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Bippity10
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10/4/2010  3:26 PM
Ecstatic that this guy is on our team. His talent is immense. It looks like when he gets going he has the ability to take over a game and dominate. But you can tell why he has struggled to get minutes. He is a ball stopper. The ball was zinging around the perimeter, he would catch it and it would stop and he would jab step and try to make a move even though the guy next to him was wide open. At one point in the first half a ball was swung to him, he caught it and tried to dribble through a double team even though the natural swing was wide open. That's maddening for an offensive coach. He's young and has plenty of time to learn but I see this lack of natural understanding on the offensive side of the ball as the main obstacle to stardom
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10/4/2010  3:29 PM
I noticed that too. He has a lot of playground game in him. He needs to understand ball movement. BUT...his skillset is just unbelievable. For a man his size to be able to do what he is doing is just phenomenal.
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10/4/2010  3:35 PM
there is a little too much Al Harrington in his offensive game.

I think the thing to do with him is hammer home that his minutes will come from playing great D, rebounding, passing and pushing the ball. We have a lot of scorers. We dont have a lot of lightning quick 6'11 shot blockers.

I would seriously invoke the old high school rule with him... cant shoot until you have passed twice

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10/4/2010  3:39 PM
He is only 21 and blacktop hoops style clearly still resonates in him. He now has plenty of mentors (Amare, MDA, dare I include "Herb", et al) and I think he is a smart kid. I am nearly certain that he is not the sort of knucklehead as Al Harrington. He will learn and will start to blend into the flow of the offense. And I bet it happens sooner rather than later.
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10/4/2010  3:42 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Ecstatic that this guy is on our team. His talent is immense. It looks like when he gets going he has the ability to take over a game and dominate. But you can tell why he has struggled to get minutes. He is a ball stopper. The ball was zinging around the perimeter, he would catch it and it would stop and he would jab step and try to make a move even though the guy next to him was wide open. At one point in the first half a ball was swung to him, he caught it and tried to dribble through a double team even though the natural swing was wide open. That's maddening for an offensive coach. He's young and has plenty of time to learn but I see this lack of natural understanding on the offensive side of the ball as the main obstacle to stardom

Yeah the kid IMO was having a youth moment. I think he'll eventually learn from the others that he can't do things like that. It's about the group self managing young guys like him. With real leaders here they'll step up and say something to him and get him to understand how to make the right decisions. I have high hopes for this team down the line.

AR is so talented that he's got to be a bit selfish in order to get going, but he can't break the flow of the offense and take bad shots. He'll calm down and realize that he doesn't have to force it. Let the game come to him 1st and then he can start to exert some dominance. Just give it time.

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10/4/2010  3:51 PM
I just want Anthony Randolph to rebound and protect the rim and play within the team on offense. I don't want him taking long jumpers, pull-up jumpers or dribble the length of the court pretending to be Magic Johnson.
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10/4/2010  3:59 PM
Anyone notice MikeD was giving him an ear-full the whole game even though he played relatively well?

I think that's an encouraging sign actually. Mike seems energized to make this team into a contender instead of just surviving the season.

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10/4/2010  4:00 PM
iSergio wrote:I just want Anthony Randolph to rebound and protect the rim and play within the team on offense. I don't want him taking long jumpers, pull-up jumpers or dribble the length of the court pretending to be Magic Johnson.

Finally, something I can agree with Serg about.

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10/4/2010  4:08 PM
iSergio wrote:I just want Anthony Randolph to rebound and protect the rim and play within the team on offense. I don't want him taking long jumpers, pull-up jumpers or dribble the length of the court pretending to be Magic Johnson.

No no no. Don't want to discourage anyone from taking a GOOD jumper and why shouldn't he be able to pick and choose moving the ball up court--go look at some previous highlights at LSU and GS. You want to slowly enhance that skill--not thwart it. Play hard and smart but don't remove skills from the game. Do I want AR to sit out 20 feet from the basket and shoot J's--no. If he takes 2-3 good J's along with 7-10 close opportunities will he be successful--yes. Should he be able to push the ball off a rebound--that is basketball--I hope gallo or anyone who has the ability to push the ball off the rebound does it.

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10/4/2010  4:16 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Ecstatic that this guy is on our team. His talent is immense. It looks like when he gets going he has the ability to take over a game and dominate. But you can tell why he has struggled to get minutes. He is a ball stopper. The ball was zinging around the perimeter, he would catch it and it would stop and he would jab step and try to make a move even though the guy next to him was wide open. At one point in the first half a ball was swung to him, he caught it and tried to dribble through a double team even though the natural swing was wide open. That's maddening for an offensive coach. He's young and has plenty of time to learn but I see this lack of natural understanding on the offensive side of the ball as the main obstacle to stardom

Exactly, he has the same shoot first ask questions later mindset that was dear Al' least endearing trait. But I also think this is too small a sample size and hopefully he will learn to make better decisions with the ball in hand.

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10/4/2010  5:08 PM
At the very least he's a help defender and a shot blocker, which is more than Al ever was. I'm not a fan of knuckleheads, let's hope he improves.
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10/4/2010  6:59 PM
To me, AR doesn't resemble Al Harrington at all. AR moves without the ball, chooses a mid range shot to a layup over a long range jump shot and is always aggresive, plus he plays defense and blocks shots. Not really the same with Al.

Yes, AR needs to improve his passing and needs to stop trying to be the PG. I agree with that. And there's ALWAYS room for improvement on defense with everybody. However, he's a finisher before a passer, and that's what his game SHOULD be.

