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BRIGGS
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12/5/2010  10:51 PM
Great game--but as much as Ive watched Carmelo this year--despite the team winning--the guy is not someone Id base my franchise on. I think by next year Wilson Chandler might just be flat out better than him. If you are asking me do I want to keep Wilson for 7.5-8mm or pay Carmelo 18-20m no contest--would not do it.
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12/5/2010  10:59 PM
You basis things on one game that you watch. Tell me this when Chandler has to go up against LeBron, Kobe he tends to dissappear. Melo goes at those guys toe to toe. I like Chandler on the Knicks more than Gallo because he simply the better basketball player. If the Knicks can get Melo and keep Chandler it will be so worth it. That would give the Knicks the much needed edge to I believe a championship run.
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12/5/2010  11:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  11:08 PM
Vmart wrote:You basis things on one game that you watch. Tell me this when Chandler has to go up against LeBron, Kobe he tends to dissappear. Melo goes at those guys toe to toe. I like Chandler on the Knicks more than Gallo because he simply the better basketball player. If the Knicks can get Melo and keep Chandler it will be so worth it. That would give the Knicks the much needed edge to I believe a championship run.

No he doesn't Wilson is getting better every game--give me 20 games with Wilson starting and lets see the #'s and wins.

I will say that I am disappointed in Gallo and want the player to pick it up and keep it up. I always think in sports its good to keep your own--its been proven for much of any sport--I mean the core guys.

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12/5/2010  11:14 PM
So basically, your saying Wilson Chandler can be a top ten player in this league next year? Not even close, my friend. Melo is still one of the purest scorer's in this league and other than perhaps Dirk, he has the best mid range game in the league. He's also averaging 9 rbs a game this year.

But, I will say this, I've always been a big Melo fan and I've caught about 10 Nuggs games this year. I may be reading too much into it but his body language and facial expressions aren't the same as in years past. I think he has mentally checked out of Denver. I'm not seeing the enthusiasm and the passion like before. I no he;s been sick the last week but somehting is a little different with him this year.
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12/5/2010  11:58 PM
before Amare got here you were saying you'd rather have David Lee at $9-10M per over Amare for the max too.
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12/6/2010  12:28 AM
Lets see how Wilson does against the elite talent.

What was is not what is going forward. Wilson might never be "better" than Melo but at 10 mil a year LESS there is a compelling reason.

With Cap space, one could say Wilson-Mark Gasol is a better talent than just Melo. Maybe Gasol is more than a 10 mil piece, but the MDA way requires some players to flat out go balls to the wall. If two for the price of one gets it done, its compelling.

The way felton is playing he still might be 3/4 CP3 but its at 1/4 the price.


Y'all can pine for future players thinking things will aways be better but Im just flat out enjoying this nice run NOW!

As far as Im concerned Melo should want to be here now! Along with others.

This run has go to make Donnies rehab go smoother. And Isiah stays locked up in his little hell hole.
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12/6/2010  5:14 AM
The difference between Chandler and Melo is the same as the difference between Lee and STAT- it kind of goes beyond numbers, even though I'm not fully convinced we should trade for him (we'd still need solid players around Amar'e and Melo, and if a trade would not allow that, then it's pointless trading for him). I guess our main options are Melo, or go after Gasol/Mayo, or just try to solidify PF-C and PG back ups- I'm not sure at all which one to go for.

Also I get the impression that Melo isn't really putting in the effort this year, since he wants out- a few people (including his coach) have pretty much said that, so he's not going to look great.
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12/6/2010  9:36 AM
Nalod wrote:Lets see how Wilson does against the elite talent.

What was is not what is going forward. Wilson might never be "better" than Melo but at 10 mil a year LESS there is a compelling reason.

With Cap space, one could say Wilson-Mark Gasol is a better talent than just Melo. Maybe Gasol is more than a 10 mil piece, but the MDA way requires some players to flat out go balls to the wall. If two for the price of one gets it done, its compelling.

The way felton is playing he still might be 3/4 CP3 but its at 1/4 the price.


Y'all can pine for future players thinking things will aways be better but Im just flat out enjoying this nice run NOW!

As far as Im concerned Melo should want to be here now! Along with others.

This run has go to make Donnies rehab go smoother. And Isiah stays locked up in his little hell hole.

Good points, although as a fan, instead of an online funny money manager, I'd rather see Melo. Chandler's a great role player who shines in spots, but he's not top 10 in the league. We've waited three years to be pushing the envelope now, not in two or three more years when Chandler might suddenly become Scottie Pippen-lite.

Anyone notice if there's been any weird, hostile work environment lawsuits filed in Florida yet?
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12/6/2010  9:45 AM
Nalod wrote:Y'all can pine for future players thinking things will aways be better but Im just flat out enjoying this nice run NOW!


Thank you Nalod. Well said. Enjoy the moment!
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12/6/2010  10:27 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Great game--but as much as Ive watched Carmelo this year--despite the team winning--the guy is not someone Id base my franchise on. I think by next year Wilson Chandler might just be flat out better than him. If you are asking me do I want to keep Wilson for 7.5-8mm or pay Carmelo 18-20m no contest--would not do it.

You're always good for a good laugh.

UK really needs to open up a "BRIGGS File" on everything ridiculous you post.
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12/6/2010  10:28 AM
Melo is so much better than Chander or Gallo right now its not even close. That has never been the arguement. Any Melo discussion should revolve around his cost, and whether the Knicks are better served (potentially) gutting the depth of their roster for Melo or staying pat.

Chandler and Gallo are showing that as 2nd and 3rd options they are a great combo. After Amare and Felton you have to deal with these two guys and so far teams seem to be able to deal with one, but not both.

