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rojasmas
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12/3/2010  10:28 PM
He is in a Mike D'Antoni system. Everything is a little blown out of proportion statistically. He is a career 12-14 pts a game and 5-7 assists prior to this year. That said, he is balling. Could be a nice piece to our 55 win team with Melo next year. Things are looking up at the Garden.
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12/3/2010  10:33 PM
Felton IMO was always capable of playing better, but you have to see a player in the right situation. Nash was in the perfect situation playing in Mike's system and so is Felton. If you're a guard and have game you will LOVE playing in this system. It's setup to make good PG's look even better. For one thing you have a spread floor to operate in. Then you get picks and lots of targets to pass to. You get to play fast, even in the halfcourt.

It's a PG's dream, but only if you've got game. Felton is a good player so you see that he's able to take advantage of what the system makes available. I was worried a bit about the PnR., but now he's got that, so all is good.

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12/3/2010  10:46 PM
eff that. Ray Felton is good
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12/3/2010  10:46 PM
team is winning while dude is putting up good numbers as the pg in a system where the pg is huge...

hard to knock they guy right now. playing very well.

best pg we've had in ages.

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12/3/2010  10:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2010  10:47 PM
how come duhon didn't do this consistently?

oh right, i forgot it's amar'e inflating felton's stats this time around...

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12/3/2010  10:49 PM
I love watching a good point guard. Felton might be the best since MJAX.
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12/3/2010  11:44 PM
Who cares about stats?

Just win baby!

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12/4/2010  12:00 AM
The best thing is that we're getting a player who is performing not that far off from what we'd get from a guy like CP3, for a lot less money. I mean we all know Paul is great, but Felton is doing more than an admirable job leading this team. He's defending, hitting shots, breaking down the D, setting up teammates, pushing the pace... I mean really what else can we ask for? This is what we hoped to see from this guy. Now that they've gotten the PnR down, which was the only ?, Felton has moved up into the next tier of PG's in the league. That's more than good enough IMO. He doesn't have to be the best in the league individually. Just do the things this team needs to win.

Felton is one of the reasons this team is a top offensive team and winning games. If he came out of college and played for Mike from day one, he'd be one of the elite PG's already. He had the talent to be better than he showed up to this point, but not the right situation. Now we can see how much of a difference it makes when you give Mike a good PG. Felton is bustin his butt. I just don't want to burn him out. Gotta do something about the Backup PG spot.

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12/4/2010  12:10 AM
Felton has exceeded expectations by afar margin so far...... Is you erase first 10 games he is averaging 19 & 10

That's serious numbers ..... And he plays D

All for 7 million a year.......

How does Dudu's name even still come up? Felton is proving that Dudu must be absolutely WORST PG
in NBA....

Mad props to Felton........ All that being said would still like to see us get Mayo to help spell
Felton some at PG......

We suck when Felton sits!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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12/4/2010  12:13 AM
umynot wrote:Felton has exceeded expectations by afar margin so far...... Is you erase first 10 games he is averaging 19 & 10

That's serious numbers ..... And he plays D

All for 7 million a year.......

How does Dudu's name even still come up? Felton is proving that Dudu must be absolutely WORST PG
in NBA....

Mad props to Felton........ All that being said would still like to see us get Mayo to help spell
Felton some at PG......

We suck when Felton sits!!


Solving the backup PG spot is a HUGE issue. It's when we start to dip in our level of play. Just imagine if we had a competent PG to put in there when Felton rests?
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12/4/2010  12:28 AM
i have to admit... i'm just about there when it comes to Ray Felton

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12/4/2010  1:30 AM
It's still early, Ray is playing better than I thought he would. He's not elite, but he's definitely not a liability. He gives us a fighting chance each night and that's all you can ask for.
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12/4/2010  1:38 AM
umynot wrote:Felton has exceeded expectations by afar margin so far...... Is you erase first 10 games he is averaging 19 & 10

That's serious numbers ..... And he plays D

All for 7 million a year.......

How does Dudu's name even still come up? Felton is proving that Dudu must be absolutely WORST PG
in NBA....

Mad props to Felton........ All that being said would still like to see us get Mayo to help spell
Felton some at PG......

We suck when Felton sits!!

If you look back at some of the aug/sept threads, this is about were most expected his numbers to look like in this system..

Duhon avg close to 10 ast his first 8 wks as a knick

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12/4/2010  2:52 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
umynot wrote:Felton has exceeded expectations by afar margin so far...... Is you erase first 10 games he is averaging 19 & 10

That's serious numbers ..... And he plays D

All for 7 million a year.......

How does Dudu's name even still come up? Felton is proving that Dudu must be absolutely WORST PG
in NBA....

