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BRIGGS
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10/3/2010  6:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/3/2010  6:28 PM
We really could use Earl Barron. Im not sold on Ronnie Turriaf in anyway shape or form. He has never been a good rebounder --he cant shoot and I think what he does give--we can get much better from elsewhere. We need another guy who can rebound and play be able to hit the mid range and play BIG. Id rather start Mosgov and bring Barron off the bench of vice versa. I dont see Turriaf at all.

wait dont let me forget Rautins--between rautins PJ and willaims--we need another big and one cna stay--we don't need empty roster spots. we need a big

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10/3/2010  7:18 PM
Jesus no one else concerned with starting 5 position. Ive maintained it from the time we traded for him--this guy isn't the answer and he starts:( We need production--Id rather go with Mosgov Barron and maybe we can find a third 7 footer in a trade. All of the good Chicago and LA teams had 3 7 footers.
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10/3/2010  7:47 PM
Yo, we get it u hate Turiaf! Now let him play and then we can form our opinion on it. One preseason is not enough time to evaluate him.
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10/3/2010  7:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/3/2010  9:35 PM
loweyecue wrote:Yo, we get it u hate Turiaf! Now let him play and then we can form our opinion on it. One preseason is not enough time to evaluate him.

Yes I think we need to hedge for another big against what we have at the back of our roster. Too many SF--Mosgov is the only real 7 footer we have--we need another one. Im very concerned about the rebounding--I wrote a post on it like 3months ago. We need more.

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10/3/2010  11:20 PM
I agree that the Knicks need another big body and I think that Baron would be a great fit. I wouldn't discount Turiaf after one game. I remember reading Nelson's comments after the trade and the guy he said that he would miss Turiaf was the guy that he would miss the most. Turiaf is a high character, locker room leader type and D'Antoni needs those guys. The only fear is that Turiaf becomes the center version of Duhon for this coach.
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10/3/2010  11:49 PM
We are not getting Gasol anytime soon.
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10/3/2010  11:54 PM
loweyecue wrote:We are not getting Gasol anytime soon.

Marc, not Pau.

Knicks are in Europe. Let Briggy have his Euro continental thoughts.

Actually, Marc is going to be better than Pau! He is restricted so you gotta blow Memphis out of the water.
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10/4/2010  1:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I agree that the Knicks need another big body and I think that Baron would be a great fit. I wouldn't discount Turiaf after one game. I remember reading Nelson's comments after the trade and the guy he said that he would miss Turiaf was the guy that he would miss the most. Turiaf is a high character, locker room leader type and D'Antoni needs those guys. The only fear is that Turiaf becomes the center version of Duhon for this coach.

Not discounting Turriaf--just don't know if he fits the style of play here and he's not really a starting 5 caliber talent in the NBA. I like what we have longer term with the 5--Im sure Mosgov will be a quality guy + we will have Jordan with more experience but I always look at great teams and I think it starts with what you have across the front. We have a lot here---I think a Marc Gasol and one more year of experience for WC AR and DG & we are one helluva team. Wed have to get rid of Turriafs 4mm+ and i think that would give us 18mm+ to resign WC and get Gasol. If we get Melo--we lose all of that space and some of the really good players here. Its a destructive path imho. I like the team

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10/4/2010  8:57 AM
What tariaf does you don't see on a stat sheet, he is a dirty work player, Great lockeroom guy, shot blocker who disrupts offense'.

Our starting 5 will have to rebound by commitie, chandler, gallo, amare, felton, tarriaf, can get you 25 to 30 rebounds a game...off the bench you have tim, AR, AZ, TD, bill, and fields, while none of these players are David lee/oakly, all can get you 5 boards pg with the exception of the point guards.

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10/4/2010  9:03 AM
Barron brought nothing on the defensive side of the ball. He did great rebounding in the limited appearance we saw. But having him on the defensive side was a liability as he is not a shot blocker. Beside I think Turriaf is a perfect backup to a starting center.
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10/4/2010  9:09 AM
Ronny Turiaf is our best post-defender and shotblocker. He needs to play. Not every player needs to be a scorer or a shooter. I do expect Timofey Mozgov to start eventually but Turiaf should play too.
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10/4/2010  11:17 AM
Vmart wrote:Barron brought nothing on the defensive side of the ball. He did great rebounding in the limited appearance we saw. But having him on the defensive side was a liability as he is not a shot blocker. Beside I think Turriaf is a perfect backup to a starting center.

