For a C?

BigSm00th wrote:trade gallo, AR, douglas for him!!!!!!!

You jest, but he would be a good complimentary player to Amare.

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:trade gallo, AR, douglas for him!!!!!!!

You jest, but he would be a good complimentary player to Amare.

i'm not in agreement w/u on that one Panos... Amare seems to struggle when playing next to a bruising style C that clogs up the lane... he didn't do all that great playing with Shaq & he's looked uncomfortable playing next to Mozgov... i think he's better off playing next to someone like Camby who doesn't camp out in the post & can hit an open midrange J, or even guys like (MDA & dj splooge about to pop off here) Bargnani or Okur, guys who can stretch the defense w/their perimeter shooting ability & won't clog up the inside so Amare can do his thing.

Perhaps, but where does the defense and rebounding come from? You can't win games without those elements.

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:trade gallo, AR, douglas for him!!!!!!!

You jest, but he would be a good complimentary player to Amare.

i'm not in agreement w/u on that one Panos... Amare seems to struggle when playing next to a bruising style C that clogs up the lane... he didn't do all that great playing with Shaq & he's looked uncomfortable playing next to Mozgov... i think he's better off playing next to someone like Camby who doesn't camp out in the post & can hit an open midrange J, or even guys like (MDA & dj splooge about to pop off here) Bargnani or Okur, guys who can stretch the defense w/their perimeter shooting ability & won't clog up the inside so Amare can do his thing.

Perhaps, but where does the defense and rebounding come from? You can't win games without those elements.

i agree w/u on that one... i always thought Camby woulda been the best choice for us... i was pulling for us to target him but guys around here seem to think he was washed up... he's only averaging 11 rebounds a game right now w/his usual shotblocking & defensive contributions... nah, we don't need a guy like him.

Woulda been perfect. He's who AR should aspire to be like.

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:trade gallo, AR, douglas for him!!!!!!!

You jest, but he would be a good complimentary player to Amare.

i'm not in agreement w/u on that one Panos... Amare seems to struggle when playing next to a bruising style C that clogs up the lane... he didn't do all that great playing with Shaq & he's looked uncomfortable playing next to Mozgov... i think he's better off playing next to someone like Camby who doesn't camp out in the post & can hit an open midrange J, or even guys like (MDA & dj splooge about to pop off here) Bargnani or Okur, guys who can stretch the defense w/their perimeter shooting ability & won't clog up the inside so Amare can do his thing.

Perhaps, but where does the defense and rebounding come from? You can't win games without those elements.

i agree w/u on that one... i always thought Camby woulda been the best choice for us... i was pulling for us to target him but guys around here seem to think he was washed up... he's only averaging 11 rebounds a game right now w/his usual shotblocking & defensive contributions... nah, we don't need a guy like him.

Woulda been perfect. He's who AR should aspire to be like.

AR's trying to be more Rashard Lewis than Marcus Camby of late.

i've seen a different player and have been overall happy with his play as of late. In his first 2 or 3 games after injury (and in preseason) AR jacked up a LOT of shots. Last 4 games you see him moving the ball more and getting rebounds. Still making mistakes and I think his minutes have been limited by lack of energy and consistent effort.

oohah wrote:Brooke lopez sucking? not quite. He's had some great games and some really bad ones, some of which came against Miami and Orlando,both really tough teams: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/gamelog;_ylt=AtquLBOv4jJiJx59bW6mHlLVPaB4

I would trade Gallinari for Lopez without even taking 1 second to pull the trigger. But no sane GM would ever even consider trading away Brooke Lopez for Gallinari.

oohah

LOL, I have no idea why you feel the need to bring up Gallo.

Overall Lopez's stats have sucked. What kind of Center averages 42%? And not 1 double digit rebounding game. Out of 10 games for a massive 7 foot center getting adequate minutes.

Meanwhile, Knicks starting ROOKIE shooting guard is averaging more rebounds per game that Lopez. in 10 less minutes per game. And I would suspect that Lopez gets 1 or 2 freebie rebounds collected after missed opponent FTs a game. Oh, and that rookie SG has a double digit rebounding game already.