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12/6/2010  10:32 AM
UK isn't the same without a new "Knicks don't need Melo" topic by BRIGGS each week
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12/6/2010  10:34 AM
scoshin wrote:UK isn't the same without a new "Knicks don't need Melo" topic by BRIGGS each week

well it is monday we could use a new one this one getting old

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12/6/2010  10:35 AM
scoshin wrote:UK isn't the same without a new "Knicks don't need Melo" topic by BRIGGS each week

Followed by the "we are Jason Thompson away from being a title contender!!!" posts. We had to read all summer about how great Anthony Randolph was going to be and how David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire. Randolph is a bum and now STAT is the best player in the league. LOL

BRIGGS is clearly a troll.
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12/6/2010  10:37 AM 
				Chandler		Gallo				Combined
DATE	OPP	RESULT		Rebs	PTS		Rebs	PTS	combined	Rebs	PTS				
27-Oct	@Tor	W 98-93		8	22		6	12	combined	14	34				
29-Oct	@Bos	L 105-101	6	19		3	2	combined	9	21				
30-Oct	Por	L 100-95	16	22		0	4	combined	16	26				
4-Nov	@Chi	W 120-112	5	10		6	24	combined	11	34				
5-Nov	Was	W 112-91	6	14		4	16	combined	10	30				
7-Nov	Phi	L 106-96	4	11		6	15	combined	10	26				
9-Nov	@Mil	L 107-80	2	11		3	5	combined	5	16				
10-Nov	Gsw	L 122-117	6	27		7	15	combined	13	42				
12-Nov	@Min	L 112-103	6	17		4	25	combined	10	42				
14-Nov	Hou	L 104-96	7	17		4	14	combined	11	31				
16-Nov	@Den	L 120-118	1	23		10	21	combined	11	44				
17-Nov	@Sac	W 113-106	4	13		4	27	combined	8	40				
19-Nov	@Gsw	W 125-119	6	13		0	23	combined	6	36				
20-Nov	@Lac	W 124-115	2	10		4	31	combined	6	41				
23-Nov	Cha	W 110-107	5	7		6	15	combined	11	22				
24-Nov	@Cha	W 99-95		8	21		7	9	combined	15	30				
27-Nov	Atl	L 99-90		6	15		3	4	combined	9	19				
28-Nov	@Det	W 125-116	4	20		9	20	combined	13	40				
30-Nov	Njn	W 111-100	11	27		6	13	combined	17	40				
3-Dec	@Nor	W 100-92	9	14		1	13	combined	10	27				
5-Dec	@Tor	W 116-99	3	21		4	6	combined	7	27				
Averages			6	16.9		4.6	15	combined	10.6	31.9
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/6/2010  10:42 AM
iSergio wrote:
scoshin wrote:UK isn't the same without a new "Knicks don't need Melo" topic by BRIGGS each week

Followed by the "we are Jason Thompson away from being a title contender!!!" posts. We had to read all summer about how great Anthony Randolph was going to be and how David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire. Randolph is a bum and now STAT is the best player in the league. LOL

BRIGGS is clearly a troll.

he may be off his rocker but he's one of the few guys around here who actually says something when he posts. Did you just troll this thread to call a guy a troll? Cmon dude...

Back to basketball...

above are the side by side production for Chandler/Gallo. They are a very productive pair of starters and when one is kept in check or has a poor shooting night the other seems to really bring it.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/6/2010  11:27 AM
Yeah, Briggs is far from a troll. You may not agree with what he says, but he backs up his posts with reasons why he thinks that way. Not sure how that makes him a troll. Just disagree with him and move on.

Personally I feel if you obtain Melo(via free agency) and move him into the Gallo role the team is instantly better if........Melo can fit into the team concept. He brings better scoring and rebounding and more daggerness down the stretch. If you make Gallinari your fifth option you are truly a legit team. Plus you could always deal Gallo to fill the big man defense/rebounding role. I see nothing wrong with obtaining the guy, but the cost is definitely a factor. Love his game, but I just think gutting your team of youth and chemistry to obtain him is a recipe for also ran status.

I just hope that people will like me
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12/6/2010  11:58 AM
Briggs has stuck with this team and kept posting through the past ten years of misery and hopelessness, taking all the losses and blown opportunites hard, and now some posters are attacking him because he's found some enthusiasm and belief in the team? Ridiculous- call him a troll if you want, but come the draft you'll be looking up his scouting reports and recommendations just like everyone else, every year.
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12/6/2010  12:10 PM
smackeddog wrote:Briggs has stuck with this team and kept posting through the past ten years of misery and hopelessness, taking all the losses and blown opportunites hard, and now some posters are attacking him because he's found some enthusiasm and belief in the team? Ridiculous- call him a troll if you want, but come the draft you'll be looking up his scouting reports and recommendations just like everyone else, every year.

No, I won't. I've read enough about Hassan Whiteside and Anthony Randolph and BJ Mullens and how bad Landry Fields pick was to know better.
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12/6/2010  12:27 PM
Sergio, you spend far more time worrying about Briggs than anything that is tangable toward the knicks.

Brigg's worst crime is putting too many thoughts out there to discuss. Some are very good, some are not.

BUt he sticks his neck out and TRIES.

AR has been far worse than anyone has dared to think and the Knicks are better even with him. Nobody sang the praises of Landry fields early but nobody wishes he'd fail so they can be right?

SOme posters contribute and some don't. Ignore that you don't like or wish to discuss. YOur obsession with it far outweights any positive input you might have contributed.
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