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12/8/2010  8:47 PM
did someone mention that Melo had a sore knee tonight and would be sitting out?

Nuggets ready to move Melo
by Ken Berger

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/26323465?source=rss_blogs_NBA

After weeks of speculation and despite a strong start by the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony's last days in Denver may finally have arrived.

The Nuggets have all but decided to trade Anthony if he does not sign an extension with the team by the trade deadline, and Denver's management team believes Anthony is fully prepared to play out the season and become a free agent, multiple sources told CBSSports.com.

The Nuggets’ strong start, coupled with George Karl’s inspirational return from cancer treatment and positive discussions about a contract extension for the soon-to-be-1,000-win coach, have the organization feeling they've done everything possible to persuade Anthony to stay. But according to people with knowledge of the team’s strategy, if Anthony doesn’t agree to sign the three-year, $65 million extension by the Feb. 24 trade deadline, the wheels are all but certain to be put in motion to part ways with the three-time All-Star rather than lose him as a free agent and get nothing in return.

According to people in contact with the Nuggets’ management team, there is far more clarity today about what the team is seeking in a potential Anthony trade than there was in September, when new GM Masai Ujiri was thrust into the tempest in his initial days and weeks on the job. Executives believe the Nuggets have decided they would like to receive the best possible package of young players and are not interested in stopgap options that would hamper their flexibility. Acquiring a high-priced veteran player -- such as Andre Iguodala, whose talent the Nuggets value but not his contract -- would only hurt the team’s ability to build around youth while maintaining payroll flexibility into the uncertainty of a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Nets’ package of 2010 No. 4 pick Derrick Favors, guard Devin Harris, the expiring contract of Kris Humphries and two first-round picks remains the most attractive option to the Nuggets, sources say. Additional trade partners such as Charlotte and Utah are not eager to get involved in the discussions again, but wouldn’t necessarily be needed this time.

The wild card remains Anthony’s desire to sign an extension with the Nets, who obviously would not be willing to offer the same package without such a guarantee. While rival executives continue to doubt that Anthony would be willing to spend the next season-and-a-half in Newark, N.J., sources who have been in close contact with the power brokers in Anthony’s camp -- William Wesley and Leon Rose -- say the Nets remain an option for Anthony.

Anthony and the Nuggets will play Sunday at Madison Square Garden against the Knicks, which remain his top choice via a trade or free agency -- even though the latter option could cost him millions depending on how successful owners are at imposing salary reductions in the new collective bargaining agreement. Sources say Anthony is so fixated on winding up with the Knicks that Denver management has become convinced that he will tempt fate and the new CBA by playing out the entire season in Denver and signing with the Knicks as a free agent on July 1 – or after the lockout. The only way that scenario could be positive for Denver would be in a sign-and-trade deal. But such an arrangement – like the pennies-on-the-dollar deals that sent LeBron James and Chris Bosh to Miami – would not be nearly as beneficial as what the Nets are offering now.

The Knicks, playing their best basketball in years with free-agent acquisition Amar’e Stoudemire, have believed that their best chance of landing Melo was for the process to play out slowly – and they’ve gotten their wish so far. But the Nuggets, sources say, are not sold on the young players New York could offer such as Anthony Randolph, Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler. Point guard Raymond Felton -- who has been on an offensive tear since gaining chemistry with Stoudemire and who becomes trade-eligible on Dec. 15 -- also does not interest the Nuggets, who view him as a halfcourt player who wouldn't fit their style.

Nuggets officials are said to be coming around to the idea that Harris could play in the backcourt with Chauncey Billups, who often played shooting guard this past summer with Team USA. But if Anthony is traded, sources say management also wants to show Billups -- who came to the Nuggets not just to come home, but to win -- the proper respect by engaging him in conversations about whether he'd prefer to be traded.

Other than hoping to persuade Anthony to sign the extension and stay in Denver, the biggest variable for the Nuggets is the sliding scale of quality on the Nets’ own first-round pick they’d convey in the trade. (They also would include Golden State’s protected 2012 first-rounder). The sooner the Nuggets trade Melo to New Jersey, the better the Nets get and the worse the pick gets. But that is a matter of timing and patience. As far as willingness to deal, it appears that the Nuggets are finally open for business.

