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martin
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11/16/2010  11:16 AM
last year Knicks Defensive Efficiency was 27th in the league - 3rd from bottom. This year so far we are 11th in league.

Last year Knicks 15th for Offensive Efficiency this year we peg out at 23rd.

Something to be happy about? Or are wins only measure of a team?

This year:
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff

Last Year:
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/year/2010

Offensive Efficiency - the number of points a team scores per 100 possessions.
Defensive Efficiency - the number of points a team allows per 100 possessions.

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martin
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11/16/2010  11:17 AM
so just to be clear, Efficiency takes into consideration pace of game.
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11/16/2010  11:19 AM
The D is noticeably better. It's the lack of rebounding and senseless chucking that's killing us.
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11/16/2010  11:20 AM
I don't know. Those last couple of games looked like the D was on vacation, especially in the 2nd half
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11/16/2010  11:21 AM
The fourth quarter offense this year has been attrocious. No surprise here. The defense has room for improvement, but oddly, it's our strength.
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11/16/2010  11:23 AM
Ironic considering who the coach is. Feels like swapping deck chairs on the titanic right now Martin.
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11/16/2010  11:23 AM
All that data suggests to me is that the Knicks are still struggling in a big, big way to put together a complete game. This "system" is not a fit for the current personnel. As previously mentioned, FG% and rebounding is noticeably deficient. In order to get better in one area, the team gets worse in another
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11/16/2010  11:30 AM
Sangfroid wrote:I don't know. Those last couple of games looked like the D was on vacation, especially in the 2nd half

I think I've noticed the same thing. And its really Effort all around that I think has dropped off. They started the year strong, but seems like folks have maybe realized that its 82 games and they need to 'pace themselves'.
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11/16/2010  11:36 AM
The D' was supposed to be a lot better, but Felton isn't the greatest on D'. He is OK and works hard, but he f's up a lot too. Fields is a rookie so he's going to make his mistakes. Chandler holds his own, Stoudemire does what he can but he's not the greatest. Same with Gallo. Mozgov is OK and Randolph has been dissapointing so far.

The only 2 real stable defensive forces out there are Douglas and Chandler. Randolph should be in that category but he is showing lack of effort at times, apparently.

Our jacking of 3s certainly can't help either because that gives the opponents the ability to get into transition. We certainly need upgrades and I'm not just talking about 'Melo.

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11/16/2010  11:39 AM
The key weakness to defensive efficiency is that perhaps we have played teams that are weak offensively and so numbers are skewed, dont know how to measure that.
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11/16/2010  11:41 AM
martin wrote:The key weakness to defensive efficiency is that perhaps we have played teams that are weak offensively and so numbers are skewed, dont know how to measure that.

I think you could look at the collective record of the teams we've played thus far- strength of schedule. If its a losing number, then I think you can argue our numbers may be skewed.
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11/16/2010  11:45 AM
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:The key weakness to defensive efficiency is that perhaps we have played teams that are weak offensively and so numbers are skewed, dont know how to measure that.

I think you could look at the collective record of the teams we've played thus far- strength of schedule. If its a losing number, then I think you can argue our numbers may be skewed.

losing or winning does not skew the numbers, offensive production would.

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11/16/2010  11:59 AM
The stats don't lie. Anyone who has been watching this season and paying attention could tell you that the offense has been terrible. When you play at a fast pace and your offense isn't efficient, the defense better be pretty decent or else you will be blown out. Fortunately for us, the defense has been good enough to keep us in a bunch of these games.

Defensively, we have been significantly better this season and the added shot-blocking has definitely helped in that department. Good thing is there is still room for improvement on that end as the team gets more comfortable with each other and the communication eventually gets better.

It's the offense that is the main problem and was one of my concerns before the start of the season. We don't have enough efficient scorers on this team and even back then, I was counting on Gallo to at least step up (which he hasn't but I think he will get going). We badly need to make Gallo our 2nd main option on offense and we need him to get going. I would love to see our offense feature Amare and Gallo more on the same side of the court (PnRs, etc.). We're not going to be a good team this season if we're depending on Chandler to chuck his way to over 20 points a game.

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11/16/2010  12:05 PM
The Defense is about where a typical D'Antoni team would be, perhaps a tad better, but the Offense has been so bad that it's nowhere close to resembling a D'Antoni team. I have to believe that if we can keep playing decent D, that at some point the offense will improve and get closer to what you expect to see from this team.

I just never thought the offense would look so lost. Even tho I didn't expect it to be clicking, due to the adjustments players had to make, but still... There's just no way this team should look so bad for such long stretches. Donnie may have to consider some help or a change at the PG spot, cuz this is not good. We've got some guys that should be able to finish at the rim and make shots, but no one to set them up. BAD combination.
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11/16/2010  12:10 PM
I wrote a blog on the Knicks defense....I think they need to make a trade to plug up the holes and fortify the rotation. It's a shame how losing a bit player like Turiaf can kill a teams momentum on defense. Knicks need to embrace that style of play and enhance it without destroying cap.
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11/16/2010  12:14 PM
EnySpree wrote:I wrote a blog on the Knicks defense....I think they need to make a trade to plug up the holes and fortify the rotation. It's a shame how losing a bit player like Turiaf can kill a teams momentum on defense. Knicks need to embrace that style of play and enhance it without destroying cap.

We saw the same thing happen when we got rid of Jared. He may not have been popular, but the guy really did help the team defensively. You need guys like that. We don't have many lunch pail guys, tho I think AR should become more of that type of guy. Fields does everything he can, but it's an underrated aspect of a teams composition.
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11/16/2010  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2010  12:48 PM
i believe we were in the top 10 in defensive efficiency (i think 7th or 8th) before turiaf got hurt. which means we've been worse defensively over the past few games.

he's the leader on that end of the court, for sure.

not sure i expect the d to be that good or the offense to be this bad (we've been much worse than even last year, especially over the last 5 games)

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11/16/2010  1:31 PM
you bring in guys that can block shots & the defense is bound to improve... now if we could only find guys that can knock down shots & run the PnR correctly, we'll be in business
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11/16/2010  1:33 PM
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11/16/2010  1:34 PM
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I wrote a blog on the Knicks defense....I think they need to make a trade to plug up the holes and fortify the rotation. It's a shame how losing a bit player like Turiaf can kill a teams momentum on defense. Knicks need to embrace that style of play and enhance it without destroying cap.

We saw the same thing happen when we got rid of Jared. He may not have been popular, but the guy really did help the team defensively. You need guys like that. We don't have many lunch pail guys, tho I think AR should become more of that type of guy. Fields does everything he can, but it's an underrated aspect of a teams composition.

I want Sam Dalembert...I think its too late though. He's a 8 reb, 2 block dude in 23 mins per game...That's the plug the Knicks need. He'd be great next to Amar'e and in front of Turiaf. Mosgov is a year away from contributing.

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