I thought with Amare, and all the bigs we have, it would be PnR all day, but appearently thats looking more and more like a fantasy. I personally don't think Mike prepares his team enough, doesn't pay attention to the little things, and guy's continue to fall for the same moves over and over.

It's just a matter of time before the "fire mike chants start" especially if we get blown out like this at home. Frankly....I'm running out of excuses for MDA...

knicks1248 wrote:

franco12 wrote:Does Mike tell them to drive the ball? There are times they are open outside, and have an open lane to the basket. Why not dribble in, get to the lane, shoot a lay up or floater, or pass off or get fouled?

I go to belive he tells th them to take the 3, do not drive the ball, take the 3. How else do you explain it??

scoshin wrote:Eh, we do drive, but our drives lead to offensive charges, or little ball movement. No shot comes easy for us, even the ones we do make. We really lack a playmaker. Felton has been great in the open court...in the half-court, he gives the ball up way too early. Toney does a decent job getting into the paint, but he doesn't look to pass it when he does (or like last night, makes the pass after his feet leave the floor). Basically, a CP3 would change the entire outlook of our team, and would probably give us +15 wins alone.

Yes a pg can make all the difference in the world. Right now I would welcome a pure passing PG like Nash. CP3 would be over the top but that isn't going to happen for the Knicks. You have to get rid of the junk players out of the lineup. I like Felton he is a good player but I never thought he was the right fit for the Knicks. I know everyone hates Duhon but right now I wish we had kept him. Atleast he knows how to run the p&r.

I would hope that efficient 3 pt shooting can set up our P&R game, and also open up the middle for players who like to slash.

We don't have a classic back to the basket post-up scorer on this team who will cause a defense to collapse. Mosguv might have potential, and he is not a bad passer at times, but he's still a work in progress. Amare is more of a face to the basket player, as is Randolph, and I've seen no indication of the post-up game Gallo was supposed to be working in the off-season. Chandler may be our best player in the paint with his back to the basket, and I think Fields has some ability/creativity, but he has not shown it yet.

Folks have to accept that pounding the ball down low to open up the perimeter may therefore be something that is beyond this team's roster make-up at this point, yet I don't see why we can't be taking more midrange shots at times.

Gallo has to be a more consistent shooter, but he also needs to get the ball, especially in the beginning of the game, in position to shoot without having to create a shot. The same is true for Fields, who I'd like to see shooting more off drives and from the outside when he has a clean shot. The outside shot will also give both Gallo and Fields more opportunity to drive.

This roster is a shoot from the outside to open the inside group, not a go inside to open the perimeter squad. Add to this the fact that Felton and Douglas are sporadic in terms of penetrating and kicking the ball outside, and not top of the line P&R guards. I've also seen Fields and Gallo cut to the basket and get open but not get passed to by whatever PG was on the floor on a number of occasions.

As some have mentioned- guys have to take good shots, and not just settle for 3's, but the 3 is also a major weapon- I just think they should be taken within the flow of the offense, and not necessarily be the first thing you do if other shots are available.

It will be interesting to see how we play tonight. Definitely a "saving/losing face" game with Lee coming in. Hope we bounce back.

Paladin55 wrote:I know that in football a good running game can set up your passing game, yet you also have teams where the passing game sets up your running game.

I would hope that efficient 3 pt shooting can set up our P&R game, and also open up the middle for players who like to slash.

How about this angle: failure of a good PnR game has lead to more 3pointers. They try to run it but Felton and Amare just aren't clicking and the ball gets moved out and it's a deep jumpshot that's left.

Bip was right, Felton is holding the ball too long or just not delivering it with trust to his roll guys. Prob TD too. Too many times we have all seen Moz and/or Amare wide open standing under the hoop. Or Amare will be open for a flash but it gets closed down because the ball wasn't delivered early enough.

Sangfroid wrote:How far off is Azibuke? Some mid-range threat is necessary to open up the game. A dribble-drive or a pull up jump shooter will take some of the pressure off and allow us to take advantage of available scoing opportunities.

there haven't been any updates really since the beginning of season, so I gotta assume that he is not close. January?

martin wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I know that in football a good running game can set up your passing game, yet you also have teams where the passing game sets up your running game.

I would hope that efficient 3 pt shooting can set up our P&R game, and also open up the middle for players who like to slash.

Bip was right,

Bip was right is redundant

martin wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

martin wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I know that in football a good running game can set up your passing game, yet you also have teams where the passing game sets up your running game.

I would hope that efficient 3 pt shooting can set up our P&R game, and also open up the middle for players who like to slash.

Bip was right,

Bip was right is redundant

Just keeping it real

fishmike wrote:Felton has played very poorly in the half court and I agree 100% with the guys who are killing him on the P&R. He has however looked amazing running the break, which has been huge in our 3 wins and the prior losses we played well in.

He's not giving the roller a step, he rolls with the roller (sounds funny but it's true) so there for he either has to make a perfect pass, or take the shot,(which he does most of the time) he rather take the shot then risk turning it over, but when the spacing his horrible, the timing is way off, and the ally oops look forced, you just continue to shoot the firts avaible shot (which is usually a 3) and live with it.

The bulls main focus was to stop the 3 ball, and couldn't figure it out when the time came..there's no defense for good spacing and ball movement...NONE..

I thought amare and felton where in the gym since august...