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BRIGGS
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10/6/2010  6:02 PM
C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

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10/6/2010  6:07 PM
I like the lineup but I don't see much chance if that being the rotation. I think D'Antoni will go with an 8 man rotation when the season starts and I think Mason and Turiaf will be in it so you have to bump out some young guys. That isn't what I want to see happen but I think it will.
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10/6/2010  6:08 PM
Interesting line up but each team line up is different challenge so I don't mind our current starting unit as long as MDA adjust to the players they are playing.
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10/6/2010  6:09 PM
worth a shot.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/6/2010  6:10 PM
rp wrote:Interesting line up but each team line up is different challenge so I don't mind our current starting unit as long as MDA adjust to the players they are playing.
That doesn't happen a lot and usually not until the second half of games.
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10/6/2010  6:10 PM
i don't like that we have so few clear cut starters. its just like last season.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/6/2010  6:15 PM
I think if you are going to play a high paced game with spacing--you need to have the correct personnel who can run the floor and play that way. We can rah rah RT all we want but he is an offensive liability in an offensive based system. If we leave RT out there Amare's game+ the Knicks will suffer from it as Amare is mauled. With fields(who can rebound) adding scoring athletic ability and spacing--I think the group moves and plays better.
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10/6/2010  6:17 PM
BRIGGS wrote:C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

Fields isnt that good man.

Turiaf
Amare
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

The above is our best starting lineup. Mosgov would pick up way to many fouls if he started. Randolph cant be trusted to start.

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10/6/2010  6:20 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

Fields isnt that good man.

Turiaf
Amare
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

The above is our best starting lineup. Mosgov would pick up way to many fouls if he started. Randolph cant be trusted to start.

No--go watch a replay of how they guarded Amare and did not care about Turriaf --basically you are taking away our best plays game and you cant compensate with Turriaf scoring. We need to move the tempo up with no true 5 in there--Turriaf is not a true 5 either--Darko was WAY taller.

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10/6/2010  6:39 PM
I agree RT does not give AR some space but dude we can't start Fields lol.
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10/6/2010  6:49 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

Fields isnt that good man.

Turiaf
Amare
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

The above is our best starting lineup. Mosgov would pick up way to many fouls if he started. Randolph cant be trusted to start.

No--go watch a replay of how they guarded Amare and did not care about Turriaf --basically you are taking away our best plays game and you cant compensate with Turriaf scoring. We need to move the tempo up with no true 5 in there--Turriaf is not a true 5 either--Darko was WAY taller.


I don't think there is any way that Fields starts at this point.
If you don't wnat RT starting, you have to get either Randolph or Mosogv in there.
Going even smaller is not going to protect Amare.
And if you want to go small ball, I still say Randolph over Fields.

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10/6/2010  7:01 PM
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

Fields isnt that good man.

Turiaf
Amare
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

The above is our best starting lineup. Mosgov would pick up way to many fouls if he started. Randolph cant be trusted to start.

No--go watch a replay of how they guarded Amare and did not care about Turriaf --basically you are taking away our best plays game and you cant compensate with Turriaf scoring. We need to move the tempo up with no true 5 in there--Turriaf is not a true 5 either--Darko was WAY taller.


I don't think there is any way that Fields starts at this point.
If you don't wnat RT starting, you have to get either Randolph or Mosogv in there.
Going even smaller is not going to protect Amare.
And if you want to go small ball, I still say Randolph over Fields.

What Im trying to achieve is spacing. Fields doesnt have top play 35 minutes--he helps me spread the floor and move people away from the paint.

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10/6/2010  7:06 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

Fields isnt that good man.

Turiaf
Amare
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

The above is our best starting lineup. Mosgov would pick up way to many fouls if he started. Randolph cant be trusted to start.

No--go watch a replay of how they guarded Amare and did not care about Turriaf --basically you are taking away our best plays game and you cant compensate with Turriaf scoring. We need to move the tempo up with no true 5 in there--Turriaf is not a true 5 either--Darko was WAY taller.


