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I don't think D'Antoni and Walsh are in agreement with the Melo trade
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10/22/2010  2:20 AM
Have you noticed Mike D'Antoni throwing Gallo and Randolph under the bus lately? Check out this quote

"When he was 0-for-7 [Tuesday against the Nets], his wrist wasn't bothering him," he said.

talking about Gallo.... Also called Randolph "weak" the other night.

Seems to me like maybe the hold up on the Melo deal is Walsh doesnt want to include both, if your D'antoni of course you want Melo for those 2 players... He might be fired by the time they develop... And Carmelo gets him deep into the playoffs this year.

I think Walsh is playing poker and D'antoni is blowing his hand...

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10/22/2010  3:53 AM
Hmmm pretty astute there... D'Antoni should allow the Master to do his job and just focus on coaching.
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10/22/2010  5:39 AM
If D'Antoni really wants to win, he'd better hope that we don't trade for Melo this year, and get him as a FA to add to our young team.

STAT + Melo + Gallo + AR + The Mayor is possible, we just have to be patient !

In the worst case, we trade for Melo at the trade deadline if Denver has its back against the wall. Curry + 1 player + 1 pick for Melo at the deadline, take it or lose Melo for nothing a couple of months later.

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10/22/2010  6:44 AM
Normally I'm critical of MDA- and I think he alway's wants something new and shiny, and he's not really willing to work. And adding Melo to AR & Gallo is a lot better than replacing them with him.

Now- there were some of his quotes recently highlighted of him talking them up, with the allusion that he was looking to talk up their value.

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10/22/2010  7:06 AM
I think the just the opposite.

Gallo played really badly and D'Antoni knows that if Gallo really focuses, he can usually find a way to play well. Also, anyone could see that AR was too timid as he approached the basket. Instead of enthusiastically going for the dunk, AR was wasting opportunity after opportunity.

D'Antoni simply wants both players to play better, because he wants the Knicks to win. In the longer run, finding a way to motivate both players will increase hopefully increase their value, when the turn the corner, not decrease it. D'Antoni is just coaching imo. The value of Gallo and AR depends on how they are playing in the present. His criticisms will be yesterday's news shortly, particularly if they start playing better.

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10/22/2010  7:58 AM
I think MDA has ADD and some issues with his father from childhood. His 3rd grade teacher picked up a slight lisp when he read out loud words that begin with the lettered "scl" but otherwise was very sociable. He walked a bit on his toes at age 4 but quickly stopped. Bedwetting issues were normal as he was super afraid of his brother teasing him. As an early potty trained male his "contol" issues over those that work under him and his drive for near perfection as evident by reviewing his coloring book from his 1965 family vacation to gatlinburg Tenn. reveals dominant tendencies to stay inside the parameters when presented and be critical of those who don't measure up to his expectations.

I deduct that he is in conflict with a trade potential as he likes Gallo and AR but is demonstrating it more with his body language and diet modification (chewing his food 3\4ths instead of his regular 7/8's tension rate and putting his hand in his pockets 3 seconds longer than usual.

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10/22/2010  8:46 AM
rvwink wrote:I think the just the opposite.

Gallo played really badly and D'Antoni knows that if Gallo really focuses, he can usually find a way to play well. Also, anyone could see that AR was too timid as he approached the basket. Instead of enthusiastically going for the dunk, AR was wasting opportunity after opportunity.

D'Antoni simply wants both players to play better, because he wants the Knicks to win. In the longer run, finding a way to motivate both players will increase hopefully increase their value, when the turn the corner, not decrease it. D'Antoni is just coaching imo. The value of Gallo and AR depends on how they are playing in the present. His criticisms will be yesterday's news shortly, particularly if they start playing better.

Coach on the floor and in the locker room, not in the newspaper and teh interwebs.

As to the original poster, If D'Antoni wants Melo, criticizing AR and Danilo publicly isn't going to help his case. Right now it's just devaluing those players and their appeal.

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10/22/2010  8:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2010  9:58 AM
FrenchKnicks wrote:If D'Antoni really wants to win, he'd better hope that we don't trade for Melo this year, and get him as a FA to add to our young team.

STAT + Melo + Gallo + AR + The Mayor is possible, we just have to be patient !

In the worst case, we trade for Melo at the trade deadline if Denver has its back against the wall. Curry + 1 player + 1 pick for Melo at the deadline, take it or lose Melo for nothing a couple of months later.

