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TMS
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11/10/2010  1:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2010  1:36 AM
averaging 18.7 pts / 10.2 ast / 6 reb / 2.3 stl / 51% FG / 40% 3 pt. so far after his first 7 games, pretty much in line with his career numbers in every category... his team is 7-0 to begin the season.

this guy has not lost a single step & he would bring out the best in Amare's game & be a HUGE upgrade over Ray Felton... CP3 is the guy we need for this team to take off & fulfill its potential IMO... i'd give up every single young asset we have to get him here if i had to... that would practically guarantee Melo signs here this summer... i'd run with CP3/Amare/Melo all day long against any big 3 out there & take my chances.

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11/10/2010  1:34 AM
I agree... and Miami's big 3 may be the most talented, but they don't blend well... at least at the moment. One guy who distributes the ball and two guys with complimentary skills that need to receive it
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11/10/2010  1:40 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I agree... and Miami's big 3 may be the most talented, but they don't blend well... at least at the moment. One guy who distributes the ball and two guys with complimentary skills that need to receive it

word... Lebron & Wade are 2 alpha dogs that need to dominate the ball to be at their best... a CP3/Amare/Melo trio would be much more balanced & you'd have each guy with a clearly defined role, no confusion as to who is going to do the orchestrating & who is going to be the inside presence & who is going to score on the wing.

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11/10/2010  3:01 AM
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I agree... and Miami's big 3 may be the most talented, but they don't blend well... at least at the moment. One guy who distributes the ball and two guys with complimentary skills that need to receive it

word... Lebron & Wade are 2 alpha dogs that need to dominate the ball to be at their best... a CP3/Amare/Melo trio would be much more balanced & you'd have each guy with a clearly defined role, no confusion as to who is going to do the orchestrating & who is going to be the inside presence & who is going to score on the wing.

and if we get CP3, you're right, there is no way Melo resigns with Denver. We accelerate becoming a legitimate contender significantly by getting him.

I would do a Felton + every young asset on the roster in a heart beat. Miami was a complete starphuch, Boston and San Antonio have their trio, the Lakers are the Lakers, and players sign at discounts all the friggin time to try to get some hardware

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11/10/2010  9:56 AM
7-0 start means a contented CP3 who won't demand a trade, sadly.

We needed NOH to get off to an ugly start out of the gates so CP3 starts yelling for a trade by the deadline. Of course, if that happened, we'd have BRIGGS and co. claiming that CP3 isn't the same player after injury, or that Felton is a suitable stopgap and not much of a downgrade to CP3. I have no idea what we offered back when CP3 did put out trade demands in the summer, but I hope we didn't low-ball NOH. I said back then, and I still say now, that that was the guy we should've sold the farm for -- Gallo, AR, take back Okafor...whatever it would take.

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11/10/2010  10:05 AM
I don't see how the Knicks can get CP3 and Melo - CP3 will take a lot of assets to get and we would have to hope Melo signs as a UFA - which I am not sure will happen.
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11/10/2010  10:15 AM
I agree with TMS, if we get CP3 here first it will basically send a strong signal to Melo that we are ready to form our own big three which he will not be able to match anywhere else. Melo has already indicated he prefers not to sign the extension and this move will solidify his outlook towards the Knicks. CP3 is juts toooo good a player to overlook for Felton. -- I so wanted Felton and thought he would do really well. Dang!
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11/10/2010  10:18 AM
We been dreaming about LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo, CP3 and Nash. I'll even throw Rubio in the mix guess what we ain't getting none of them. As fans we need to stop BSing ourselves we ain't got shyt to give for Melo or CP3. If you guys are thinking we would deplete the Knicks if we made a deal for them you couldn't trade for those players if you put the entire Knicks in the trade because the Knicks have nothing nada that they would want. What we got sucks.

We got free agency: La-la wants Melo to go to the Knicks. CP3 in two years. STFU b*tches.

Now that my rant is over we can continue.

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11/10/2010  10:27 AM
Vmart wrote:We been dreaming about LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo, CP3 and Nash. I'll even throw Rubio in the mix guess what we ain't getting none of them. As fans we need to stop BSing ourselves we ain't got shyt to give for Melo or CP3. If you guys are thinking we would deplete the Knicks if we made a deal for them you couldn't trade for those players if you put the entire Knicks in the trade because the Knicks have nothing nada that they would want. What we got sucks.

We got free agency: La-la wants Melo to go to the Knicks. CP3 in two years. STFU b*tches.

Now that my rant is over we can continue.

Thank you for being your optimistic best, such a bright little ray of sunshine!!

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11/10/2010  12:21 PM
Vmart wrote:We been dreaming about LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo, CP3 and Nash. I'll even throw Rubio in the mix guess what we ain't getting none of them. As fans we need to stop BSing ourselves we ain't got shyt to give for Melo or CP3. If you guys are thinking we would deplete the Knicks if we made a deal for them you couldn't trade for those players if you put the entire Knicks in the trade because the Knicks have nothing nada that they would want. What we got sucks.

We got free agency: La-la wants Melo to go to the Knicks. CP3 in two years. STFU b*tches.