I don't think there is any way that Fields starts at this point.
If you don't wnat RT starting, you have to get either Randolph or Mosogv in there.
Going even smaller is not going to protect Amare.
And if you want to go small ball, I still say Randolph over Fields.

What Im trying to achieve is spacing. Fields doesnt have top play 35 minutes--he helps me spread the floor and move people away from the paint.

Not sure Fields achieves that for you right now. He's not a great shooter.
I'd rather get another body down low to give the other teams's defense another big to worry about.
I just don't see Fields being an impact player just yet.

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10/6/2010  7:27 PM
I'm not into the panic move stuff. Things are gonna be rough early, but will eventually settle down. Turiaf's minutes will be kept short so it doesn't matter that he starts. What we need is for Felton/Amar'e to get it going and for Gallo & Chan to be able to make teams pay for packing in to try and stop Amar'e. This is why Gallo is jacking shots. If he isn't hitting, teams will simply pack in the paint. The offense has to have a credible threat from 3 to work. That's why they're still looking at Rudy. If you can't keep the defense spread, Felton/Amar'e won't have room to work. Felton also has to be more of a threat to score. He's not drawing enough attention, cuz he isn't playing aggressive. Nash is a scoring threat at all times and as such when he's weaving thru the D the team is on edge paying too much attention to him and that's when he can make his passes to wide open guys. Turiaf has to be able to hit his midrange jumpers or else the floor isn't spread enough.

This is why Mike has played smaller lineups. It allows him to put a better offensive guy on the floor and thus the offense works to perfection. He sacrifices a little D for way more offense. This is also why people are hopeful that AR's game comes along, cuz if he beomes more consistent, he's a better option than Turiaf. This year we may not see all of that happen, then again maybe it does. I have faith in AR n Timo getting better as we move along. Still the SG and PG spot is a bit troubling right now.

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10/6/2010  10:17 PM
From what I saw we pulled our Starters early with a 12 point lead.........

Looked like everything was clicking other then Gallo's shot......

We looked very fluid everywhere but especially on D

Players are very tired cause they are in Europe..... 7 hours back
different climates and different environment ... Wears on you so think today was
more like lets get this over with.... looked bored most of the game.

Gallo looked flat.... Amare was step slow..... Felton has not shown anything yet
AR has been chucking from 3 ( Im sure he is trying to hit 3's now cause it's pre-season
Mason looks like he sucks...... Refs have heard this he is foul prone rumor bout Mozgov
and call him for a foul as soon as he steps on court.... THink he still looks good

Wilson looks real good.... I think Walker looks good... Fields and Rat look promising.
Turiaf had good game.... Blocked at least 3 shots for sure boxscore says 2

Most promising and exciting player I seen so far is TD ..... Man he is a hawk on D
frustrates dribbler on the reg.... Shoots very well .... and has been passing more.
0 to's so far as well......

All in all if u saw game you saw Minny want the win!!.... We wanted to come home already.
Milan was the game we wanted to win today was just like practice!!

By the way Gallo haters will be eating alot of their words as season progresses....
He shot like crap sure but that's a worry? Gallo can score anyone with eyes can see that.
His O was off but his D was great today.... (Def had 2 blocks boxscore says 1)
He had a steal but forced like 3 TO's ..... Rebounded well 6 in 20 minutes
Had an assist and threw long outlet to AR that AR dumped off to Walker for slam.

He was tired yet still showed a lot other then offensive tonight..... And rode bench for long stretches
which never helps... Missed lay ups.... Short jumpers.... No legs big deal!!... He will score plenty
this year.....

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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10/6/2010  10:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2010  10:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C- Amare
PF Gallo
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton(and I am not above moving Douglas in here)

2nd unit
C Mosgov
F Randolph
F Walker
G Rautins
G Douglas


Walker and Rautins are dependent on hitting shots for their PT. Randolph has more responsibility on the boards and limited to 1 3 pt shot per game. Felton has to play better with a faster unit and Fields and chandler need to rebound.
Im getting more scoring in there and Im giving Gallo the opportunity to be a real 4--post ups and all with more space all around. Its a smaller unit but its faster with better spacing and more firepower. 2nd unit is bigger with more enegry yet still fast and diverse.