I think we need another 7 foot player who can rebound. Barron was here last year and is available. Would I rather have Rautins PEJR S Williams or Baron? No contest--Ill take Barron--he can give us minutes at a position of need.

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10/4/2010  11:36 AM
Why has barron not been able to get into a camp yet?

Is it Money? Does he want Moz type money. I know the Moz signing looked silly at first, especially when its the Knicks doing it, but we don't know what Barron really wants.

And if he wants long term security that eats cap space we want then its not a good fit.

Moz has only one year guaranteed. Two year are knick options to pick up.

Rony is not starter material. Moz is unproven. AR at center I don't see happening. He has height. WE don't have a Starter quality center yet.

Rony looks lighter (quicker) than his laker days.
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10/4/2010  12:10 PM
ha, the guy pulled a bych move on Donnie so.....he can eatadyk
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/4/2010  12:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:Barron brought nothing on the defensive side of the ball. He did great rebounding in the limited appearance we saw. But having him on the defensive side was a liability as he is not a shot blocker. Beside I think Turriaf is a perfect backup to a starting center.

I think we need another 7 foot player who can rebound. Barron was here last year and is available. Would I rather have Rautins PEJR S Williams or Baron? No contest--Ill take Barron--he can give us minutes at a position of need.

If I remember correctly, he also can shoot the 3?
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10/4/2010  12:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/4/2010  12:38 PM
Moonangie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:Barron brought nothing on the defensive side of the ball. He did great rebounding in the limited appearance we saw. But having him on the defensive side was a liability as he is not a shot blocker. Beside I think Turriaf is a perfect backup to a starting center.

I think we need another 7 foot player who can rebound. Barron was here last year and is available. Would I rather have Rautins PEJR S Williams or Baron? No contest--Ill take Barron--he can give us minutes at a position of need.

If I remember correctly, he also can shoot the 3?

He can rebound and hit the mid range jumpshot--we need another guy who can rebound--there is no doubt about it. One game means nothing but it can show you the first sign of flaw--we had posts about this after free agency--we dont have enough rebounding. We need better use of the end of the bench--dont need all of the SFs

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10/4/2010  2:38 PM
we need another guy to be an enforcer in the paint blocking shots and playing good defense. We don't need a poor mans David lee.

Sure he can hit the midrange and pull down a few rebounds but his defense wasn't anygood.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/4/2010  5:49 PM
Nalod wrote:
loweyecue wrote:We are not getting Gasol anytime soon.

Marc, not Pau.

Knicks are in Europe. Let Briggy have his Euro continental thoughts.

Actually, Marc is going to be better than Pau! He is restricted so you gotta blow Memphis out of the water.

Yep it's the RFA I am worried about. I do like him though.

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10/4/2010  5:52 PM
knicks1248 wrote:What tariaf does you don't see on a stat sheet, he is a dirty work player, Great lockeroom guy, shot blocker who disrupts offense'.

Our starting 5 will have to rebound by commitie, chandler, gallo, amare, felton, tarriaf, can get you 25 to 30 rebounds a game...off the bench you have tim, AR, AZ, TD, bill, and fields, while none of these players are David lee/oakly, all can get you 5 boards pg with the exception of the point guards.

agree with this, actually I have always been a little biased about Turiaf simply because of his attitude. Now Briggy will bow that out the water, but I don't think good attitude is easy to get or so unimpressive a quality.

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10/5/2010  5:11 AM
so now you think Barron deserves a roster spot over Turiaf... a couple weeks ago you were complaining that Mozgov was taking up Earl Barron's roster spot... when Turiaf is winning fan support for his energy & hustle this season, are you going to say we need to extend him to a 3 year $9M contract?

the one guy i will agree w/u with who doesn't deserve a roster spot is Rautins... we have too many perimeter players & could use more size upfront

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