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ItalianStallion
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10/13/2010  11:18 PM
I love this kid's potential, but he's obviously still very raw and not ready to be a major factor on the team. Too many turnovers, bad shooting decisions etc...

I think this bodes very poorly for the season because Randolph is the only elite rebounder on the team. He averaged 11.1 rebounds per 36 minutes for GS in his two seasons. If he's not able to give us 25-35 minutes a night of clean solid basketball without a lot of dumb mistakes, then we are going to get killed on the boards every night.

Tonight Mosgov, Amare, and Turiaf TOGETHER only had 11 rebounds and that follows dismal efforts on the boards in the previous games.

This season goes as Randolph goes.

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10/13/2010  11:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  11:35 PM
NOT!!! Come on now let's not get carried away. I actually think AR could help us a lot if he's able to focus on just a few things. Clearly defense and rebounding, but his looking out of control now is part of the process. We have to let him find his place and he's gonna learn more from making mistakes now so let him get it all out. Then you can show him "see this is why I want you to focus just doing X,Y & Z". You have to let him fall on his face to prove to him that he's not as good as he thinks he is. Then you can get him to focus on the basics.

One day he will be able to put things together, he's just not there yet. He's not gonna look like this all year I promise you. Part of the problem is that 2nd unit has no floor leader either. I think that's why Rautins is gonna eventually get into the rotation as our PG off the bench. TD is a floor leader and Rautins has shown some ability to do that. I think he's gonna get a chance to do more and that will help the 2nd unit to have more continuity and AR to simplify his game and work some PnR and things he can handle at this point.

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10/13/2010  11:43 PM
He has to be put into a position where he can best contribute, and he has to stay under control. If I recall correctly, he mishandled a nice P&R pass later in the game, and also made a poor turnover at some point.

He seems to be pressing, and he is not shooting in rhythm at this point. When he comes in they should run a few plays down low to get him going.

Briggs also hypothesized that he may not be getting the elevation he had prior to last year's injury. We may have to wait to see him at his best.

Too easy to push him around, though. The strength/physical maturity is still not there.

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10/13/2010  11:47 PM
I'm not giving up on him. Quite frankly, I think he's going to be the best all around player on the team in two years. But I was hoping for a slightly more polished product this season. If we want to make the playoffs this year, we are going to need someone to rebound the ball because Amare is not that good a rebounder and so far Mosgov has shown a lot of things, but rebounding is not one of them. If we have to live through a season of a lot of bad shots and turnovers from Randolph, we simply aren't going to make the playoffs. If we bench him and don't get everything he already brings to table, we are going to be even worse off.
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10/14/2010  1:02 AM
I think you're overstating AR's importance. If he isn't Ready for primetime it won't stop this team from competing for the playoffs. There are enough other guys to allow this team to compete for a playoff spot.
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10/14/2010  7:04 AM
Randolph is still young, but this is his third year in the nba. He's a great athlete and does several things very well. But he's made a lot of mistakes in the few pre-season games we've seen. I hope that it's just an adjustment period, but I'm starting to be concerned.
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10/14/2010  10:10 AM
Very early but my opinion of Anthony Randolph has not changed. And I really REALLY want BRIGGS, Allanfan and Fish to be right.
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10/14/2010  10:44 AM
Paladin55 wrote:He has to be put into a position where he can best contribute, and he has to stay under control. If I recall correctly, he mishandled a nice P&R pass later in the game, and also made a poor turnover at some point.

He seems to be pressing, and he is not shooting in rhythm at this point. When he comes in they should run a few plays down low to get him going.

Briggs also hypothesized that he may not be getting the elevation he had prior to last year's injury. We may have to wait to see him at his best.

Too easy to push him around, though. The strength/physical maturity is still not there.

Yes if you look at his old tapes--hes not getting the explosion he had. he had straps on both of his ankles and a knee skirt on last night. I'm still very high on Randolph being an impact player on the 2nd unit and being able to garner extra minutes as the season goes on. I think it might be important to get AR involved right away when he gets into the game instead of him forcing himself into the game. He looks very uncomfortable and I think that move to the basket and subsequent missed dunk tells the tale. Hes not comfortable he does not have all his agility and explosion back (but he will)so he has been forcing some plays that he shouldnt. Still he is noticeably a guy who can impact the game--he seems to be able to get fouled almost at will and when in position to take a good shot delivers. His problems have been trying to hard to impress and at times moving away from team ball. Gallo has been the same as well. Both have to find their way.

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10/14/2010  10:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2010  10:48 AM
iSergio wrote:Very early but my opinion of Anthony Randolph has not changed. And I really REALLY want BRIGGS, Allanfan and Fish to be right.

I see this every season with young guys. Their teams are expecting them to make that next leap and it never happens. There comes a point when you just have to say this is who he is. This is Anthony Randolph's 3rd year in the league. By the way he plays you would swear he was a rookie. He also doesn't seem to excel at anything in particular.

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10/14/2010  11:21 AM
nixluva wrote:I think you're overstating AR's importance. If he isn't Ready for primetime it won't stop this team from competing for the playoffs. There are enough other guys to allow this team to compete for a playoff spot.