The worst case is that Melo is a NET in a week or two and NEVER plays for the Knicks. You want Melo, you get the deal done ASAP and not hold it up for athleticism and potential. I'm not saying the Knicks can get the deal done now, but waiting and assuming no one else will make a play and that Anthony and Denver are just going to wait out the season so he can go the NY is way too big an assumption. Either go after the guy with gusto or accept that he's likely going to play for NJ or the Bulls and the Knicks will be bit players in the NBA for at least another five years while the elite teams go after championships. Just providing the glass half empty POV.

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10/22/2010  8:53 AM
Nalod wrote:I think MDA has ADD and some issues with his father from childhood. His 3rd grade teacher picked up a slight lisp when he read out loud words that begin with the lettered "scl" but otherwise was very sociable. He walked a bit on his toes at age 4 but quickly stopped. Bedwetting issues were normal as he was super afraid of his brother teasing him. As an early potty trained male his "contol" issues over those that work under him and his drive for near perfection as evident by reviewing his coloring book from his 1965 family vacation to gatlinburg Tenn. reveals dominant tendencies to stay inside the parameters when presented and be critical of those who don't measure up to his expectations.

I deduct that he is in conflict with a trade potential as he likes Gallo and AR but is demonstrating it more with his body language and diet modification (chewing his food 3\4ths instead of his regular 7/8's tension rate and putting his hand in his pockets 3 seconds longer than usual.

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Great hypothesis Dr., but I have one of my own not as deep seeded.

Mine is more Freudian. Let us look at the name of his offense. Seven Seconds or Less....hmmm....maybe there is a more...ahem...adult issue at work. He is trying so hard to make this Seven Seconds Or Less successful because this Seven Seconds or Less strategy is not as successful in....ahem....other areas....?

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10/22/2010  9:16 AM
Elite wrote:Have you noticed Mike D'Antoni throwing Gallo and Randolph under the bus lately? Check out this quote

"When he was 0-for-7 [Tuesday against the Nets], his wrist wasn't bothering him," he said.

talking about Gallo.... Also called Randolph "weak" the other night.

Seems to me like maybe the hold up on the Melo deal is Walsh doesnt want to include both, if your D'antoni of course you want Melo for those 2 players... He might be fired by the time they develop... And Carmelo gets him deep into the playoffs this year.

I think Walsh is playing poker and D'antoni is blowing his hand...

WOW. Did D'Antoni really say that.

Dude is trying to get his Phil Jackson on.

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10/22/2010  10:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2010  10:12 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
Elite wrote:Have you noticed Mike D'Antoni throwing Gallo and Randolph under the bus lately? Check out this quote

"When he was 0-for-7 [Tuesday against the Nets], his wrist wasn't bothering him," he said.

talking about Gallo.... Also called Randolph "weak" the other night.

Seems to me like maybe the hold up on the Melo deal is Walsh doesnt want to include both, if your D'antoni of course you want Melo for those 2 players... He might be fired by the time they develop... And Carmelo gets him deep into the playoffs this year.

I think Walsh is playing poker and D'antoni is blowing his hand...

WOW. Did D'Antoni really say that.

Dude is trying to get his Phil Jackson on.

But Phil used this stuff on established players who may have been slumping or becoming too complacent. Publicly demeaning young and developing players isn't really the best motivation. Then again the huge frigging paychecks should be the only motivation they need, but it doesn't seem to work that way as often as it should (which is ALL OF THE TIME).

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10/22/2010  10:19 AM
FrenchKnicks wrote:If D'Antoni really wants to win, he'd better hope that we don't trade for Melo this year, and get him as a FA to add to our young team.

STAT + Melo + Gallo + AR + The Mayor is possible, we just have to be patient !


I would like to Gallo and Randolph remain on the Knicks at this point, but if you pick up Melo as a FA, you also have the option of trading either, or both, of them for pieces that might better fit a team with Anthony on it.
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10/22/2010  10:24 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
FrenchKnicks wrote:If D'Antoni really wants to win, he'd better hope that we don't trade for Melo this year, and get him as a FA to add to our young team.

STAT + Melo + Gallo + AR + The Mayor is possible, we just have to be patient !


I would like to Gallo and Randolph remain on the Knicks at this point, but if you pick up Melo as a FA, you also have the option of trading either, or both, of them for pieces that might better fit a team with Anthony on it.

Denver would trade Melo to the Nets for Favors straight up before the allowed him to leave for nothing.

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10/22/2010  10:25 AM
Elite wrote:Have you noticed Mike D'Antoni throwing Gallo and Randolph under the bus lately? Check out this quote

"When he was 0-for-7 [Tuesday against the Nets], his wrist wasn't bothering him," he said.

talking about Gallo.... Also called Randolph "weak" the other night.