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10/4/2010  7:35 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:To me, AR doesn't resemble Al Harrington at all. AR moves without the ball, chooses a mid range shot to a layup over a long range jump shot and is always aggresive, plus he plays defense and blocks shots. Not really the same with Al.

Yes, AR needs to improve his passing and needs to stop trying to be the PG. I agree with that. And there's ALWAYS room for improvement on defense with everybody. However, he's a finisher before a passer, and that's what his game SHOULD be.

You do know Harrington used to play defense right?

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10/4/2010  7:39 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
iSergio wrote:I just want Anthony Randolph to rebound and protect the rim and play within the team on offense. I don't want him taking long jumpers, pull-up jumpers or dribble the length of the court pretending to be Magic Johnson.

No no no. Don't want to discourage anyone from taking a GOOD jumper and why shouldn't he be able to pick and choose moving the ball up court--go look at some previous highlights at LSU and GS. You want to slowly enhance that skill--not thwart it. Play hard and smart but don't remove skills from the game. Do I want AR to sit out 20 feet from the basket and shoot J's--no. If he takes 2-3 good J's along with 7-10 close opportunities will he be successful--yes. Should he be able to push the ball off a rebound--that is basketball--I hope gallo or anyone who has the ability to push the ball off the rebound does it.

I have to agree with iSergio here. Randolph has some bad habits that need to be nipped in the bud. Randolph's decision making isnt that good at the moment which is why he needs simple clear instructions so he can think less and react more.

I dont have a problem with him holding the ball for a few secs if he thinks he can get to the rim or score over the defender. I have a problem when someone else is open and he forces the shot.

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10/4/2010  7:45 PM
He is Amare-lite. A curious luxury to have on a team with Amare already.

I know we will see plenty of the Amare-AR frontcourt but the only way it works is if one of them dedicated themselves to doing the dirty work.

AR is more focused on his offense than his defense. Sure he will block shots with his help D but i dpn't think he will focus on his poor man D -- and not calling out picks is just plain dumb and will get you benched.

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10/4/2010  7:48 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:Ecstatic that this guy is on our team. His talent is immense. It looks like when he gets going he has the ability to take over a game and dominate. But you can tell why he has struggled to get minutes. He is a ball stopper. The ball was zinging around the perimeter, he would catch it and it would stop and he would jab step and try to make a move even though the guy next to him was wide open. At one point in the first half a ball was swung to him, he caught it and tried to dribble through a double team even though the natural swing was wide open. That's maddening for an offensive coach. He's young and has plenty of time to learn but I see this lack of natural understanding on the offensive side of the ball as the main obstacle to stardom

Exactly, he has the same shoot first ask questions later mindset that was dear Al' least endearing trait. But I also think this is too small a sample size and hopefully he will learn to make better decisions with the ball in hand.


Yeah, but at least he's not throwing up garbage threes. Al used to drive me crazy with that. Ar will learn. The key for him will be gaining confidence with the mid range J. Once he has that, he'll be able to slow down and open up space for easier, uncontested drives to the hoops.
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10/4/2010  8:08 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Ecstatic that this guy is on our team. His talent is immense. It looks like when he gets going he has the ability to take over a game and dominate. But you can tell why he has struggled to get minutes. He is a ball stopper. The ball was zinging around the perimeter, he would catch it and it would stop and he would jab step and try to make a move even though the guy next to him was wide open. At one point in the first half a ball was swung to him, he caught it and tried to dribble through a double team even though the natural swing was wide open. That's maddening for an offensive coach. He's young and has plenty of time to learn but I see this lack of natural understanding on the offensive side of the ball as the main obstacle to stardom

A fair analysis.

You figure that Randoph, given his athletic ability, was allowed to do anything he wanted in HS and amateur ball, and probably had a lot of freedom on a poor LSU team. I just wish that he had picked up some better habits on GS, but I'm not surprised that he didn't

I've always felt that Beasley had the same problem on offense in terms of slowing down the flow of the game when his team has the ball, although he is a more polished offensive player.

MDA and teammates just have to encourage him and help his evolution as a player.

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10/4/2010  8:20 PM
recall MDA saying he doesnt want to limit AR at this point, he wants to see all that he can do. I believe as the season goes on he will find a way to maximize some of AR's skills.

The garnett comparisons are quite lofty but makes for great day dream....

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10/4/2010  8:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/4/2010  8:55 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Ecstatic that this guy is on our team. His talent is immense. It looks like when he gets going he has the ability to take over a game and dominate. But you can tell why he has struggled to get minutes. He is a ball stopper. The ball was zinging around the perimeter, he would catch it and it would stop and he would jab step and try to make a move even though the guy next to him was wide open. At one point in the first half a ball was swung to him, he caught it and tried to dribble through a double team even though the natural swing was wide open. That's maddening for an offensive coach. He's young and has plenty of time to learn but I see this lack of natural understanding on the offensive sid.e of the ball as the main obstacle to stardom

He may not be al or JC...but he is a one on one player that tends to think he's playing for And 1 MIX TAPE...CMON you think don nelly is going to banish talent like that for no reason..he's 21 so let's hope he grows out of that..al an jc never did..

Was it me or was amare dribbling way too much..at times I thought he was AR

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10/4/2010  9:07 PM
Wasn't a fan at all of how he played offensively yesterday but I'm with BRIGGS in that you don't want to curtail his development by limiting him on the offensive end.

He just needs to get better with shot selection and that should hopefully come with time (and patience on our end). He's only 21 years old so we can't expect him to be an all-star right away. Hell, if he was already polished, we wouldn't have him right now.

I think someone like Amare will be great for AR.

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