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10/26/2010  7:29 AM
We know Stoudemire is a legit MVP candidate who should average 25 and 9 and really take over for this team and be the most dominant offensive big in the league if he stays healthy and confident. Felton will get into a rhythm and be a solid middle-of-the-pack starting PG, being an clear upgrade over Duhon and averaging around 14 and 8 a game. Gallo is the one that holds the keys to the season, as he either takes a step forward and becomes a clear 2nd scorer on offense, or stays at the same level as last season and plays the same style with the same restrictions. If he doesn't take a step forward we are a 35-37 win team that is fighting for a 8th seed with 3 or 4 other teams. If he ends up averaging 18 and 6 this season or better, and is aggressive and effective early in games, the Knicks win better than half their games and finish 6th or 7th in the east, without Melo obviously. It's not to say that this is a make or break season for him because it isn't, he's still 22 and has all-star potential regardless. But for the sake of this team, he really needs to become a quality second option on this team, and prove that when another star is added to this roster in the future, he is a 3rd option on offense that can help you win a championship.
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10/26/2010  8:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2010  8:36 AM
if Gallo steps up & becomes that Allstar calibre player we're all hoping for him to become, then this team should be a 50 win calibre team IMO... i think that just by adding Amare it makes us a 35 win team right there... replacing Duhon, Fishlips, Darko & Hill with Felton, AR, Mogzov & Turiaf should add at least 5 more wins to that total... MDA should be able to milk at least 41 wins out of this current roster as is regardless if Gallo steps up or stays at the same level he was playing at last season... otherwise there's something seriously wrong w/how this team is being coached or prepared during practice.
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10/26/2010  9:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2010  9:03 AM
TMS wrote:if Gallo steps up & becomes that Allstar calibre player we're all hoping for him to become, then this team should be a 50 win calibre team IMO... i think that just by adding Amare it makes us a 35 win team right there... replacing Duhon, Fishlips, Darko & Hill with Felton, AR, Mogzov & Turiaf should add at least 5 more wins to that total... MDA should be able to milk at least 41 wins out of this current roster as is regardless if Gallo steps up or stays at the same level he was playing at last season... otherwise there's something seriously wrong w/how this team is being coached or prepared during practice.

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I hope Gallo steps up. I have been waiting for the season to start. Gallo must do more than shoot 3 pointers. He must rebound and if he is always lurking around the 3 point range there is not much chance for a rebound. This is it!! I will have my soda and chips out and my Knicks hat on. Let's go Knicks!

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10/26/2010  9:11 AM
Perhaps you can say that the key to the season is Gallo, but you also have to say that this season is a key one for Gallinari.

By the end of this season I expect to see a pretty closee version of the kind of player Gallo is going to be for the rest of his career. This doesn't mean that he won't improve as he ages and gains experience, but for me he has to show significant improvement over last year.

I don't know how much importance we should give to his pre-season performance, but other than being more aggressive on the defensive boards, he did not show me anything new. His shot will come around, unless there is an injury limiting what he can do, but he has to show a more refined post-up game, more movement without the ball, and greater efficiency going to the basket this year- none of which was evident during pre-season.

I think he could carve out a career as the kind of player he has been so far, but I expect more than just jump shooting from him and will be disappointed if he continues to play as he did in the pre-season.

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10/26/2010  9:43 AM
TMS wrote:if Gallo steps up & becomes that Allstar calibre player we're all hoping for him to become, then this team should be a 50 win calibre team IMO... i think that just by adding Amare it makes us a 35 win team right there... replacing Duhon, Fishlips, Darko & Hill with Felton, AR, Mogzov & Turiaf should add at least 5 more wins to that total... MDA should be able to milk at least 41 wins out of this current roster as is regardless if Gallo steps up or stays at the same level he was playing at last season... otherwise there's something seriously wrong w/how this team is being coached or prepared during practice.

I agree they should win minimum 41 games. Gallo and AR's improvement this year will determine whether they can win 45-50 or will only be .500.

If they are below .500 this year... serious questions need to be asked about whether D'Antoni is right for this team.

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10/26/2010  10:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2010  10:12 AM
TMS wrote:if Gallo steps up & becomes that Allstar calibre player we're all hoping for him to become, then this team should be a 50 win calibre team IMO... i think that just by adding Amare it makes us a 35 win team right there... replacing Duhon, Fishlips, Darko & Hill with Felton, AR, Mogzov & Turiaf should add at least 5 more wins to that total... MDA should be able to milk at least 41 wins out of this current roster as is regardless if Gallo steps up or stays at the same level he was playing at last season... otherwise there's something seriously wrong w/how this team is being coached or prepared during practice.

Not sure I agree that this a 500 team. We have too much unproven potential that may never come to fruition. As bad as Duhon and Jeffries may have played here, both brought playoff experience to the table. Obviouosly it didn't help, but AR barely played last year and is still a neophyte (whats up Clyde) and does not understand the game, and not to mention Mogzov is getting his first taste of the NBA. I think we are putting too much into potential. Also consider the East is a lot stronger than in previous years. I really dont see a very successful year in terms of wins and losses but hope I'm wrong.
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10/26/2010  10:47 AM
We upgraded at PF and PG and to me those are the two most important positions. That should be worth rVt victories in my view. Add in the supposed development of Gallo, Wilson and TD and there is more improvement. Take away the dysfunction caused by not playing guys that know that they are not part of our future like we had last year. To me that gets you to 41 wins based on talent. Unfortunately I have to take wins away due to inexperience. Some of our most important players are 1,2, and 3 year players that have never experienced winning. These guys will cost us wins this year.

