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Who Dat Say D'Antoni Don't Coach Defense?
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nixluva
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10/19/2010  10:51 PM
I felt this could be the case and so far i'm very happy with the progress of this team defensively. It seems that when we put Felton and TD in the game it really picks up the defense of the entire team. But even when it's the starters, you can see a much better TEAM defensive flow. Guys are out there watching their man and the ball and moving well. The rotations look sharp and quick on most plays, with only a few lazy shifts where they fail to get out to shooters.

Turiaf & Moz may foul a lot but it's usually due to them at least trying to make a defensive play. The real exciting thing is the ball pressure from TD and Felton when they're in there. We may have problems with the best PG's, I mean who doesn't, but the lesser guys will have problems with our guards being all over them.

Having a very athletic team like this is showing up in the defensive switching and doubling, but still being able to recover. Hopefully the defensive chemistry will only get better.

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10/19/2010  10:59 PM
I know man, watching TD and Felton trap people and create turnovers is soo sweeet !!!! And like someone mentioned in the game thread, when our backcourt turns up the pressure and they are backed up by our frontcourt, who are ready to swat the crap out of ppl Thats niiiiiiiiiceeeee
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nixluva
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10/19/2010  11:15 PM
ramtour420 wrote:I know man, watching TD and Felton trap people and create turnovers is soo sweeet !!!! And like someone mentioned in the game thread, when our backcourt turns up the pressure and they are backed up by our frontcourt, who are ready to swat the crap out of ppl Thats niiiiiiiiiceeeee

MAN does that feel good. We are avg'ing about 6 blocks a game and I can't remember when we last did something like that. The team is more complete defensively than we are offensively. You just had to think that with so much size and athleticism that this team was gonna be a bit better on defense. I really like that Mike said he was gonna look to put pressure on the ball and so far it looks good.

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10/19/2010  11:31 PM
nixluva wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:I know man, watching TD and Felton trap people and create turnovers is soo sweeet !!!! And like someone mentioned in the game thread, when our backcourt turns up the pressure and they are backed up by our frontcourt, who are ready to swat the crap out of ppl Thats niiiiiiiiiceeeee

MAN does that feel good. We are avg'ing about 6 blocks a game and I can't remember when we last did something like that. The team is more complete defensively than we are offensively. You just had to think that with so much size and athleticism that this team was gonna be a bit better on defense. I really like that Mike said he was gonna look to put pressure on the ball and so far it looks good.

Think its first time has had defensive players on his team.......

Really exciting to watch and yet we are so damn YOUNG!!.....

Lets let this kids grow and become better day by day ......

Even in losses I saw plenty of good things from our team but today was first
time we were in a flow..... Starts with Felton ... Him picking up his game makes us a scary
YOUNG TEAM!!

Loving pre-season for fitst time ever!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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10/20/2010  12:11 AM
I can't wait to see some blocks! It felt like we averaged about 1.5 blks per game since Camby left. We just DIED everytime an opponent drove into our lane.
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10/20/2010  9:32 AM
NewYorkSoul wrote:I can't wait to see some blocks! It felt like we averaged about 1.5 blks per game since Camby left. We just DIED everytime an opponent drove into our lane.

Have you forgotten the Mutombo year.

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10/20/2010  10:45 AM
TD and Felton are able to harrass in the perimeter because they know they have Timo, Turiaf, AR and Amare to protect the basket. This is going to be a fun season.
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10/20/2010  11:51 AM
NYKBocker wrote:TD and Felton are able to harrass in the perimeter because they know they have Timo, Turiaf, AR and Amare to protect the basket. This is going to be a fun season.

It makes such a difference when you have players that LOVE to defend. You can tell that these guys love to do it and with support from others on the team, no one is slacking off. You see a much more consistent effort from the team. That lull in the 3rd qtr. was unfortunate and hopefully they learn not to do that, but overall they can ratchet up the intensity on D when they need to and that is a great development.

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10/20/2010  11:57 AM
Its amazing how are defense instantly got better the moment we started bringing in defensive minded players. Defensive fundamentals are taught in grade school. Great defenders do not need a coach to teach them to play d, or coach them up on d or emphasize d. Toney and frlton will be great defenders no matter who the coach is. Mozgov and turiaf will block shots no matter who the coach is. But try to explain that to the geniuses on this site.....

That being said we did give up 300 points last night so there is room for improvement. Just like last year we can't stop penetration on pick and roles. This is causing weakside defenders to rotate which leaves 3 point shooters wide open

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10/20/2010  12:13 PM
See you man see the ball..to many times we have players doing one or the other..

There s nothing good about a lost, I hate when people said I seen some good things even though we lost. You lost for a reason, so the problem isn't fix. That's like saying the car runs great, but the transmission is fck up

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10/20/2010  12:58 PM
knicks1248 wrote:See you man see the ball..to many times we have players doing one or the other..