Now that my rant is over we can continue.

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11/10/2010  12:28 PM
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I agree... and Miami's big 3 may be the most talented, but they don't blend well... at least at the moment. One guy who distributes the ball and two guys with complimentary skills that need to receive it

word... Lebron & Wade are 2 alpha dogs that need to dominate the ball to be at their best... a CP3/Amare/Melo trio would be much more balanced & you'd have each guy with a clearly defined role, no confusion as to who is going to do the orchestrating & who is going to be the inside presence & who is going to score on the wing.

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I agree but it's wishfull thinking. It can never happen in New York.Too much nightlife and partying. We don't have the pieces to make it happen.

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11/10/2010  12:37 PM
TMS wrote:averaging 18.7 pts / 10.2 ast / 6 reb / 2.3 stl / 51% FG / 40% 3 pt. so far after his first 7 games, pretty much in line with his career numbers in every category... his team is 7-0 to begin the season.

this guy has not lost a single step & he would bring out the best in Amare's game & be a HUGE upgrade over Ray Felton... CP3 is the guy we need for this team to take off & fulfill its potential IMO... i'd give up every single young asset we have to get him here if i had to... that would practically guarantee Melo signs here this summer... i'd run with CP3/Amare/Melo all day long against any big 3 out there & take my chances.

this plan of attach I am down with. Assets for CP3 over Melo.

NO had better make a decision this season about what they are going to do with their all star PG and had better do a much better vetting process as to whether he is going to stay or not (ala TOR, CLE, PHO, and now DEN). He is looking good and raising his value through the roof.

One small knee tweak and their hopes of either keeping him or getting value for him may fade or disappear in a flash.

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11/10/2010  12:56 PM
Odds are we arent getting CP3 by trade unless Randolph becomes Garnett or Gallo becomes Dirk Nowitski.
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11/10/2010  2:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Odds are we arent getting CP3 by trade unless Randolph becomes Garnett or Gallo becomes Dirk Nowitski.

No we aren't getting him now, but the way NOH is playing may be good for us in the long term. Obviously NO is content not trading Paul and trying to build this thing around him. They are playing well, but clearly are a good regular season team but not a contender by any means. If they keep playing well, Paul will be content riding out his contract. At the end of the contract if they still don't look like a championship team he will up and leave them for a better situation. Hopefully that situation involves Amare, Melo, Gallo, Fields, Moz, Douglas and so forth. We may not be able to retain Chandler or Randolph along the way but our dream lineup is this in 2 years.

C Mozgov, draft pick or FA big
PF Stoudemire, draft pick
SF Melo, Fields
SG Gallo, Rautins
PG Paul, Douglas

A couple rebounding backup bigs makes us a championship team.

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11/10/2010  2:30 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:Odds are we arent getting CP3 by trade unless Randolph becomes Garnett or Gallo becomes Dirk Nowitski.

No we aren't getting him now, but the way NOH is playing may be good for us in the long term. Obviously NO is content not trading Paul and trying to build this thing around him. They are playing well, but clearly are a good regular season team but not a contender by any means. If they keep playing well, Paul will be content riding out his contract. At the end of the contract if they still don't look like a championship team he will up and leave them for a better situation. Hopefully that situation involves Amare, Melo, Gallo, Fields, Moz, Douglas and so forth. We may not be able to retain Chandler or Randolph along the way but our dream lineup is this in 2 years.

C Mozgov, draft pick or FA big
PF Stoudemire, draft pick
SF Melo, Fields
SG Gallo, Rautins
PG Paul, Douglas

A couple rebounding backup bigs makes us a championship team.

To sign Paul and have Melo/Amare on the team, we'd have to renounce our rights to pretty much our entire team, which includes Gallo/Mozgov, etc.

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11/10/2010  3:53 PM
scoshin wrote:7-0 start means a contented CP3 who won't demand a trade, sadly.

We needed NOH to get off to an ugly start out of the gates so CP3 starts yelling for a trade by the deadline. Of course, if that happened, we'd have BRIGGS and co. claiming that CP3 isn't the same player after injury, or that Felton is a suitable stopgap and not much of a downgrade to CP3. I have no idea what we offered back when CP3 did put out trade demands in the summer, but I hope we didn't low-ball NOH. I said back then, and I still say now, that that was the guy we should've sold the farm for -- Gallo, AR, take back Okafor...whatever it would take.

if NOH had gotten off to a bad start you'd have guys saying CP3 isn't worth trading AR for & he doesn't make his teammates better... the same ol' shpiel i heard months ago when we were discussing the topic... guys posting threads about how we should never target a guy like him... this guy is the top PG in the NBA, if there is any chance at all of trading for him, you do it, end of story... unfortunately right now we probably don't have a chance of trading for him w/his team playing like this like u said... but if u watched him at all this year i think it's obvious that he hasn't really lost anything off his game... dude is putting up monster #'s & he's leading his team to victories.

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11/10/2010  3:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2010  3:58 PM
scoshin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Odds are we arent getting CP3 by trade unless Randolph becomes Garnett or Gallo becomes Dirk Nowitski.