My baseline is 38 wins.

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10/26/2010  10:48 AM
I really hope I'm wrong and I really do want to like Danilo Gallinari but I just don't see it. I don't think he'll be that much better than last season. Maybe 16/6 at best.
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10/26/2010  10:59 AM
I really don't see Gallo being a great player. His game just isn't that good. I do hope that he does become a good player at the least. 17 and 5 is what I see from him this year. He is strictly a three point shooter, drives sometimes to the basket with a lack of mid range game. After the preseason I'm not as optimistic as I was before the preseason about Gallo.
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10/26/2010  11:31 AM
I'm not really gonna base much of anything on the preseason. I think this team is gonna look so much different with a set rotation of 8-10 guys depending on the situation. The core 8 will play the dominant minutes and that is gonna make the game flow a lot differently than what we saw in preseason.

Gallo IMO is gonna come around and when he does he'll get a ton of minutes. That alone is gonna give him a chance to put up big numbers. Just look at what he's done in the past and imagine what he can do now without the presence of guys like Duhon and Harrington. I believe he's gonna get more touches and shot attempts and will gain confidence and respect of his teammates as a big scorer for this team. Amar'e and Gallo are the 2 top offensive threats we have and I fully expect that Gallo will be leaned upon to provide that scoring. The NBA regular season has a way of allowing cream to rise to the top. Preseason isn't always like that, so I caution those who are giving too much credence to what happened in Preseason.
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10/26/2010  12:16 PM
What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,
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10/26/2010  12:16 PM
What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,
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10/26/2010  12:26 PM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:if Gallo steps up & becomes that Allstar calibre player we're all hoping for him to become, then this team should be a 50 win calibre team IMO... i think that just by adding Amare it makes us a 35 win team right there... replacing Duhon, Fishlips, Darko & Hill with Felton, AR, Mogzov & Turiaf should add at least 5 more wins to that total... MDA should be able to milk at least 41 wins out of this current roster as is regardless if Gallo steps up or stays at the same level he was playing at last season... otherwise there's something seriously wrong w/how this team is being coached or prepared during practice.

Not sure I agree that this a 500 team. We have too much unproven potential that may never come to fruition. As bad as Duhon and Jeffries may have played here, both brought playoff experience to the table. Obviouosly it didn't help, but AR barely played last year and is still a neophyte (whats up Clyde) and does not understand the game, and not to mention Mogzov is getting his first taste of the NBA. I think we are putting too much into potential. Also consider the East is a lot stronger than in previous years. I really dont see a very successful year in terms of wins and losses but hope I'm wrong.

Amare & Felton are the captains of this team & both also bring playoff experience to the table... in terms of talent those guys are head & shoulders an upgrade over Duhon & Fishlips, it's not even close... if we can't win at least 41 games this season then there's some serious flaws w/how this team is being coached in my view.

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10/26/2010  12:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2010  12:30 PM
Bippity10 wrote:What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,

i think it all depends on HOW he's getting those 16 ppg... if he's just launching up 3's all day & floating around the perimeter & not using his size advantage against smaller defenders, then it's a negative... if he's taking the ball to the rack, getting to the FT line, shooting some 3's when he's left open, then it's a positive... i don't want Gallo turning into another Rashard Lewis

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10/26/2010  12:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2010  12:41 PM
Bippity10 wrote:What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,

That is something to complain about when you have been giving the green light, your a high draft pick and have shown enough flashes to warrant high expectations. Asking someone to play like there capable of playing is not to much to ask for.

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10/26/2010  12:40 PM
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,

i think it all depends on HOW he's getting those 16 ppg... if he's just launching up 3's all day & floating around the perimeter & not using his size advantage against smaller defenders, then it's a negative... if he's taking the ball to the rack, getting to the FT line, shooting some 3's when he's left open, then it's a positive... i don't want Gallo turning into another Rashard Lewis

You obviously can win with Rashard so its not all bad. Listen we all want him to be well rounded, just like we wanted allan houston to be. But if he doesn't improve his game and settles into a 16 and 6 guy that spreads the floor for the interior then that's not necessarily a bad thing. Its not what we want but that doesn't make it bad.