And so are we in the rest of this week’s Post-Ups:

• With the Trail Blazers' obvious struggles and the health challenges (that's putting it mildly) of Greg Oden and Brandon Roy, two people with knowledge of the team's strategy told CBSSports.com that Portland management is contemplating trading older players and going young. The obvious targets for such a purge would be Marcus Camby (36), Andre Miller (34), and Joel Pryzbilla (31). Roy isn’t old, but his knees are -- though one of the sources said Portland would find no takers for the five years and $82.3 million remaining on Roy's contract, given the state of his meniscus-less knees. Pryzbilla ($7.4 million expiring contract) and Miller (whose $7.8 million salary in 2011-12 is fully non-guaranteed) are eminently moveable. Another candidate to be dealt, though not because of age or health, is Rudy Fernandez, who has wanted out of Portland for some time. Sources caution that the Blazers have engaged in only internal conversations about this strategy, and it is contingent upon the team (10-11) continuing to struggle. But the writing certainly is on the wall for major changes in Portland.

• Multiple NBA team executives told CBSSports.com this week they believe a significant number of college underclassmen will stay in school rather than risk losing a year of development (and pay) in a lockout. College coaches making the pitch to underclassman to stay in school will have more leverage than ever before. “They’ll have the hammer,” one exec said. “To lose a year of development at that stage of your career, that’s huge.” This could have a dramatic impact on a team like No. 4 Kansas, which in an ordinary year would have as many as three first-round picks: freshman Josh Selby (serving a nine-game NCAA suspension for accepting improper benefits); and juniors Marcus Morris and Tyshawn Taylor. Sophomore Thomas Robinson also impressed NBA execs scouting the Jimmy V Classic Tuesday night at Madison Square Garden.

• Speaking of Madison Square Garden, rival execs agree that New York would be a logical landing spot for Andre Iguodala, and they believe the Sixers will be more than open to discussing trades for the dynamic but high-priced swingman as the Feb. 24 deadline approaches. The Knicks, one of the few teams in a position to absorb salary in the uncertain labor environment, also would be looking for an attractive piece to pair with Stoudemire in the event the Nuggets follow through with an Anthony trade prior to the deadline. Team president Donnie Walsh would have to decide if, short of Anthony, Iguodala is the best option that will be available to him between now and 2011 free agency -- if and when that happens. And also, if Iguodala is worth giving up the cap flexibility he's toiled three years to create. Pricetag notwithstanding -- the 26-year-old is due $56.5 million over the next four years -- Iguodala would be an excellent fit for Mike D'Antoni's high-octane offense and would instantly become the best defender on the roster by a mile.

• With details of the National Basketball Players Association's July proposal finally becoming fully public Wednesday, the question of how prepared the union is for a lockout is naturally going to come up. According to sources familiar with the union's financial documents, the NBPA currently has just shy of $100 million in liquid assets in its war chest in the event of a lockout. The funds have been accumulated largely through players agreeing to put aside licensing money they receive from the league -- something they are doing again this season to the tune of about $30 million. If you add non-liquid assets, such as property, the union will have about $175 million on hand. This is a lot of money to you and me, but not to 450 NBA players. Consider that the players' salaries (without benefits) last season totaled about $2.3 billion -- with a "b." Now consider that players are paid 12 times during the season -- twice a month for six months. That means the NBPA's total war chest is enough to cover the players' first paychecks during a lockout in the 2011-12 season.