No we aren't getting him now, but the way NOH is playing may be good for us in the long term. Obviously NO is content not trading Paul and trying to build this thing around him. They are playing well, but clearly are a good regular season team but not a contender by any means. If they keep playing well, Paul will be content riding out his contract. At the end of the contract if they still don't look like a championship team he will up and leave them for a better situation. Hopefully that situation involves Amare, Melo, Gallo, Fields, Moz, Douglas and so forth. We may not be able to retain Chandler or Randolph along the way but our dream lineup is this in 2 years.

C Mozgov, draft pick or FA big
PF Stoudemire, draft pick
SF Melo, Fields
SG Gallo, Rautins
PG Paul, Douglas

A couple rebounding backup bigs makes us a championship team.

To sign Paul and have Melo/Amare on the team, we'd have to renounce our rights to pretty much our entire team, which includes Gallo/Mozgov, etc.

who cares? i'd give up everyone on this team other than Amare to get CP3 to NY... u put him next to Amare & Melo will follow... the rest of the roster u put together with minimum salary guys that take less to play on a championship contender like they did with Miami, or with 2nd round pick selections or D League filler... i don't care... just getting 3 superstars together on the same team like that would be huge for NY.

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11/10/2010  4:10 PM
Hope Chad Ford is right. This is from his chat today:

Dave G (DC)

Carmelo's going to the Knicks, right?
Chad Ford (1:18 PM)

All signs point that direction ... yes. Unless another contender in a big market is willing to trade for him and offers him the security of a big extension now ... I think it's off to NY this summer.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/10/2010  4:42 PM
TMS wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Odds are we arent getting CP3 by trade unless Randolph becomes Garnett or Gallo becomes Dirk Nowitski.

No we aren't getting him now, but the way NOH is playing may be good for us in the long term. Obviously NO is content not trading Paul and trying to build this thing around him. They are playing well, but clearly are a good regular season team but not a contender by any means. If they keep playing well, Paul will be content riding out his contract. At the end of the contract if they still don't look like a championship team he will up and leave them for a better situation. Hopefully that situation involves Amare, Melo, Gallo, Fields, Moz, Douglas and so forth. We may not be able to retain Chandler or Randolph along the way but our dream lineup is this in 2 years.

C Mozgov, draft pick or FA big
PF Stoudemire, draft pick
SF Melo, Fields
SG Gallo, Rautins
PG Paul, Douglas

A couple rebounding backup bigs makes us a championship team.

To sign Paul and have Melo/Amare on the team, we'd have to renounce our rights to pretty much our entire team, which includes Gallo/Mozgov, etc.

who cares? i'd give up everyone on this team other than Amare to get CP3 to NY... u put him next to Amare & Melo will follow... the rest of the roster u put together with minimum salary guys that take less to play on a championship contender like they did with Miami, or with 2nd round pick selections or D League filler... i don't care... just getting 3 superstars together on the same team like that would be huge for NY.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just pointing out that the fantasy of having Amare, Melo, and Paul can't include Gallo and Mozgov in it. Douglas is cheap and may be able to be squeezed in. Same with Fields, but we only have Fields on a 2-yr contract, and if he continues to play this well, he'll probably required $3M or so to resign.

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11/10/2010  4:49 PM
scoshin wrote:
TMS wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Odds are we arent getting CP3 by trade unless Randolph becomes Garnett or Gallo becomes Dirk Nowitski.

No we aren't getting him now, but the way NOH is playing may be good for us in the long term. Obviously NO is content not trading Paul and trying to build this thing around him. They are playing well, but clearly are a good regular season team but not a contender by any means. If they keep playing well, Paul will be content riding out his contract. At the end of the contract if they still don't look like a championship team he will up and leave them for a better situation. Hopefully that situation involves Amare, Melo, Gallo, Fields, Moz, Douglas and so forth. We may not be able to retain Chandler or Randolph along the way but our dream lineup is this in 2 years.

C Mozgov, draft pick or FA big
PF Stoudemire, draft pick
SF Melo, Fields
SG Gallo, Rautins
PG Paul, Douglas

A couple rebounding backup bigs makes us a championship team.

To sign Paul and have Melo/Amare on the team, we'd have to renounce our rights to pretty much our entire team, which includes Gallo/Mozgov, etc.

who cares? i'd give up everyone on this team other than Amare to get CP3 to NY... u put him next to Amare & Melo will follow... the rest of the roster u put together with minimum salary guys that take less to play on a championship contender like they did with Miami, or with 2nd round pick selections or D League filler... i don't care... just getting 3 superstars together on the same team like that would be huge for NY.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just pointing out that the fantasy of having Amare, Melo, and Paul can't include Gallo and Mozgov in it. Douglas is cheap and may be able to be squeezed in. Same with Fields, but we only have Fields on a 2-yr contract, and if he continues to play this well, he'll probably required $3M or so to resign.


What if Paul decides to come here for much less money and Amare and Melo give him the difference out of pocket? If we are calling this a fantasy then we can think whatever we want. I think most would have said up until a few days before it actually happened that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh was a major fantasy.
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