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10/26/2010  12:51 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,

i think it all depends on HOW he's getting those 16 ppg... if he's just launching up 3's all day & floating around the perimeter & not using his size advantage against smaller defenders, then it's a negative... if he's taking the ball to the rack, getting to the FT line, shooting some 3's when he's left open, then it's a positive... i don't want Gallo turning into another Rashard Lewis

You obviously can win with Rashard so its not all bad. Listen we all want him to be well rounded, just like we wanted allan houston to be. But if he doesn't improve his game and settles into a 16 and 6 guy that spreads the floor for the interior then that's not necessarily a bad thing. Its not what we want but that doesn't make it bad.

i would much rather Gallo becomes more Hedo (in Orlando) than Rashard in terms of the way he plays... i think that augments Amare's game much better... do a little orchestrating, hit the open J's, take his man off the dribble, play a little D... i think drifting on the perimeter all day long & just launching up 3's will make him lazy & complacent, & that's the last thing i wanna see out of Gallo... i think he's got great potential, but so far i'm not so sure he'll ever realize it to the fullest unless he becomes more aggressive & a more central piece to this offense... 16 pts is 16 pts obviously, but i think Gallo would be wasting a lot of his potential if he just becomes another 3 pt. specialist.

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TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:What's wrong with 16 and 6 or 17 and 5 from your small forward? It means he's not the star we hoped he would be, but. Are those numbers anything to complain about? Add in 40% from downtown and you are basically describing what a non superstar SF should be. It just means that Gallo is not our 2nd star and we have to build a different team,

i think it all depends on HOW he's getting those 16 ppg... if he's just launching up 3's all day & floating around the perimeter & not using his size advantage against smaller defenders, then it's a negative... if he's taking the ball to the rack, getting to the FT line, shooting some 3's when he's left open, then it's a positive... i don't want Gallo turning into another Rashard Lewis

You obviously can win with Rashard so its not all bad. Listen we all want him to be well rounded, just like we wanted allan houston to be. But if he doesn't improve his game and settles into a 16 and 6 guy that spreads the floor for the interior then that's not necessarily a bad thing. Its not what we want but that doesn't make it bad.

i would much rather Gallo becomes more Hedo (in Orlando) than Rashard in terms of the way he plays... i think that augments Amare's game much better... do a little orchestrating, hit the open J's, take his man off the dribble, play a little D... i think drifting on the perimeter all day long & just launching up 3's will make him lazy & complacent, & that's the last thing i wanna see out of Gallo... i think he's got great potential, but so far i'm not so sure he'll ever realize it to the fullest unless he becomes more aggressive & a more central piece to this offense... 16 pts is 16 pts obviously, but i think Gallo would be wasting a lot of his potential if he just becomes another 3 pt. specialist.

Id prefer he be more of a Larry Bird type then Hedo or Rashard. Do some orchestrating, hit 3's, postup rebound, get steals, but if he doesn't it does not make 16 and 6 and 40% bad. Now sitting on the perimeter can make someone lazy, but it doesn't mean you are lazy if you sit on the perimeter. You and I agree that this is where he has to become involved. You can still take a majority of shots as jumpshots and still be highly energized, effective and important to team success. There's a s difference between that and just standing on the perimeter and doing nothing like jumpshooters at the playground do. When I think of my game, I am a jumpshooter but I guarantee I'm tougher to guard then some of these more "well roundedN offensive players are.

Its not the amount of jumpshots he takes that is a concern. Its how involved he is at getting open, getting his shots and shooting in the flow of the game. Sometimes he does this and shoots 10 threes and kills the other team. Other nights he stands around and shoots 10 threes andkills us. Its not the amount of jumpers he takes that is the problem its his involvement in the offense

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10/26/2010  1:16 PM
TMS wrote:
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:if Gallo steps up & becomes that Allstar calibre player we're all hoping for him to become, then this team should be a 50 win calibre team IMO... i think that just by adding Amare it makes us a 35 win team right there... replacing Duhon, Fishlips, Darko & Hill with Felton, AR, Mogzov & Turiaf should add at least 5 more wins to that total... MDA should be able to milk at least 41 wins out of this current roster as is regardless if Gallo steps up or stays at the same level he was playing at last season... otherwise there's something seriously wrong w/how this team is being coached or prepared during practice.

Not sure I agree that this a 500 team. We have too much unproven potential that may never come to fruition. As bad as Duhon and Jeffries may have played here, both brought playoff experience to the table. Obviouosly it didn't help, but AR barely played last year and is still a neophyte (whats up Clyde) and does not understand the game, and not to mention Mogzov is getting his first taste of the NBA. I think we are putting too much into potential. Also consider the East is a lot stronger than in previous years. I really dont see a very successful year in terms of wins and losses but hope I'm wrong.

Amare & Felton are the captains of this team & both also bring playoff experience to the table... in terms of talent those guys are head & shoulders an upgrade over Duhon & Fishlips, it's not even close... if we can't win at least 41 games this season then there's some serious flaws w/how this team is being coached in my view.

Obviously Amare is an upgrade, however, while Felton is a started in this league, he's no where near the level elite pg 's. I think when you compare Felton to all the starting pg's, he may rank in the bottom third. The coach is always going to take a hit, regardless, but as I said, inexperience and relying on potential wil hurt. Also, as i mentioned earlier, theres something to be said about the improvement of the east
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10/26/2010  1:17 PM
I don't see him as being the all-around point forward talent that he was originally thought to be. I do believe he's a much better shooter and pure scorer, but his game has translated differently from europe to the NBA. I think he is a great 3rd option on a contending team in the future and his best comparison is Peja before the injuries.
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