Removing Mason and turriaf and playing a form of speed ball with size off the bench.

Fields isnt that good man.

Turiaf
Amare
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

The above is our best starting lineup. Mosgov would pick up way to many fouls if he started. Randolph cant be trusted to start.

No--go watch a replay of how they guarded Amare and did not care about Turriaf --basically you are taking away our best plays game and you cant compensate with Turriaf scoring. We need to move the tempo up with no true 5 in there--Turriaf is not a true 5 either--Darko was WAY taller.


I don't think there is any way that Fields starts at this point.
If you don't wnat RT starting, you have to get either Randolph or Mosogv in there.
Going even smaller is not going to protect Amare.
And if you want to go small ball, I still say Randolph over Fields.

What Im trying to achieve is spacing. Fields doesnt have top play 35 minutes--he helps me spread the floor and move people away from the paint.

Insert Kelenna Azubuike for Landry Fields in the starting lineup when he is ready and you get that spacing,

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/7/2010  7:38 AM
i am liking fields, but i can't see him starting just yet.

i was most impressed with routins yesterday. he showed some better pg skills than i expected him to have.

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10/7/2010  8:11 AM
we need more rebounding, not less... if our "shooters"--we don't have very many at all--are off, we're going to get crushed on the glass and the opponent will get easy transition baskets. so our "pace" that we'll be pushing can and likely will blow up in our faces
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10/7/2010  8:15 PM
In Phoenix--they did not haev a player like Ronnie Turriaf starting or anything close--they had 5 guys who could get up and down and amare was the 5. I think that if the Knicks want to duplicate what they did--they have to take measures to get more speed and skill. I would put Randolph in there but I feel he is still coming back from injury(my observations looking at tape of him from 2-3 years ago and the fact he has straps on both ankles that run up his legs)Landry fields is about the same size as Shaun marion and while he doesnt have the same explosive jump--should the ability to be a very good re-bounder at Stanford and plays very fast.

I am completely against Turiaf starting--if they are trying to duplicate success they had in Phoeniz--this makes NO sense starting him. We have 7 pre-season games and I suggest we look around a bit at different things suck as inserting Fields in as a 3 and moving Gallo to 4.

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10/7/2010  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/7/2010  9:00 PM
The Answer Man Steps In and UP With More Than Just Random Lineups

Here is a shiftline WITH a rationale for every player that makes perfect sense, that is if you don't have any sense

Don't simply write a list of guys you like, think about how their skill sets fit as one, like pieces of a complicated puzzle


- authentic NYC swagger and the bloodlines of pro experience. He beings 6'4 to the point to see the floor in traffic. What you lose in Felton's speed, you gain in consistency and bonus boards - Rautins

- it may take a minute but it will be worth the wait for his defensive tenacity and outside shot. Another rebounding bonus from the two as he relishes contact - Azubuike

- you thought it would be Gallo huh? Wrong. Anthony Mason's point forward role is taken to the next level to compliment Rautins. Compatibility is essential with dese guys. You let Randolph improvise on offense and thrive as the best help defender since Marcus Camby on defense. Sheesh, who else can defend four positions? - Randolph

- All Star. Period - STAT

- the more he plays, the more he improves. Despite language and cultural adjustments, he will work hard. You want a guy with a non-stop motor? Well, you got it. Don't sweat his mistakes, or the personal fouls - watch how he makes corrections the second time through the league. the MIKITW may prove to be the quickest study of all. Like any of us morons could adjust to working, and adapting, in Russia. Yeah right. - Mozgov

- a sixth man to provide offense when the starters ain't feelin' it - Gallo

- a "glue guy" to make certain the second unit is not throwing the ball all over the lot - Fields

- some tenacity on defense (he has experience covering the toughest matchups in the league), a quiet assassin who can score - The Mayor

- toughness and scrappiness - Felton or Douglas, I don't care which one

- best interviews and disruption in the paint for short shifts - Turiaf

That's ten that don't suck that bad

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