• With trade discussions typically heating up around the 20-game mark -- and also around Dec. 15, when summer free agents become trade-eligible -- execs league-wide are curious to learn what sort of trade climate will exist in light of the labor uncertainty. Many predict that teams that have typically been willing to take on salary between December and the trade deadline (Feb. 24) will be less willing (or unwilling) to do so in this environment. Similarly, teams performing below management's internal expectations (Houston, the Clippers, the Blazers) have a tough decision to make. They could try to fix their problems now, but without knowing what the rules will be under the new agreement, they don't know what conditions they’re planning for. Of the aforementioned teams, the Blazers are in the best position to dump salary because of the attractiveness of the contracts they'd be moving. Plus, Miller's value is not only in his contract, but in his ability to push a contending team in need of a steadying point-guard presence over the top. Full disclosure: this is my idea, not anybody else's, but Orlando would be the perfect landing spot for Miller depending on what the Magic would be willing to send back.

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12/8/2010  9:36 PM
• With the Trail Blazers' obvious struggles and the health challenges (that's putting it mildly) of Greg Oden and Brandon Roy, two people with knowledge of the team's strategy told CBSSports.com that Portland management is contemplating trading older players and going young. The obvious targets for such a purge would be Marcus Camby (36), Andre Miller (34), and Joel Pryzbilla (31).

if DEN ends up trading Melo to NJ, i say offer up AR, Mozgov & Buike's expiring for Camby, & make a trade for Iguodala & a filler like Battie using Wilson, Curry's expiring & both our 2nd round picks

C - Camby / Turiaf
PF - Amare / Battie
SF - Gallo / Williams / Walker
SG - Iguodala / Fields / Mason / Rautins
PG - Felton / Douglas

u could easily find a bench PF/C out of the D Leagues to give ur bench a little depth if Battie can't fill the role adequately... that roster would be awesome defensively & excel in an uptempo style of play.

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12/8/2010  9:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2010  9:54 PM
That's crazy TMS, that's just wild. AR, Mozgov, and Chandler for a shot at Iggy? Iggy is WACK, bro, and a horrendous contract. Iggy ain't about nothing, he's not about anything. And AR, he's not playing now, but the kid is a baller, he just needs an attitude adjustment, kill me, shoot me dead with a handgun if he's not contributing swats, boards, and some buckets by the end of this year.
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12/8/2010  10:09 PM
orangeblobman wrote:That's crazy TMS, that's just wild. AR, Mozgov, and Chandler for a shot at Iggy? Iggy is WACK, bro, and a horrendous contract. Iggy ain't about nothing, he's not about anything. And AR, he's not playing now, but the kid is a baller, he just needs an attitude adjustment, kill me, shoot me dead with a handgun if he's not contributing swats, boards, and some buckets by the end of this year.

i know AR's got a big upside but who knows if he'll ever realize that upside playing in this system for this coach? he can't even get playing time over Mozgov at this point... i don't wanna wait around to see if he can get on the court if i can get a guy who i know can give me 12 rebounds a night w/2 blocked shots like Camby who we all know can perform at a high level in NY... that's just me... u can easily make an argument that trading a 21 yo kid w/big upside isn't worth it for a 36 yo vet, but right now we're in a position to really transform ourselves into a top contender in the EC... this team is good, we all see it... we can make it great w/the right moves... if we're not gonna get Melo then really there's no point in saving the cap space in the next couple years regardless, so taking on Iggy's contract isn't as worrysome to me as much as i'm attracted to the potential benefit of adding a dynamic player like Iggy who would bring some defensive tenacity on the perimeter & help us match up against teams like Miami, Boston, etc. in a playoff series.

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12/8/2010  10:25 PM
If Denver doesn't think Felton has value, then their management is clueless.

And they might not value our youth in terms of Chandler or Gallo, but that is as much as they might get at the deadline or in the off season.

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12/8/2010  10:54 PM
No need to do anything yet. If Denver is ready to call it quits, Melo will find his way here sooner or later. If he wont sign with Denver, what on god's green earth would make him sign with the atrocious swamprats? Do you guys really beleive Melo has not been watching our recent success keenly? If he wants a piece of the action he is coming to the Knicks. Felton + Amare >>>>>> Swampthings
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12/8/2010  10:55 PM
franco12 wrote:If Denver doesn't think Felton has value, then their management is clueless.

Fixed.

