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Randolph--did gaining weight actually hurt him?
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BRIGGS
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10/21/2010  1:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/21/2010  1:32 AM
he is noticeably not as an explosive leaper--when he came into the league he was able to play well above the rim with force

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also positioning----he's in better position to get a rebound/make a play or moves into position to get the rebound while now he sits and watches the play from 26 feet also notice the explosion and now he has trouble at the rim

tenacity aggression agility and pursuit of the ball--notice tonight people ripped the ball from Randolph more than once--two years ago it was RANDOLPH at whatever weight he was --who was the guy using aggression force and explosion to get the rebound and make the play. His body while lighter looked physically better than today and he has lost agility &explosion which has effected his overall game


we havent seen Randolph one time get the rebound and go coast to coast--again I think its a product of WEIGHT gain. I think this is a player who needs to work with a personal trainer to find that explosion and whatever weight his best for his GAME if it is 200 pounds--who cares???


I think the coaches have used him wrong(he looks worse in terms of basketball acumen now that at GS)--he is not playing with intensity passion and he is constantly out of rebounding position--and I think his weight gain has taken away jumping ability and body agility which also drives body force. Its like a baseball player with fast wrists or a middle weight boxer--the weight gain has taken away speed agility and the explosion that comes with it. This is a guy who has a lot of potential--who can do a lot of things--he should NOT be playing 26 feet from the basket--he should be almost always setting up at the mid range post or even opportunistically under the basket---AND we need our strength coach to look at film and understand why this guy is not doing things he could do 18 months ago. All of these guys get paid a lot of money to help keep the athletes in premium shape--maybe AR took bad advice on weight gain--I dont know but I do know that if I SEE the FRIKIN problem than the Knicks training staff ahould see it and ADDRESS it.

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earthmansurfer
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10/21/2010  2:03 AM
I'd say any lack of athleticism at this point was due to the surgery (as well).
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10/21/2010  2:25 AM
BRIGGS... Man you are on another level with this stuff. I would say that there are several possible reason, but maybe it's a bit of many things rather than one. He may indeed be a bit off due to a weight increase, tho in most cases an athlete can adjust to this over time. Maybe his healing from the injury isn't quite complete in that he hasn't regained all of his explosion. Or perhaps it's just his not being as comfortable with what he's doing. When you are unsure you don't explode, cuz you're thinking too much and not reacting like you naturally would. I think he's trying to play more under control, rather than flying around wildly like he once did.

We have a trainer that is highly regarded for being one of the best. I think maybe you're reading too much into this.

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10/21/2010  8:05 AM
He is playing against highlight film. Its a tough opponent.
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10/21/2010  8:09 AM
maybe he's just not that good.
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10/21/2010  8:11 AM
Perhaps the Knicks should trade Anthony Randolph for Javalle McGee - or any other the players who BRIGGS falls in and out of love with? That presents many options!

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10/21/2010  8:13 AM
oohah wrote:Perhaps the Knicks should trade Anthony Randolph for Javalle McGee - or any other the players who BRIGGS falls in and out of love with? That presents many options!

oohah

now thats constructive
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10/21/2010  9:26 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:I'd say any lack of athleticism at this point was due to the surgery (as well).

Got to go with the injury factor.

Any weight he put on seems minimal, IMO, and the weight he did put on was not of the Eddie Curry variety, so the additional muscles should make up for the added weight.

The injury was obviously more serious than we were led to believe, and it might take the early part of the season for him to regain his past explosiveness.

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10/21/2010  11:08 AM
Nalod wrote:He is playing against highlight film. Its a tough opponent.

Exactly. All anyone ever posts and what most of us have seen of AR is on short youtube clips with bad soundtracks. And there's only highlights on those clips. No turnovers or forced shots.

Y'all been bamboozled.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/21/2010  11:20 AM
kam77 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is playing against highlight film. Its a tough opponent.

Exactly. All anyone ever posts and what most of us have seen of AR is on short youtube clips with bad soundtracks. And there's only highlights on those clips. No turnovers or forced shots.

Y'all been bamboozled.

How many times did you see Randolph play with GS--yes he made some bad plays--but totally different player--extreme energy and explosive--he still has the talent--you could see how many time he got to thr FTL this pre-season--but the special parts to his game are missing--how else can you explain the disparity in rebounding and finishing abilities--why did nBA players think he was an up and coming all star--from you tube or playing against him?