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10/14/2010  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2010  11:36 AM
Not sure but as per the announcers last night...Randolph had 1 year of college ball...1 healthy year with crack head Nelson and only played 34 games last season....not exactly a recipe for a finished product. He will learn his role once he actually has one and can relax and settle in and find a rythym....prolly needs to stop watching film of Harrington and cue up the Lamar Odom footage instead...just a suggestion
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10/14/2010  11:49 AM
He just looks uncomfortable out there and his BB IQ has a long way to go. Obviously that takes time. But, I am not liking the way he plays the game. He is way to out of control and he is a little selfish at times and has been taking bad shots. He really needs to improve his body language out there. It looks like the coaching staff has a big task ahead of him keeping his confidence up, because it looks like he is way to hard on himself.

If he doesn't contribute this season we are going to have a very tough time making a run at the playoffs. I would like to see him out there a little more with Gallo and Amare to give him some good spacing. But it's still very early and it's a tough environment to walk into.

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10/14/2010  11:56 AM
If Anthony Randolph is 2-3 yrs from making noise in the NBA then we need to trade him. Amare will be 30 in 2 yrs. I mean dam are we just going to waste an opportunity to compete to wait and hope Randolph develops?
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10/14/2010  12:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:He has to be put into a position where he can best contribute, and he has to stay under control. If I recall correctly, he mishandled a nice P&R pass later in the game, and also made a poor turnover at some point.

He seems to be pressing, and he is not shooting in rhythm at this point. When he comes in they should run a few plays down low to get him going.

Briggs also hypothesized that he may not be getting the elevation he had prior to last year's injury. We may have to wait to see him at his best.

Too easy to push him around, though. The strength/physical maturity is still not there.

Yes if you look at his old tapes--hes not getting the explosion he had. he had straps on both of his ankles and a knee skirt on last night. I'm still very high on Randolph being an impact player on the 2nd unit and being able to garner extra minutes as the season goes on. I think it might be important to get AR involved right away when he gets into the game instead of him forcing himself into the game. He looks very uncomfortable and I think that move to the basket and subsequent missed dunk tells the tale. Hes not comfortable he does not have all his agility and explosion back (but he will)so he has been forcing some plays that he shouldnt. Still he is noticeably a guy who can impact the game--he seems to be able to get fouled almost at will and when in position to take a good shot delivers. His problems have been trying to hard to impress and at times moving away from team ball. Gallo has been the same as well. Both have to find their way.

Briggs- his missed dunk had nothing to do with a failure to get him- it was a timing issue.

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10/14/2010  12:43 PM
nixluva wrote:NOT!!! Come on now let's not get carried away. I actually think AR could help us a lot if he's able to focus on just a few things. Clearly defense and rebounding, but his looking out of control now is part of the process. We have to let him find his place and he's gonna learn more from making mistakes now so let him get it all out. Then you can show him "see this is why I want you to focus just doing X,Y & Z". You have to let him fall on his face to prove to him that he's not as good as he thinks he is. Then you can get him to focus on the basics.

One day he will be able to put things together, he's just not there yet. He's not gonna look like this all year I promise you. Part of the problem is that 2nd unit has no floor leader either. I think that's why Rautins is gonna eventually get into the rotation as our PG off the bench. TD is a floor leader and Rautins has shown some ability to do that. I think he's gonna get a chance to do more and that will help the 2nd unit to have more continuity and AR to simplify his game and work some PnR and things he can handle at this point.

Good post. I agree, AR will be fine once he brings his ego down a bit and focuses on things that he can handle right now. I also think MDA needs to put him in position to succeed. Shooting from outside is not going to build his confidence.

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10/14/2010  1:32 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Very early but my opinion of Anthony Randolph has not changed. And I really REALLY want BRIGGS, Allanfan and Fish to be right.

I see this every season with young guys. Their teams are expecting them to make that next leap and it never happens. There comes a point when you just have to say this is who he is. This is Anthony Randolph's 3rd year in the league. By the way he plays you would swear he was a rookie. He also doesn't seem to excel at anything in particular.

I agree.. people keep saying he's young but so was Durant and Mrs labron wade..
Kg never played that out of control at 21, and he's the best comparison.

A cross over btwn kg and camby..AR won't get it for a while

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10/14/2010  2:20 PM
I think AR just started off the pre-season wanting to try out his jumper since he's been working on it over summer- remember Jared Jeffries used to do this in the pre season before abandoning it when the actual season started. The issue isn't so much rthat AR is young, it's more that he hasn't really played in almost a year due to injury- it's really going to take him a while. He seems like the kind of player who's best when he gets fired up emotionally and thats not really going to happen in a preseason game- I think he'll turn things up a gear and look a bit better come the games that matter.

Also I know soon people will start worrying and writing about Gallo's poor shooting- calm down, exactly the same thing happened last year during pre season, and he was fine was the actual season started- hopefully he and AR will be fine.

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10/14/2010  3:27 PM
The kid esentially lost the game for us...why on earth would you at 6 11 with repectable speed and length, back off a jump shooter who's slow as hell, but deadly from outside...

My 13yr old nephew called that play as soon as pierce got the ball..like cmon man, that's paul pierce all day

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10/14/2010  3:59 PM
AnubisADL wrote:If Anthony Randolph is 2-3 yrs from making noise in the NBA then we need to trade him. Amare will be 30 in 2 yrs. I mean dam are we just going to waste an opportunity to compete to wait and hope Randolph develops?

This doesn't make any sense. So there's no point in grooming a guy that will be ready in 2-3 years?
Successful teams have pipelines of talent.

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10/14/2010  4:03 PM
I'd like to see him make a pass.
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