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How far can the Knicks go with a Pistons type of Team?
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nixluva
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12/5/2010  4:08 PM
We've often talked about the way to build a title contending team and how most of the time the title team has a certain build that involves a big 2 or 3 guys. Then we have the Pistons model, which actually is what we resemble most right now. If we can fix the Big man and PG issues we have just how good can this team be? We see that the team has a very high talent level and BB IQ level, which is one of the "Good Team" method of contender criteria. You have to have an abundance of very smart and skilled players that play the team game to perfection.

Felton, Amar'e, Chandler, Gallo, Fields has proven to be VERY good. This is basically the same formula Mike had with his 62 win team in PHX. Small highly skilled and smart rotation. IF and when we get Turiaf back, I would assume that we won't be seeing much of Timo, except against really big teams. I think an 8 man rotation is pretty much how Mike is gonna want to play it. 9 being on 2nd game of back to back. Thing is how good can this team get with this kind of roster?

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12/5/2010  4:09 PM
Not far enough.
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12/5/2010  4:21 PM
If we could pick up a Carl Landry or Nazr Mohammed etc..

Add a third PG

Mosgov improves by 30% in the next 40 games and turriaf stays healthy for 10-15 minutes a night

and Gallo gets back to that level he was at last year and at points this year

we can beat any team.

I don't know if I can buy Azubukie this year but S Williams looks like he negates that anyway

So I am saying jut one reasonable acquisition of a guy who can score in the post a third PG who can push Douglas to play better and for depth there and inside improvement--that is not much to ask for

That would be

frontline of

Amare Turriaf Landry Mosgov

Wings Galo Chandler Field Williams

PG Felton Douglas

We can beat any team in any series. We just need one more productive player upfront and soem depth in the backcourt.

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12/5/2010  4:22 PM
The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.
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12/5/2010  4:24 PM
Well I'm wondering if they add a Mayo and can solve the big man issues either with home grown or adding someone, that team would in effect be a Piston style of contender. I wonder how that kind of team would compete against the top teams. So far in the limited games we've had against good teams it's not enough to tell yet, but when this next part of the schedule comes up we're gonna learn a TON about this team.

IMO I think we'll be competitive and win a fair share of those games. Obviously we won't be winning at the pace we are now, but I think we'll be right there with those teams. If you told me we could add a Mayo to the current mix, would that be enough to push us up into the next tier with Bos, Orl etc.?

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12/5/2010  4:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  4:29 PM
I think the team as currently constructed, peaks at the ECF, and not this season. Personally, I think that's pretty good. I do think we could use a bit more size, but with the style we play, I don't think size is the big issue. I do think we'll be okay size-wise anyway, once Mosgov develops a bit more. Winning a championship in this era is going to be very difficult when right now there's three superteams in the Lakers, Heat and Celtics. At least, the Celtics are aging so they'll be out of the way in a few years.
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12/5/2010  4:30 PM
nixluva wrote:We've often talked about the way to build a title contending team and how most of the time the title team has a certain build that involves a big 2 or 3 guys. Then we have the Pistons model, which actually is what we resemble most right now. If we can fix the Big man and PG issues we have just how good can this team be? We see that the team has a very high talent level and BB IQ level, which is one of the "Good Team" method of contender criteria. You have to have an abundance of very smart and skilled players that play the team game to perfection.

Felton, Amar'e, Chandler, Gallo, Fields has proven to be VERY good. This is basically the same formula Mike had with his 62 win team in PHX. Small highly skilled and smart rotation. IF and when we get Turiaf back, I would assume that we won't be seeing much of Timo, except against really big teams. I think an 8 man rotation is pretty much how Mike is gonna want to play it. 9 being on 2nd game of back to back. Thing is how good can this team get with this kind of roster?

the piston did not have a super star like amare on there roster..

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12/5/2010  4:40 PM
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/5/2010  4:46 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

You don't think the Knicks can ball with the Celtics or Magic right now? We have to realize Felton can now be considered an All-Star guard for discussion purposes.

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12/5/2010  4:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  4:51 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

You don't think the Knicks can ball with the Celtics or Magic right now? We have to realize Felton can now be considered an All-Star guard for discussion purposes.

Ball with is one thing, but unless there's an injury, we're probably not beating those teams in a 7 game series. Personally, I'm just excited enough that we're playing so well and we have a good shot at the playoffs. We're already four games up on the #9 seed, so we're not close to the outside looking in for a change. Right now we're at the #5 seed and I think the four teams ahead of us would all be very tough playoff matchups.

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12/5/2010  4:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  4:57 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

You don't think the Knicks can ball with the Celtics or Magic right now? We have to realize Felton can now be considered an All-Star guard for discussion purposes.

ny has made stellar progress and proved it can beat the teams it is suppose to beat, plus beat teams playing above .500 ball. but to beat the elite, are the knicks there yet...

all an elite team has to do is stop amar'e. and the knicks offense grinds to a halt. that part of the knicks game needs improvement. reason why i want gallo to step up. reason why i want melo here.

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12/5/2010  4:52 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

I think you forgot who you're talking to.

It's the Blob. The Blob is here trolling.

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12/5/2010  4:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  5:02 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

I think you forgot who you're talking to.

It's the Blob. The Blob is here trolling.

Great men will always be polarizing figures.

