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10/28/2010  8:58 PM
In fact, Heard and another Thomas disciple, Walker D. Russell, are the two Knick scouts who were pushing Walsh to draft point guard Brandon Jennings in June 2009. But Walsh drafted power forward Jordan Hill, a player Mike D'Antoni favored and that decision proved to be a costly one for the club.

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I could care less if they worked out someone out of a stupid timeline--the NCAA is not fair anyway.
If anything they should be given a raise and more say after the fact!!!!!!!!!

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10/28/2010  9:04 PM
I'm kinda relieved to hear the knicks were scouting a bit aggressively.

As a franchise over the cap as we've been, this should be our number one priority. We should have more scouts than any other team unless there is some limit I don't know anything about.

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10/28/2010  9:32 PM
spilled milk.
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10/28/2010  9:40 PM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:spilled milk.

Yup. Let's move forward and enjoy this team.

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10/28/2010  9:54 PM
The article said that D'Antoni wanted Hill. D'Antoni does not want any players no matter how talented that might need discipline and mentoring. Hill was a pretty vanilla guy. Jennings had a ton of talent but didn't fit the character/compliance component the coach needs and wants more than talent.
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10/28/2010  10:04 PM
There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.
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10/29/2010  7:08 AM
Donnie got a starter at the 39th pick. We win some and lose others. So does every team. Including the bucks. That's why you need draft picks. Like stocks, sometimes you flat out miss, sometime you nail it and some times you sell to early or too late. Without picks nothing happens. Remember when we used to trade them all away? Or flat out bad picks?
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10/29/2010  7:49 AM
this again?
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10/29/2010  8:52 AM
Now I know why Walker Russell Jr. was always on our summer league team even though he stunk....
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10/29/2010  9:27 AM
Nalod wrote:Donnie got a starter at the 39th pick. We win some and lose others. So does every team. Including the bucks. That's why you need draft picks. Like stocks, sometimes you flat out miss, sometime you nail it and some times you sell to early or too late. Without picks nothing happens. Remember when we used to trade them all away? Or flat out bad picks?

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I think D'Antoni have a hard time comunicating with young players today. Until he realize that and do something about that his only answer is to exile or punish them till all comunications are dead. Players today are different than players of yesteryear. Thats why they put in that new no complain rule. Yet they allow the hocky players to fight with fists daily. Whats that about!

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10/29/2010  10:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2010  10:16 AM
Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Walsh confirmed that the scouts were high on Jennings last year. Walsh basically said they should have pushed harder for them. I will find the exact quote and update my post.

"I couldn't get a feel for his game," Walsh said of Jennings last month. "One scout said he thought Brandon Jennings was very good. I said, 'If he's that good you should come in my door every five minutes and tell me.'"

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_walsh_scouts_for_excuses.html

Walsh makes the final call on who we draft NOT the scout. Was the scout supposed to jump on Walsh's desk and stomp his feet until Walsh drafted Jennings?

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10/29/2010  10:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2010  10:22 AM
CrushAlot wrote:The article said that D'Antoni wanted Hill. D'Antoni does not want any players no matter how talented that might need discipline and mentoring. Hill was a pretty vanilla guy. Jennings had a ton of talent but didn't fit the character/compliance component the coach needs and wants more than talent.

D'Antoni wanted Jordan Hill because he could shoot jumpers in his workout. D'Antoni only cares about your jumper.

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10/29/2010  10:28 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Walsh confirmed that the scouts were high on Jennings last year. Walsh basically said they should have pushed harder for them. I will find the exact quote and update my post.

"I couldn't get a feel for his game," Walsh said of Jennings last month. "One scout said he thought Brandon Jennings was very good. I said, 'If he's that good you should come in my door every five minutes and tell me.'"

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_walsh_scouts_for_excuses.html

Walsh makes the final call on who we draft NOT the scout. Was the scout supposed to jump on Walsh's desk and stomp his feet until Walsh drafted Jennings?

uh, yeah, he was supposed to stomp his feet. it also says that this dude is not often in touch with the knicks organization and he was more contact with isiah than the knicks. AND he advised some HS player to go play for FIU... dude is shady and in isiah's pocket.

this whole story is all about the divisive power struggle that isiah is still leading in this organization. he did it against larry brown and now it looks like he's waging war against donnie walsh.

donnie's side puts out a story about the scouts behaving illegally so he is finally allowed to make changes to the scouting department.

isiah's side responds that his guys wanted jennings.

i'm so sick of isiah. he's toxic.

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10/29/2010  10:52 AM
Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Yeah, it makes you wonder how fractured this organization is. I never took the Isaiah Thomas rumors that seriously, but I think there are a couple of high ranking officials who do and are mounting their own campaign. Oh, well. What Knicks season isn't complete without an off the court distraction or two.
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10/29/2010  11:00 AM

Yes, if credible the scout should stick his neck out and be held accountable for his pick.

IF the levels of comminication is not there then fix it. If Donnie needs his boys on his side to do so then Donnie is right.

Other teams passed on Jennings also.