Mad props to Felton........ All that being said would still like to see us get Mayo to help spell
Felton some at PG......

We suck when Felton sits!!

If you look back at some of the aug/sept threads, this is about were most expected his numbers to look like in this system..

Duhon avg close to 10 ast his first 8 wks as a knick

weren't most predictions around 14-15 pts & 6-7 ast? (that's where mine were i know that much)... i think he's performed better than expectations, especially w/his leadership & defense.

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12/4/2010  3:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  3:36 AM
Yeah..yeah...he's good and played well. Also saw him go under a screen and CP3 knocks down a shot in his face in the fourth goes on a hot streak and knocks down a few jumpers in the last few minutes ..the Knicks just answered trading baskets.
You guys gotta be pulling my chain on the backup situation. TD had 4 assists pressured Paul and he had a scoreless stretch with Toney on him. He tried to take TD to the rack to end the third and it was not happening. When TD and Williams came in instead of Walker and we pulled away ion the third and fourth is when the game was won. It was won during that stretch with defense and Williams size and help defense contributed. As did Toney.
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12/4/2010  5:20 AM
Olbrannon wrote:Yeah..yeah...he's good and played well. Also saw him go under a screen and CP3 knocks down a shot in his face in the fourth goes on a hot streak and knocks down a few jumpers in the last few minutes ..the Knicks just answered trading baskets.
You guys gotta be pulling my chain on the backup situation. TD had 4 assists pressured Paul and he had a scoreless stretch with Toney on him. He tried to take TD to the rack to end the third and it was not happening. When TD and Williams came in instead of Walker and we pulled away ion the third and fourth is when the game was won. It was won during that stretch with defense and Williams size and help defense contributed. As did Toney.

Nice post. I got to see the game and I thought Tony was an absolute BEAST on defense. There was a stretch where he almost had like 3 steals in 5 minutes. (He got his hands on the balls but the team recovered - my point is he was disturbing big time.) The good thing is that he is in a serious slump. He will come around.

Felton is playing excellent, this is not due to SSOL, just ask his predecessor. Felton is showing grit (and ok, maybe an excess of painful facial expressions - but whatever works for him.) We really need to see what Rautins can do as a backup PG (with Douglas at times). (I'm just talking 5 minutes at first.) The problem with Rautins is that he will probably expose us defensively, but we have to see. Some of Feltons passes, every game now, are needle threading to Stat. They are really starting to click. He is playing really good defense all the while running up and down the court like a madman - he needs a backup, we don't want to see him hurt.

We need another big and another PG. Mos needs more time but is showing flashes, he is just overmatched. He is not going anywhere. Also, lets not forget that Turiaf is hurt, so that is hurting us, even though he isnt much on offense.

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12/4/2010  6:18 AM
Felton's played hard and smart. The system has helped, but on the other hand the system he played in before coming here probably hurt him. Felton's been a difference maker. I was skeptical about the size of his contract when he signed, but he's clearly earning it.
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12/4/2010  12:10 PM
Felton is playing to my expectations. I always thought he was this good coming out of college but he was restricted by Larry Ball down in Charlotte. Some of his stats are inflated by the pace, but he is playing a great PG for NYK and you can see the difference when this offense has a good PG running it vs. a scrap heap guy like Duhon.
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12/4/2010  12:21 PM
VDesai wrote:Felton is playing to my expectations. I always thought he was this good coming out of college but he was restricted by Larry Ball down in Charlotte. Some of his stats are inflated by the pace, but he is playing a great PG for NYK and you can see the difference when this offense has a good PG running it vs. a scrap heap guy like Duhon.

I remember the knock on him coming out of UNC was that he played too fast for his supporting cast (even though they won it) and that if he wasn't in fifth or sixth gear he wasn't very good. Well, he learned how to play slow half court sets with LB and he now has the complete package. Larry might've stolen a bunch of MSG's money but he essentially developed our second best asset

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12/4/2010  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  12:25 PM
What's this "he's in MDA's 'system'"? I don't get that, man. You're judging a player based on a system that he's not playing in? That's crazy. This is what it is, and he's putting up baller numbers. If I'm going to one college and you come along and tell me that, 'well, if you were going to this other college, you would be a wack student' but what does that have to do with what I'm doing now, man? If you come along and tell me 'well, there are tons of people that are homeless', yea but I'm not homeless, I have my own set of problems relative to the circumstances of my present situation. I'm not homeless, Felton isn't homeless; Felton is a baller.

And really, you know, then you can say well this system is this and this one is that, Coach Mike is wack, but that's a different question. And really, the Knicks are 11-9 and over the last 10 they're the #1 team in the league. So this is valid, it's more than valid, it's a winning team, what's the deal. Felton is balling on a winning team, what's up, man?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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