Let's go back to the year the Suns came up. Steve Nash was a good guard going into the season, but not an MVP. And boom, what did they win, like 60 games?

Coach Mike's teams, when they come together, they come together in a big way. We're reliving 2004-2005 here, but with an Amar'e in his prime, one of the most unique players in the league in Gallinari, an Ill Wilson that's bursting at the seams, and a Felton as Nash 2.0 but stronger and a better defender.

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12/5/2010  5:02 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:The Knicks, the way they are now, can go to the NBA Finals this year. They have to ball hard in the playoffs, and it won't be easy, but they're there. If this were 2002, the Knicks would be representing the East in the finals, easy. Hands down. Put your hands down.

Come on... stop mixing the hard stuff with your koolaid

The Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Mavs and Lakers have zero holes in comparison to our team. Let's tone it down until we see that we can play with those teams.

I think you forgot who you're talking to.

It's the Blob. The Blob is here trolling.

Great men will always be polarizing figures.

Let's go back to the year the Suns came up. Steve Nash was a mediocre guard going into the season. And boom, what did they win, like 60 games?

Coach Mike's teams, when they come together, they come together in a big way. We're reliving 2004-2005 here, but with an Amar'e in his prime, one of the most unique players in the league in Gallinari, an Ill Wilson that's bursting at the seams, and a Felton as Nash 2.0 but stronger and a better defender.

are you watching this game in high-def? am i missing something,,, maybe i need to watch in hdtv too.

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12/5/2010  5:06 PM
The problem we have here is that a lot of you are looking at this team with goggles tainted by the last 3 or 4 seasons. Let's chop that off, chop it off your mental, let's live in the present.

Let's say, for example, you just woke from a coma and tuned into a Knicks game. What would you see? You would see Ill Wilson, Felton, Amar'e, and Gallinari in a fresh light, a unique light. You would see them as ballers, as winners, and the Knicks as a top 4 Eastern Conference team.

Look, 9-1 over the last 10, that has to be #1 in the entire NBA. What's up? Chop that 3-8 off and you have the best team in the league.

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12/5/2010  5:25 PM
orangeblobman wrote:The problem we have here is that a lot of you are looking at this team with goggles tainted by the last 3 or 4 seasons. Let's chop that off, chop it off your mental, let's live in the present.

Let's say, for example, you just woke from a coma and tuned into a Knicks game. What would you see? You would see Ill Wilson, Felton, Amar'e, and Gallinari in a fresh light, a unique light. You would see them as ballers, as winners, and the Knicks as a top 4 Eastern Conference team.

Look, 9-1 over the last 10, that has to be #1 in the entire NBA. What's up? Chop that 3-8 off and you have the best team in the league.

Dallas has won 9 in a row, so they're also 9-1 over their last 10. Not to take anything away from our achievements, but we haven't faced many teams over .500 all season (granted, the majority of the league is sub .500 right now). Everyone is encouraged, but let's not get carried away.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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12/5/2010  5:33 PM
We're going to hold off on the coronation for now, but the Knicks may be jelling sooner than we think. Still have to be tested against some of the more established teams, but no reason they can't be competitive as constructed. We can still use that backup PG and a strong 5 off the bench
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12/5/2010  5:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:We've often talked about the way to build a title contending team and how most of the time the title team has a certain build that involves a big 2 or 3 guys. Then we have the Pistons model, which actually is what we resemble most right now. If we can fix the Big man and PG issues we have just how good can this team be? We see that the team has a very high talent level and BB IQ level, which is one of the "Good Team" method of contender criteria. You have to have an abundance of very smart and skilled players that play the team game to perfection.

Felton, Amar'e, Chandler, Gallo, Fields has proven to be VERY good. This is basically the same formula Mike had with his 62 win team in PHX. Small highly skilled and smart rotation. IF and when we get Turiaf back, I would assume that we won't be seeing much of Timo, except against really big teams. I think an 8 man rotation is pretty much how Mike is gonna want to play it. 9 being on 2nd game of back to back. Thing is how good can this team get with this kind of roster?

the piston did not have a super star like amare on there roster..

I realize that we have Amar'e, but the makeup of the team still fits the idea. A team that doesn't have 2-3 All Stars, but instead has a lot of really good players that play a team game in order to win. Unless you add another All Star or 2, then this team wouldn't be built the way most of the title teams have been structured. My question is can we get this team so a high enough level with the right moves to fill in the holes we have right now?

Others have suggested adding a guy like Carl Landry or Mayo etc. I wonder if that would be enough to push the team over the top? My reason for saying this is cuz there's only one Super Star left that we'd have any chance of getting and that's Melo. So the chances are more in favor of a Pistons type of team. So what would it take to make that happen? Who could put this team over the top into title contention?

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12/5/2010  5:46 PM
OBM - This is why I missed you, such blind boundless optimism

Right so we won 9 games, best run since the 90s, all very cool. I don't think we can beat Boston or Orlando. I do think we can beat Chicago and I would welcome a 4 - 5 match up with them. Atlanta gave us issues but we may be able to beat them too, if we go in with a good defensive game plan.

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12/5/2010  5:47 PM
It is nice that we can have this discussion and not be considered crazy to consider such things.

If Turiaf can stay healthy and Williams is the real deal we need one other guy (maybe two), such as Azubuike, Randolph, Mason, etc., to give the team another shot in the arm, and we'll be in for an exciting ride this year.

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