And Milwaukee has made some bad picks also in the last few years.

Hill was more polished and tradeable than would Jennings if he was not given the reigns right away.

Good for Milwaukee to get lucky and promote the rookie as they did. Usually is does not work that way. Young skinny arrogant players often flame out under the pressure and bright lights. Jennings gave a crap workout by donnies accounts and none of Isiahs boys jumped up and down to say otherwise.

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10/29/2010  11:00 AM
Is Jennings really playing so great? From what I see he still has problems shooting. (But then ago, so does Rubio)...
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10/29/2010  11:03 AM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Walsh confirmed that the scouts were high on Jennings last year. Walsh basically said they should have pushed harder for them. I will find the exact quote and update my post.

"I couldn't get a feel for his game," Walsh said of Jennings last month. "One scout said he thought Brandon Jennings was very good. I said, 'If he's that good you should come in my door every five minutes and tell me.'"

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_walsh_scouts_for_excuses.html

Walsh makes the final call on who we draft NOT the scout. Was the scout supposed to jump on Walsh's desk and stomp his feet until Walsh drafted Jennings?

uh, yeah, he was supposed to stomp his feet. it also says that this dude is not often in touch with the knicks organization and he was more contact with isiah than the knicks. AND he advised some HS player to go play for FIU... dude is shady and in isiah's pocket.

this whole story is all about the divisive power struggle that isiah is still leading in this organization. he did it against larry brown and now it looks like he's waging war against donnie walsh.

donnie's side puts out a story about the scouts behaving illegally so he is finally allowed to make changes to the scouting department.

isiah's side responds that his guys wanted jennings.

i'm so sick of isiah. he's toxic.

LOL more excuses. Isiah Thomas no longer works for MSG. Their is no power struggle because Isiah is ALL the way in Florida.

You seriously believe Walsh pushed the story about the scouts behaving illegally? It makes him look bad too.

Isiah could be dead and people will still make excuses about how his ghost is ruining the organization.

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10/29/2010  11:04 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Is Jennings really playing so great? From what I see he still has problems shooting. (But then ago, so does Rubio)...

Dropped 15 and 10 in his first game. Nice stats for a Sophomore PG. Needs to work on getting stronger to finish through contact.

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10/29/2010  11:06 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Andrew wrote:There were countless Jennings articles that were written during his nice run of play. Now after the scout has some bad news that certainly affects his employability in a bad way and this new information is leaked and sourceless? I highly doubt it.

Walsh confirmed that the scouts were high on Jennings last year. Walsh basically said they should have pushed harder for them. I will find the exact quote and update my post.

"I couldn't get a feel for his game," Walsh said of Jennings last month. "One scout said he thought Brandon Jennings was very good. I said, 'If he's that good you should come in my door every five minutes and tell me.'"

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/10/2009-12-10_walsh_scouts_for_excuses.html

Walsh makes the final call on who we draft NOT the scout. Was the scout supposed to jump on Walsh's desk and stomp his feet until Walsh drafted Jennings?

uh, yeah, he was supposed to stomp his feet. it also says that this dude is not often in touch with the knicks organization and he was more contact with isiah than the knicks. AND he advised some HS player to go play for FIU... dude is shady and in isiah's pocket.

this whole story is all about the divisive power struggle that isiah is still leading in this organization. he did it against larry brown and now it looks like he's waging war against donnie walsh.

donnie's side puts out a story about the scouts behaving illegally so he is finally allowed to make changes to the scouting department.

isiah's side responds that his guys wanted jennings.

i'm so sick of isiah. he's toxic.

LOL more excuses. Isiah Thomas no longer works for MSG. Their is no power struggle because Isiah is ALL the way in Florida.

You seriously believe Walsh pushed the story about the scouts behaving illegally? It makes him look bad too.

Isiah could be dead and people will still make excuses about how his ghost is ruining the organization.

So... the US has no affect on China by this reasoning. you do not have to be their to exert influence
for all we know Dolan calls Thomas on a daily basis.

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10/29/2010  11:11 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The article said that D'Antoni wanted Hill. D'Antoni does not want any players no matter how talented that might need discipline and mentoring. Hill was a pretty vanilla guy. Jennings had a ton of talent but didn't fit the character/compliance component the coach needs and wants more than talent.

D'Antoni wanted Jordan Hill because he could shoot jumpers in his workout. D'Antoni only cares about your jumper.


From my point of view Mike is a smart man and he knows that having a trouble maker or maverick type of player in the lockerroom with a fragile team is not a good thing. He's a manager and no manager wants a person that can't be controlled on their team. It's distracting and takes away time and energy from the main focus which is winning. Now in Jennings case he didn't help himself by doing things that gave the impression he was a bit wild and uncontrolled. It turns out he's not as bad as it looked, but given our history with players like Steph and Nate etc. You could understand if Mike was reluctant to have a guy like that as the centerpiece of his new roster.

Right now we don't have any drama queens and so we see a team that's focused on the job at hand. Isn't that a great thing for a change?

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