*

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12/10/2010  3:35 PM
Solace wrote:But Lavar Postell was great. He gave Houston and Spree hell in practice, according to him. *snicker*
lol... yea. I remember that. One of them missed a couple of games and Postel scored 20 in b2b games. Was never heard from again
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12/10/2010  3:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2010  3:37 PM
fishmike wrote:
Solace wrote:But Lavar Postell was great. He gave Houston and Spree hell in practice, according to him. *snicker*
lol... yea. I remember that. One of them missed a couple of games and Postel scored 20 in b2b games. Was never heard from again

The best was when Chaney was later asked about Postell's quote and simply said something to the effect of, "it wasn't entirely accurate".

But, anyway, I agree. It's nice to hear positive things, instead of the status quo complaining and entitlement that we had for five years.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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12/10/2010  3:42 PM
fishmike wrote:
Solace wrote:But Lavar Postell was great. He gave Houston and Spree hell in practice, according to him. *snicker*
lol... yea. I remember that. One of them missed a couple of games and Postel scored 20 in b2b games. Was never heard from again

All his goals had been reached

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Bippity10 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Solace wrote:But Lavar Postell was great. He gave Houston and Spree hell in practice, according to him. *snicker*
lol... yea. I remember that. One of them missed a couple of games and Postel scored 20 in b2b games. Was never heard from again

All his goals had been reached

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/27/sports/basketball-opinionated-postell-has-high-opinion-of-himself.html

Postell, with 97 career points, believes he is their equal.

''I look at it like this,'' Postell said after scoring 2 points on 1-of-7 shooting in Monday's loss to Denver. ''Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell don't do anything that I can't do. The only difference is that they get an opportunity.''

I think Lavar Postell would've been perfect in an Isiah system.

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12/10/2010  3:45 PM
being around TRUE PROS like Amare/Felton is going to have a ripple affect. These guys are hard workers and true leaders. Amare shows up hours early to work on things he wants to use during the game. It sounds so homerish but Amare is the guy AR needs to watch. Between just watching Amare and Turiaf for 82 games AR will learn more than he would have in a decade at GS
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12/10/2010  3:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2010  3:57 PM
Solace wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Solace wrote:But Lavar Postell was great. He gave Houston and Spree hell in practice, according to him. *snicker*
lol... yea. I remember that. One of them missed a couple of games and Postel scored 20 in b2b games. Was never heard from again

All his goals had been reached

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/27/sports/basketball-opinionated-postell-has-high-opinion-of-himself.html

Postell, with 97 career points, believes he is their equal.

''I look at it like this,'' Postell said after scoring 2 points on 1-of-7 shooting in Monday's loss to Denver. ''Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell don't do anything that I can't do. The only difference is that they get an opportunity.''

I think Lavar Postell would've been perfect in an Isiah system.

Guys like that, have an impossible time understanding the real reasons they aren't playing. It's always a conspiracy theory. It's always because of politics. It's so ingrained in their heads that they don'tlisten to the coaches that are actually trying to help them fix the one or two flaws taht will get them on the courts. They never fix them and never get time and always blame the coaching staff.

I can't stress this enough, there isn't a coach alive that wants to have an uber talented player sitting on his bench. You want to play all your best players. These conspiracy theories are 99% of the time utter nonsense.

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12/10/2010  3:56 PM
fishmike wrote:being around TRUE PROS like Amare/Felton is going to have a ripple affect. These guys are hard workers and true leaders. Amare shows up hours early to work on things he wants to use during the game. It sounds so homerish but Amare is the guy AR needs to watch. Between just watching Amare and Turiaf for 82 games AR will learn more than he would have in a decade at GS

My idol in high school was two years ahead of me in age. He was a beast. Still the greatest player I ever played with and should have been in the NBA. Watching him was the best thing for my game. I copied 90% of the things he did, and most of it was subconscioulsy. YOu cannot overstress the point of how important it is for Randolph to be aroudn these guys. IF he works hard and listens they can't help but wear off on him. But he has to be willing to listen and have the drive to be like them.

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12/10/2010  4:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
Quiet and sensitive, Randolph has a hard time disguising his disappointment. But he drew a sharp distinction between his experiences with the Warriors and the Knicks, crediting D’Antoni for being more direct and communicative than Nelson was.

“This is a cakewalk here,” he said with a smile. “I love it here.”

Although his game remains in a formative stage, Randolph’s attitude has matured. He admits he has proved nothing yet — “I’m nobody” — and says he will work to gain D’Antoni’s trust.

this is EVERYTHING I wanted to hear. He's 21 and his BB IQ is low, as his the level of his experience. If he's working in practice and getting better and learning thats all we need. I dont care if he sits all year.

I was hoping for more from him right out of the box but he's not at the level of the other players right now.

Look at the rotation MDA is leaning on. Felton, Fields, Gallo, Chandler, Amare, Turiaf, Williams, Douglas. ALL are smart heady players who understand spacing, ball movement, etc

AR isnt there yet, but its great to see he understands WHY. Thats a big difference from some knucklehead like Lavar Postell who doesnt understand why he's not playing.

Also notable that dude has only played in 63 games due to injuries or DNP-CDs or whatever. So it's not like he's been in the league for year and years and still never produced.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/10/2010  4:06 PM
I heard the same stuff in Golden State and Don Nelson had him riding the pine.

Im not buying it.

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12/10/2010  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2010  4:17 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I heard the same stuff in Golden State and Don Nelson had him riding the pine.

Im not buying it.

Ever the optimist...and fortune teller. Are you actively rooting against the kid being productive?

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12/10/2010  4:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2010  4:25 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I heard the same stuff in Golden State and Don Nelson had him riding the pine.

Im not buying it.

Ever the optimist...and fortune teller. Are you actively rooting against the kid being productive?

Rooting against him?

Im calling it like I see it. D'Antoni said nice things about Jordan Hill too last year at this time. Then Hill gets traded and D'Antoni throws him under bus.

This is his 3rd year in the league. Injured or not he has access to watch film and work on his mental game the last 2 years. Randolph is looking like Larry Sanders and that isnt a compliment.

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12/10/2010  4:38 PM
Im calling it like I see it.

The most overrated cliche mankind ever invented. If I had a dime for how many times people say that but, really, they don't see it, I'd be soooooooooo rich.

Lets see the Knicks frontcourt get killed defensively and see D'Antoni release the hound and see how it works out after all the work in practice. Or for that matter, lets see how a year on pine will create a learning experience for Randolph when he, once again, has an opportunity next season.

BTW, stop placing pressure on the kid by calling him Camby, Odom et al. ust let him be himself.

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12/10/2010  4:41 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Im calling it like I see it.

The most overrated cliche mankind ever invented. If I had a dime for how many times people say that but, really, they don't see it, I'd be soooooooooo rich.

Lets see the Knicks frontcourt get killed defensively and see D'Antoni release the hound and see how it works out after all the work in practice. Or for that matter, lets see how a year on pine will create a learning experience for Randolph when he, once again, has an opportunity next season.

BTW, stop placing pressure on the kid by calling him Camby, Odom et al. ust let him be himself.

At this point I would settle for him being Turiaf

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