AnubisADL wrote:

Vmart wrote:I'm watching the Knicks game and as much as it pains me to say it. Ray isn't making anyone better. The good PGs get everyone involved I feel that offense is struggling with identity issues. They become stagnant you see players standing behind the three point line. The only one moving without the ball is Fields and he get penalized by the head coach for doing it. The fact that Felton doesn't have a clue how to run the P&R is actually hurting his other facets of his game which is creating easy opportunities for players by penetrating and hitting cutters throwing the ally oops. I know D'Antoni's bread and butter is P&R and jacking up threes. But this isn't a three point shooting team it never was and never will. So he needs to remove that aspect from the team and get a free flow offense going where player movement is needed a Princeton offesnse needs to be implement to get the most out of Felton's skills as a PG. The most likely outcome will be MDA will go down with his offensive style because he is set in his ways. What the Knicks should do is bring in a pg that can do what MDA wants or its over. Felton is a good player but he doesn't fit the system and its like fitting a square peg in a circle slot. I was think a pg on the cheap that might be in need of a change of senery might do the trick someone like T.J. Ford as a temporary rental to back up Ray Felton might be a very good idea.

I guess you didnt see him in Charlotte. He isnt a play maker. He is a solid PG when playing under control. This run and gun game is bad for him.

Felton does attempt to play defense and can get to rim. We just need a different coach.

We need to put the need a new coach idea to bed its not going to happen until his contract is up. Knicks need to think in terms of getting a player or two that will work in his system and still leave the team with flexibility for the future. Ford can help the team out I don't want to get into wishful think like CP3, Nash and Melo these things aren't going to happen. The Knicks capacity is the ability to get lesser players and Ford fits that criteria that would work for the Knicks.

Vmart wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Vmart wrote:I'm watching the Knicks game and as much as it pains me to say it. Ray isn't making anyone better. The good PGs get everyone involved I feel that offense is struggling with identity issues. They become stagnant you see players standing behind the three point line. The only one moving without the ball is Fields and he get penalized by the head coach for doing it. The fact that Felton doesn't have a clue how to run the P&R is actually hurting his other facets of his game which is creating easy opportunities for players by penetrating and hitting cutters throwing the ally oops. I know D'Antoni's bread and butter is P&R and jacking up threes. But this isn't a three point shooting team it never was and never will. So he needs to remove that aspect from the team and get a free flow offense going where player movement is needed a Princeton offesnse needs to be implement to get the most out of Felton's skills as a PG. The most likely outcome will be MDA will go down with his offensive style because he is set in his ways. What the Knicks should do is bring in a pg that can do what MDA wants or its over. Felton is a good player but he doesn't fit the system and its like fitting a square peg in a circle slot. I was think a pg on the cheap that might be in need of a change of senery might do the trick someone like T.J. Ford as a temporary rental to back up Ray Felton might be a very good idea.

I guess you didnt see him in Charlotte. He isnt a play maker. He is a solid PG when playing under control. This run and gun game is bad for him.

Felton does attempt to play defense and can get to rim. We just need a different coach.

We need to put the need a new coach idea to bed its not going to happen until his contract is up. Knicks need to think in terms of getting a player or two that will work in his system and still leave the team with flexibility for the future. Ford can help the team out I don't want to get into wishful think like CP3, Nash and Melo these things aren't going to happen. The Knicks capacity is the ability to get lesser players and Ford fits that criteria that would work for the Knicks.

Felton and D'Antoni expire the same year. PERFECT!

Vmart wrote:

TMS wrote:

Vmart wrote:What the Knicks should do is bring in a pg that can do what MDA wants or its over.

MDA needs an MVP calibre PG that can get everyone involved to be successful running this style offense.

TMS like I said that is not going to happen. we have to think about getting the best possible PG available that can run the P&R and make something happen for others when the P&R isn't there. Felton isn't doing these things.

How many PG's in the league fit D'Antoni's style? Now ask you yourself can we get any of the PG's?

AnubisADL wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TMS wrote:

Vmart wrote:What the Knicks should do is bring in a pg that can do what MDA wants or its over.

MDA needs an MVP calibre PG that can get everyone involved to be successful running this style offense.

TMS like I said that is not going to happen. we have to think about getting the best possible PG available that can run the P&R and make something happen for others when the P&R isn't there. Felton isn't doing these things.

How many PG's in the league fit D'Antoni's style? Now ask you yourself can we get any of the PG's?

Felton was the best available, I thought, over the summer. They could have also drafted Jennings, but with a need for a PG, went with a marginally talented big instead.

If the system needs to be adapted to fit personnel, MDA better get on it.

How many open jumpers did we see the Knicks take yesterday? How many times was the ball kicked out for an open jumper after penetration and a kick out?

I'm coming around to the opinion, which many on UK have reached, that MDA has to make adjustments based on the team he has, and not force-fit them into his system.

We don't have the PGs or enough jump shooters to make MDA's system work, and we have a number of people who continue to make bad decisions with the ball. That stretch in the 4th period was arguably the worst offensive showing we have seen by the Knicks under MDA, and other than Fields and Gallinari, and some others, to a lesser extent, I did not see much effort on D.

I like Felton, but he does not seem to be the guy to handle this offense, and as the topic heading hints- he is not making the guys around him better.

I continue to see Fields and Gallo cutting to the basket and not getting the ball when they are open. Why should they continue to do this if they are rarely going to get the ball?

As for our other PG, I believe that Dounglas may have an injury affecting his shot. He has had continuous problems the last few games, and given his work ethic, I think that there is something wrong with him physically. If there is, he should not be playing.

Very painful to watch.

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Felton has been a lot like Douglas IMO.

How many open jumpers did we see the Knicks take yesterday? How many times was the ball kicked out for an open jumper after penetration and a kick out?

I'm coming around to the opinion, which many on UK have reached, that MDA has to make adjustments based on the team he has, and not force-fit them into his system.

We don't have the PGs or enough jump shooters to make MDA's system work, and we have a number of people who continue to make bad decisions with the ball. That stretch in the 4th period was arguably the worst offensive showing we have seen by the Knicks under MDA, and other than Fields and Gallinari, and some others, to a lesser extent, I did not see much effort on D.

I like Felton, but he does not seem to be the guy to handle this offense, and as the topic heading hints- he is not making the guys around him better.

I continue to see Fields and Gallo cutting to the basket and not getting the ball when they are open. Why should they continue to do this if they are rarely going to get the ball?

As for our other PG, I believe that Dounglas may have an injury affecting his shot. He has had continuous problems the last few games, and given his work ethic, I think that there is something wrong with him physically. If there is, he should not be playing.

Very painful to watch.

The two biggest culprits launching outside were Felton and TD. TD took some really ill advised shots and Felton doesn't seem to be able to see his own players under the rim.

The problem with the prevalent opinion in the UK is this:

1. This year we have given MDA a talented team built for his style of play and he has no more excuses.
2. We don't have the PGs or enough jump shooters to make MDA's system work, and we have a number of people who continue to make bad decisions with the ball.

The same people keep saying both of the above or variations of them all over the place. Do you see a contradiction here?

I was a little hesitant in the beginning of the season as I am not very familiar with Felton. I thought TD would be better than this. We really need a pass first PG. Felton is more of a attack the rim type in the Dinglebury mold in that he wants to get his first. The only way Felton will be effective in this system is during the transition game. He should push the ball all the time when he is in. This is the strength of his game. He does not have the halfcourt skills needed for this system. Push the ball all the time then when we are in our halfcourt set, defer to Gallo as the point forward and let him create with Amare. Everytime Gallo had the ball and he drives to the basket good things happen.