There s nothing good about a lost, I hate when people said I seen some good things even though we lost. You lost for a reason, so the problem isn't fix. That's like saying the car runs great, but the transmission is fck up

I think what people are saying is that they see that the players actually understand good defensive tactics and that they see the proper rotations and energy. The reason why we lose is due to a lack of consistent effort. Take last night. The lull in the 3rd was not good, but you saw that the team was able to get back into a better level of concentration and effort on D. So yea we can indeed say that we saw good signs even in a loss. Just as you can see NO SIGNS of good D, like in the past. In this scenario where the team is showing good progress, there is hope that they'll learn to put forth a full 48 minute effort on D and win more games, but in the past there was almost no hope cuz they never showed any signs of being able to stop teams, except for that short stretch of good ball they played. Once we traded Jared that killed any chance we had to be good on D. It was slim to begin with.

Now tho we have a full roster of guys that love to defend and this is why I predicted that the defense would be the biggest area of improvement for this team. As Bip said it's amazing how much better a teams defense looks when you bring in defensive minded players. All the guys Donnie brought in have a rep for being attentive defenders. Collectively that gives this team a much tougher defensive demeanor.

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10/20/2010  2:46 PM
i think thats due to donnie walsh recognising his coaches weakness,and finding players that are defensive to match what his scheme
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10/20/2010  2:53 PM
dacash wrote:i think thats due to donnie walsh recognising his coaches weakness,and finding players that are defensive to match what his scheme

It's not about Mike's weaknesses. It's about having players that will actually do what the coach is asking. Case in point, David Lee, Duhon, Nate, Al etc. How could any coach get those guys to be a solid defensive team when they failed to do what he was asking. We know for a FACT that for years coaches had been trying to get Nate to fight over picks rather than go under and he just failed to consistently do it. How about Lee not giving any help on D? See Mike has been coaching them to do certain things but they failed to be able to do it.

Now we not only have guys that are willing, but able to defend plus Donnie got us more size and length to work with. Donnie added shotblocking which we didn't have before. So before we blame Mike we need to address the makeup of a roster and how much that contributes to what you can expect a team to do defensively. This is without a doubt the best defensive roster Mike has ever had.

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10/20/2010  3:03 PM
dacash wrote:i think thats due to donnie walsh recognising his coaches weakness,and finding players that are defensive to match what his scheme

All coaches have weaknesses so this is an importsnt part of a GMs job. Donnie has done a solid job, even while sleeping

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10/20/2010  3:03 PM
This is the first season in a long time where I am looking forward to seeing the Knicks play solid team defense. But don't tell that to the MDA haters here. It's like Bip said coaches should not be in the business of teaching fundamentals to lazy *** bums, that's what high school programs are for. Now we have players who can execute their defensive assignments so our defense already looks better. Really looking forward (and hoping) to seeing them sustain this throughout the regular season.
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10/20/2010  3:08 PM
You will see Mozgov progress more defensively in 2-3 months then Nate and Lee did in 4 years. Why? Because he wants to.
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10/20/2010  3:50 PM
Bippity10 wrote:You will see Mozgov progress more defensively in 2-3 months then Nate and Lee did in 4 years. Why? Because he wants to.

YUP! Timo WANTS to defend. Turiaf WANTS to defend. TD WANTS to defend. So when the coach says this is the defense we're gonna run they go out and execute and give max effort. We have had so many years of lazy players on this team that we assume that it's only thru the magic of Thibodeau that teams actually play hard on D.
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10/20/2010  6:55 PM
I gotta wait a little longer before I can cosign on Dantoni coaches defense. Last year during the preseason there was talk of how improved the defense was.
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10/20/2010  8:19 PM
JesseDark wrote:I gotta wait a little longer before I can cosign on Dantoni coaches defense. Last year during the preseason there was talk of how improved the defense was.

It's not just TALK! Have you been watching the team even play this preseason? You can clearly see that there's been a much better effort on D. No one is saying this is gonna be a defensive juggernaut. We just want to see some consistent effort on D this year and that should help to get some wins. Here's what we do know. TD and Felton are the 2 best defensive PG's we've had in years. We have multiple bigs that can and do block shots. We've got more athletic defenders that can give help and still recover. It's an improved team on defense, how much we won't know for a while, but it's not like it was last year when the team just let teams score at will.

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10/20/2010  8:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/20/2010  8:32 PM
Have any of you guys seen the commercial for the D'Antoni show where he does play analaysis on both ends of the court on the previous game's video. From what I saw just from the commercial, he has a very good understanding of what he wants and describes how his players are executing his plan. He described their assignments and floor position on slow motion and then did some freeze frames and described the disadvantageous of the player's position (Chandler in the one I saw) on D.

Anyways, I will be watching that show. It will give us fans some really good incite into how the coach is teaching his team his style of basketball.

I think D'Antoni is one of the best in the game, but his stock was hurt by our miserable play the last 2 years.
He finally has the pieces he needs to put out a nice team with actual skills to execute his gameplan.

Who Dat Say D'Antoni Don't Coach Defense?

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