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10/21/2010  11:22 AM
if you watch Anthony Randolph , to me it is painfully obvious that his issues are 100% mental and 0% physical
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10/21/2010  11:23 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is playing against highlight film. Its a tough opponent.

Exactly. All anyone ever posts and what most of us have seen of AR is on short youtube clips with bad soundtracks. And there's only highlights on those clips. No turnovers or forced shots.

Y'all been bamboozled.

How many times did you see Randolph play with GS--yes he made some bad plays--but totally different player--extreme energy and explosive--he still has the talent--you could see how many time he got to thr FTL this pre-season--but the special parts to his game are missing--how else can you explain the disparity in rebounding and finishing abilities--why did nBA players think he was an up and coming all star--from you tube or playing against him?

Why did GS let him go?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/21/2010  11:26 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I'd say any lack of athleticism at this point was due to the surgery (as well).

Got to go with the injury factor.

Any weight he put on seems minimal, IMO, and the weight he did put on was not of the Eddie Curry variety, so the additional muscles should make up for the added weight.

The injury was obviously more serious than we were led to believe, and it might take the early part of the season for him to regain his past explosiveness.

stop showing those highlights, cause he looks nothing like them

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10/21/2010  11:27 AM
I want to see Gallo and randolph both playing at their optimum levels and playing smart. I really do not know if this is the coach for them--maybe to freelance--but that loses game discipline
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10/21/2010  11:29 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I'd say any lack of athleticism at this point was due to the surgery (as well).

Got to go with the injury factor.

Any weight he put on seems minimal, IMO, and the weight he did put on was not of the Eddie Curry variety, so the additional muscles should make up for the added weight.

The injury was obviously more serious than we were led to believe, and it might take the early part of the season for him to regain his past explosiveness.

stop showing those highlights, cause he looks nothing like them

That is the problem--becasue he did look like that

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10/21/2010  11:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/21/2010  11:30 AM
kam77 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is playing against highlight film. Its a tough opponent.

Exactly. All anyone ever posts and what most of us have seen of AR is on short youtube clips with bad soundtracks. And there's only highlights on those clips. No turnovers or forced shots.

Y'all been bamboozled.

How many times did you see Randolph play with GS--yes he made some bad plays--but totally different player--extreme energy and explosive--he still has the talent--you could see how many time he got to thr FTL this pre-season--but the special parts to his game are missing--how else can you explain the disparity in rebounding and finishing abilities--why did nBA players think he was an up and coming all star--from you tube or playing against him?

Why did GS let him go?

The cost of acquiring a proven 20-10 player wtf do you think D walsh flipped on youtube and said lets get this kid lol??

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10/21/2010  11:33 AM
He definitely looks less explosive. Why? Idk, injury makes the most sense. Maybe some of his bad plays he expected to be quicker and get past his man.
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10/21/2010  11:44 AM
Randolph is fine, he started slow but I think the fact that he is trying to play under control is the biggest positive I would take away from this. I think once he "gets" what he can and can't do in the flow of play his explosiveness will be back and he will be a more dominant player. The crucial thing for him is to get over the mental hurdles of both understanding the system, and getting his confidence back.
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10/21/2010  11:50 AM
AR has to learn how to use his mind as much as his body. BRIGGS playing for Mike is a net positive for kids like Gallo n AR if they learn how to take advantage of what he's teaching them. They have to learn when to go inside and when to look for other opportunities on the floor.

I know some would prefer a more standard halfcourt play where you have Gallo or AR have a play setup for them in the post but they need to learn that they have the freedom to get a post up or anything else. They keep choosing the lazy way out by jackin up jumpers rather than going to the basket or moving in for a midrange jumper.

If you watch Amar'e he mixes it up. If the defenders back way off he will take a jumper with confidence and not hesitate looking unsure if he should drive, pass or shoot like AR often does.

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10/21/2010  12:05 PM
loweyecue wrote:Randolph is fine, he started slow but I think the fact that he is trying to play under control is the biggest positive I would take away from this. I think once he "gets" what he can and can't do in the flow of play his explosiveness will be back and he will be a more dominant player. The crucial thing for him is to get over the mental hurdles of both understanding the system, and getting his confidence back.

In the quick timespan of 7 preseason games I have seen both AR and Moz adjust their games, so I am with the above. Neither are in the net positive by any means, but we've def seen baby steps here.

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