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12/8/2010  10:56 PM
franco12 wrote:If Denver doesn't think Felton has value, then their management is clueless.

And they might not value our youth in terms of Chandler or Gallo, but that is as much as they might get at the deadline or in the off season.

Point guard Raymond Felton -- who has been on an offensive tear since gaining chemistry with Stoudemire and who becomes trade-eligible on Dec. 15 -- also does not interest the Nuggets, who view him as a halfcourt player who wouldn't fit their style.

yeah, i couldn't understand the above from the article. Perhaps they are not even watching or scouting Knicks' games. LOL

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12/8/2010  10:57 PM
Am I the only one who feels Iggy isnt even an upgrade over Chandler?

Iggy shoots horrible from the field and is a turnover machine

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12/8/2010  10:58 PM
Knicks winning is ruining Melo's trade value. He has made it clear that he wants to go to the Knicks. Another team would be stupid to trade with Denver and give them fair market value since they will only have him for a half a year.
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12/8/2010  11:03 PM
martin wrote:• Speaking of Madison Square Garden, rival execs agree that New York would be a logical landing spot for Andre Iguodala, and they believe the Sixers will be more than open to discussing trades for the dynamic but high-priced swingman as the Feb. 24 deadline approaches. The Knicks, one of the few teams in a position to absorb salary in the uncertain labor environment, also would be looking for an attractive piece to pair with Stoudemire in the event the Nuggets follow through with an Anthony trade prior to the deadline. Team president Donnie Walsh would have to decide if, short of Anthony, Iguodala is the best option that will be available to him between now and 2011 free agency -- if and when that happens. And also, if Iguodala is worth giving up the cap flexibility he's toiled three years to create. Pricetag notwithstanding -- the 26-year-old is due $56.5 million over the next four years -- Iguodala would be an excellent fit for Mike D'Antoni's high-octane offense and would instantly become the best defender on the roster by a mile.

now I know that posters that took me to task over my stance that AI2 would be a great fit for the Knicks, if Donnie decides it is the best the team can do will man up and say "sorry Supreme." Oh who am I kidding

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12/8/2010  11:03 PM
TMS wrote:
• With the Trail Blazers' obvious struggles and the health challenges (that's putting it mildly) of Greg Oden and Brandon Roy, two people with knowledge of the team's strategy told CBSSports.com that Portland management is contemplating trading older players and going young. The obvious targets for such a purge would be Marcus Camby (36), Andre Miller (34), and Joel Pryzbilla (31).

if DEN ends up trading Melo to NJ, i say offer up AR, Mozgov & Buike's expiring for Camby, & make a trade for Iguodala & a filler like Battie using Wilson, Curry's expiring & both our 2nd round picks

C - Camby / Turiaf
PF - Amare / Battie
SF - Gallo / Williams / Walker
SG - Iguodala / Fields / Mason / Rautins
PG - Felton / Douglas

u could easily find a bench PF/C out of the D Leagues to give ur bench a little depth if Battie can't fill the role adequately... that roster would be awesome defensively & excel in an uptempo style of play.

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Why is everyone in such a hurry to trade Chandler?

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12/8/2010  11:08 PM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:If Denver doesn't think Felton has value, then their management is clueless.

And they might not value our youth in terms of Chandler or Gallo, but that is as much as they might get at the deadline or in the off season.

Point guard Raymond Felton -- who has been on an offensive tear since gaining chemistry with Stoudemire and who becomes trade-eligible on Dec. 15 -- also does not interest the Nuggets, who view him as a halfcourt player who wouldn't fit their style.

yeah, i couldn't understand the above from the article. Perhaps they are not even watching or scouting Knicks' games. LOL

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What! Were looking to trade Felton now?

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12/8/2010  11:08 PM
I think Iguodala is a better player than Chandler - he's got it in him to be an all-NBA defender at the 2-3 positions... and overall has a pretty complete game. Back around the time he and David Lee dominated the rookie/soph game, I thought he was on track to become the next Vince Carter plus defense.

Not sure if his game is damaged as a result of playing on bad teams. Or maybe he needs a change of scenery.