1) I bring up Gallinari because they were in the same draft, the Knicks needed a center, and they decided to go with a 3-point specialist while a solid center was on the board.

2) Brooke Lopez' 10 game sample of shooting 42.9 percent is not that good, I agree! His first 2 years in the league he averaged over 50% shooting. Look for the larger sample size to assert itself over the season as opposed to the 10 game statistical aberration you are currently focusing on.

3) Lopez could and should be a better rebounder, absolutely. And I am basing that on his career averages of about 8 boards per game as opposed to the 10 game statistical sample you are focusing on. What is your opinion on Gallinari's rebounding over his career? Is it satisfactory?

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That is interesting that the Knicks rookie shooting guard Landry Fields has averaged 0.1 more rebounds over 10 games than 7 foot center Brooke Lopez. Fields is also doing it in 6.5 minutes less per game than Lopez.

Another interesting fact is that Fields (Whom I like very much) is also averaging 1.3 more rebounds than Gallinari who is 6'10 6'11. Fields is also doing it in 2 minutes less per game than Gallinari.

I think Fields is showing himself to be a very good rebounder in general, wouldn't you agree? Lopez is average at best and Gallinari is below average.

My guess is that Lopez will get back to around 8 rebounds per game, and Gallinari will end up around 5 per game, as their career numbers suggest. Personally I find both numbers to be too small for their size and playing time, what do you think?

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Please tell me your opinion Martin, would any sane GM trade Lopez for Gallinari?

oohah

martin wrote:

oohah wrote:Brooke lopez sucking? not quite. He's had some great games and some really bad ones, some of which came against Miami and Orlando,both really tough teams: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/gamelog;_ylt=AtquLBOv4jJiJx59bW6mHlLVPaB4

I would trade Gallinari for Lopez without even taking 1 second to pull the trigger. But no sane GM would ever even consider trading away Brooke Lopez for Gallinari.

oohah

LOL, I have no idea why you feel the need to bring up Gallo.

Overall Lopez's stats have sucked. What kind of Center averages 42%? And not 1 double digit rebounding game. Out of 10 games for a massive 7 foot center getting adequate minutes.

Meanwhile, Knicks starting ROOKIE shooting guard is averaging more rebounds per game that Lopez. in 10 less minutes per game. And I would suspect that Lopez gets 1 or 2 freebie rebounds collected after missed opponent FTs a game. Oh, and that rookie SG has a double digit rebounding game already.

martin--one game of 12-15 from the field and hes 50%. He hasn't been rebounding well but I would think he will pick that up too. I think the Nets are better than the Knicks.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

oohah wrote:Brooke lopez sucking? not quite. He's had some great games and some really bad ones, some of which came against Miami and Orlando,both really tough teams: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/gamelog;_ylt=AtquLBOv4jJiJx59bW6mHlLVPaB4

I would trade Gallinari for Lopez without even taking 1 second to pull the trigger. But no sane GM would ever even consider trading away Brooke Lopez for Gallinari.

oohah

LOL, I have no idea why you feel the need to bring up Gallo.

Overall Lopez's stats have sucked. What kind of Center averages 42%? And not 1 double digit rebounding game. Out of 10 games for a massive 7 foot center getting adequate minutes.

Meanwhile, Knicks starting ROOKIE shooting guard is averaging more rebounds per game that Lopez. in 10 less minutes per game. And I would suspect that Lopez gets 1 or 2 freebie rebounds collected after missed opponent FTs a game. Oh, and that rookie SG has a double digit rebounding game already.

martin--one game of 12-15 from the field and hes 50%. He hasn't been rebounding well but I would think he will pick that up too. I think the Nets are better than the Knicks.

Lopez needs to go 25-25 in one game for him to bring his FG% to 50%

oohah wrote:

loweyecue wrote:
And a couple of double doubles to boot.

Well I guess it is settled. Landry Fields should be playing center for the Nets! I am sure he would command all kinds of double-teams just like Lopez, and average around 18/8 and 2 blocks per game while also getting to the line almost 6 times per game.

oohah

Huh? Oh! Never mind, it's you.