Seems to me like maybe the hold up on the Melo deal is Walsh doesnt want to include both, if your D'antoni of course you want Melo for those 2 players... He might be fired by the time they develop... And Carmelo gets him deep into the playoffs this year.

I think Walsh is playing poker and D'antoni is blowing his hand...

On the other hand, devaluing them might mean that Denver demands both of them, and since Walsh only wants to deal one of them, the trade dies, and MDA does not get Melo.

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10/22/2010  10:30 AM
grillco wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Elite wrote:Have you noticed Mike D'Antoni throwing Gallo and Randolph under the bus lately? Check out this quote

"When he was 0-for-7 [Tuesday against the Nets], his wrist wasn't bothering him," he said.

talking about Gallo.... Also called Randolph "weak" the other night.

Seems to me like maybe the hold up on the Melo deal is Walsh doesnt want to include both, if your D'antoni of course you want Melo for those 2 players... He might be fired by the time they develop... And Carmelo gets him deep into the playoffs this year.

I think Walsh is playing poker and D'antoni is blowing his hand...

WOW. Did D'Antoni really say that.

Dude is trying to get his Phil Jackson on.

But Phil used this stuff on established players who may have been slumping or becoming too complacent. Publicly demeaning young and developing players isn't really the best motivation. Then again the huge frigging paychecks should be the only motivation they need, but it doesn't seem to work that way as often as it should (which is ALL OF THE TIME).

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10/22/2010  11:03 AM
grillco wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Elite wrote:Have you noticed Mike D'Antoni throwing Gallo and Randolph under the bus lately? Check out this quote

"When he was 0-for-7 [Tuesday against the Nets], his wrist wasn't bothering him," he said.

talking about Gallo.... Also called Randolph "weak" the other night.

Seems to me like maybe the hold up on the Melo deal is Walsh doesnt want to include both, if your D'antoni of course you want Melo for those 2 players... He might be fired by the time they develop... And Carmelo gets him deep into the playoffs this year.

I think Walsh is playing poker and D'antoni is blowing his hand...

WOW. Did D'Antoni really say that.

Dude is trying to get his Phil Jackson on.

But Phil used this stuff on established players who may have been slumping or becoming too complacent. Publicly demeaning young and developing players isn't really the best motivation. Then again the huge frigging paychecks should be the only motivation they need, but it doesn't seem to work that way as often as it should (which is ALL OF THE TIME).

Actually Phil stays ice grilling Bynum, always looking for chances to put Sasha on blast, got in Ariza's cakes back in the day. Phil picks his spots

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10/22/2010  12:55 PM
MDA is taking jabs at the players because he wants them to step the f'up. Gallo has a thousand and one excuses. AR is a soft player and his game is very weak he is a weak player and its shows, he gets man handled out there. He has to play stronger and be stronger on the court.
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10/22/2010  1:01 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
FrenchKnicks wrote:If D'Antoni really wants to win, he'd better hope that we don't trade for Melo this year, and get him as a FA to add to our young team.

STAT + Melo + Gallo + AR + The Mayor is possible, we just have to be patient !


I would like to Gallo and Randolph remain on the Knicks at this point, but if you pick up Melo as a FA, you also have the option of trading either, or both, of them for pieces that might better fit a team with Anthony on it.

Denver would trade Melo to the Nets for Favors straight up before the allowed him to leave for nothing.

Not if Melo refuses to sign an extension. The Nets aren't fools. Favors has lot of upside for them.

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10/22/2010  1:25 PM
Phil called Bynum a part time player and at one point called Kobe uncoachable. Hopefully gallo and randolph aren't whining as much as the fans are about what the coach says(could not imagine what you fans must think of jim calhoun) and are more concerned with what they can do to become better players. Guys like eddie curry need constant buikd up fom coaches. Any criticism or percwived criticism sends them into the tank. Guys like kobe win titles for the same coach that called him uncoac@hable. We want our guys emulating kobe or they don't belong here. If they can't handle this from the coach just wait until the press and the fans get to them. This is NY if randolph is so fragile that digs by the coach destroy his confidence then HE IS NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT IN NY. This city is not for the fragile
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10/22/2010  3:52 PM
If you could get Rudy as a role playing, knock down shooter and Carmelo... the defenders that Melo and STAT would draw would get killed by whoever was left to shoot. Slight problem that Melo is a 30% shooter from deep, but people guard him out there anyway, which is the point of our system.
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I don't think D'Antoni and Walsh are in agreement with the Melo trade

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