At it stands, there isn't a HUGE gap in what Iguodala & Chandler offer. Chandler is an excellent piece to our team - doesn't overly demand the ball - just a quiet #3 or #4 option on offense who does what he's supposed to do like a 3rd or 4th wide receiver.

With a dominant PG and a dominant big man already in place - how much room do we really have for another superstar?

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12/8/2010  11:11 PM
orangeblobman wrote:That's crazy TMS, that's just wild. AR, Mozgov, and Chandler for a shot at Iggy? Iggy is WACK, bro, and a horrendous contract. Iggy ain't about nothing, he's not about anything. And AR, he's not playing now, but the kid is a baller, he just needs an attitude adjustment, kill me, shoot me dead with a handgun if he's not contributing swats, boards, and some buckets by the end of this year.

God I agree with this..... Iggy is not gonna make us better!!

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12/8/2010  11:11 PM
technomaster wrote:I think Iguodala is a better player than Chandler - he's got it in him to be an all-NBA defender at the 2-3 positions... and overall has a pretty complete game. Back around the time he and David Lee dominated the rookie/soph game, I thought he was on track to become the next Vince Carter plus defense.

Not sure if his game is damaged as a result of playing on bad teams. Or maybe he needs a change of scenery.

At it stands, there isn't a HUGE gap in what Iguodala & Chandler offer. Chandler is an excellent piece to our team - doesn't overly demand the ball - just a quiet #3 or #4 option on offense who does what he's supposed to do like a 3rd or 4th wide receiver.

With a dominant PG and a dominant big man already in place - how much room do we really have for another superstar?

Plenty. See the likes of BOS, LAL, MIA.

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12/8/2010  11:16 PM
i would much rather get melo in free agency. we have a much better chance to reach the finals if we can move the younger guys for a big or another piece than to trade those for melo during the season.
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12/8/2010  11:20 PM
Biggamer3 wrote:Am I the only one who feels Iggy isnt even an upgrade over Chandler?

Iggy shoots horrible from the field and is a turnover machine

i value him more for what he'd bring on defense... Wilson is a good defender in the post & blocking shots, but he's not a great on ball defender against quick players who can break him down off the dribble... i don't think Iggy is that much of an upgrade over Chandler, but the roster above would give us a little better balance & more depth... better ability to match up against the top teams we're likely to face in the playoffs.

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12/8/2010  11:23 PM
Papabear wrote:
TMS wrote:
• With the Trail Blazers' obvious struggles and the health challenges (that's putting it mildly) of Greg Oden and Brandon Roy, two people with knowledge of the team's strategy told CBSSports.com that Portland management is contemplating trading older players and going young. The obvious targets for such a purge would be Marcus Camby (36), Andre Miller (34), and Joel Pryzbilla (31).

if DEN ends up trading Melo to NJ, i say offer up AR, Mozgov & Buike's expiring for Camby, & make a trade for Iguodala & a filler like Battie using Wilson, Curry's expiring & both our 2nd round picks

C - Camby / Turiaf
PF - Amare / Battie
SF - Gallo / Williams / Walker
SG - Iguodala / Fields / Mason / Rautins
PG - Felton / Douglas

u could easily find a bench PF/C out of the D Leagues to give ur bench a little depth if Battie can't fill the role adequately... that roster would be awesome defensively & excel in an uptempo style of play.

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Why is everyone in such a hurry to trade Chandler?

we're going to either have to pay him to stay, or trade him after this season... if we decide to pay him to stay, then he won't come all that cheap.

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12/8/2010  11:28 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:i would much rather get melo in free agency. we have a much better chance to reach the finals if we can move the younger guys for a big or another piece than to trade those for melo during the season.

so would i... i'm just saying IF we whiff on Melo this summer, then there's really no point in saving our cap space for 2011... i don't see us getting CP3 anymore, especially if Melo doesn't end up here in 2010.

if we miss on Melo, then i'd rather go after Iggy & Camby then sign up someone like Marc Gasol for example... i think it achieves much better team balance.

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