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LeBron James says race was a factor in backlash to 'The Decision'
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mattshaw78
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10/2/2010  6:41 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/LeBron-James-says-race-was-a-factor-in-backlash-?urn=nba-273678

This is a sticky subject, so let's just get right in to it — LeBron James(notes) is convinced that race is a factor in the criticism surrounding his signing with the Miami Heat and his television special, "The Decision." Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports there is some data that seems to support LeBron's claim:

A recent release of Q Scores, a polling system that measures popularity, appeared to support the notion.

Among non-blacks, James' negative Q rating went from 24 percent to 44 after his free-agency announcement. However, among blacks, his negative Q Score slipped just from 14 percent to 15 percent. [...]

Also interviewed by CNN during the segment that aired Wednesday night was James advisor Maverick Carter, the CEO of James' marketing wing, who agreed about the impact of the race factor.

"It definitely played a role in some of the stuff coming out of the media, things that were written for sure," Carter said.

Now, as one of the pastiest fellows to ever walk the Earth, I'm not really in position to say whether or not race was a factor in why people didn't like the way LeBron James left the Cleveland Cavaliers. From a personal standpoint, I can assure you that I would have thought it was very poorly handled and ridiculous no matter what color LeBron was. Arrogance comes in many shades.

[Photos: LeBron James with his new team]

However, what I do know is that LeBron saying that he thinks race is a factor will make his actions seem even worse to people who do think it was a factor. That is stupid on so, so many levels, but sadly, it's true. People who consider race when deciding how they feel about someone are more than happy to use these sort of statements against a person. Because they are stupid.

Anyway, maybe race was a factor. The Q Scores certainly seem to support that theory. Then again, his negative rating did slip among black respondents — just not as much — and he was criticized by people such as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley, all of whom are black. Clearly, his moves weren't a big hit no matter the person's race.

[Video: LeBron at Heat media day]

Again, as a white guy, there's no way I can know how LeBron is feeling, but I just have a hard time believing people would have been OK with what LeBron did this summer if he weren't black. And really, that's how it should be. People should hate "The Decision" because it was stupid, not because of LeBron James' race.

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10/2/2010  7:23 AM
LeDouche went from an arsehole to stupid.
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10/2/2010  7:56 AM
NYK - your comment only serves to make Lebron James point of view worthy of adult conversation.

Announcement theatrics aside, when John Elway refused to sign with the Colts what was the backlash?

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10/2/2010  8:24 AM
From Wikipedia:

In the 1983 NFL Draft, Elway was selected as the first overall pick by the Baltimore Colts. Elway had, by then, played two summers of minor league baseball for the New York Yankees organization. Additionally, Elway had publicly stated that he refused to join the Colts organization, feeling the team could not allow him to be successful. If they did not trade him he said he was going to play baseball. Eventually, Colts owner Robert Irsay gave in. The Colts traded him to the Denver Broncos for QB Mark Herrmann, rights to OL Chris Hinton and a first-round pick (OG Ron Solt) in the 1984 NFL Draft on May 2, 1983. John Elway is one of three quarterbacks in the history of the NFL Draft (started in 1936) to be drafted #1 and go on to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The other two are Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman.[4]

Some things that are different:

Elway was not born in Maryland (he was born in Washington State)
Elway had at that point never played for any professional football team
Elway did not switch from one team to another
Elway was threatening to play another sport entirely, vs. Lebron staying in the same sport but leaving for a different team

But the biggest factor to me is the hometown factor. I think Lebron will always be pinned as someone who left his hometown team for the easy way out. While Elway didn't sign with the team that drafted him for similar reasons (he thought the Colts sucked) he didn't owe the Colts any special allegiance.

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10/2/2010  8:59 AM
misterearl wrote:NYK - your comment only serves to make Lebron James point of view worthy of adult conversation.

Announcement theatrics aside, when John Elway refused to sign with the Colts what was the backlash?

So you think race was a factor?

The backlash was because of how it was handled. There was no Chris Bosh backlash or maybe Canadians aren't racist?

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10/2/2010  9:28 AM
There was no Kevin Garnett backlash when he got out of Minnesota.
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10/2/2010  9:32 AM
misterearl wrote:NYK - your comment only serves to make Lebron James point of view worthy of adult conversation.

Announcement theatrics aside, when John Elway refused to sign with the Colts what was the backlash?

Everything is not race related. If anything, some minority leaders get away with statements, comments and accusations because they are members of minority groups. Do you really see the Elway situation as similar? He was a college player, professional athlete but certainly not the face of the sport when he made his demand as was the situation with Eli Manning.

The team he left was built arounds him in (or near) his home town. He was the face of the franchise and the league not a faceless kid first eligible to play pro ball.

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10/2/2010  9:50 AM
There was backlash for several reasons:
1) Calling a press conference for an hour on your home trams turf in order to tell them you are taking your talents to south beach is a scumbag move - even if it raised money for kids.
2) When you call yourself the king, have commercials comparing yourself to Kobe, and you wear #23 - it looks funny when you sign on to someone elses team. Jordan didn't do it and neither did Kobe. This offense is more forgivable because he wants to win and Cleveland sucks (the city not the team).

I don't think race is the issue. Plenty of sports players have gotten backlash - ARod and the Red Sox, Eli Manning forcing not to be drafted by the Chargers etc.

Lebron is one of the highest profile athletes and people thought differently of him. He totally mishandled the move to Miami - even his word choice "taking my talents to South Beach" not "I have decided to play for the Miami heat next season" - it just came off as arrogant, insensitive, and immature.

I could go on but you get the point. It's not about his race and he brought this on himself.

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10/2/2010  9:58 AM
misterearl wrote:NYK - your comment only serves to make Lebron James point of view worthy of adult conversation.

Announcement theatrics aside, when John Elway refused to sign with the Colts what was the backlash?

The backlash is about how he did it, not about him doing it.

Eli forced the Chargers to trade him to the Giants. People thought he was a baby for doing that and the only thing that puts that in the rear view is the fact that Rivers is at least his equal. The other thing that helps Eli is that he didn't flirt with the rest of the league, he just said, trade me to the giants. He also didn't have a parade down the canyon of heroes the day after the trade went through.

LeBron has so many enemies because he knew he was going to Miami for a long time and yet he had people putting false rumors out there for at least a year. Wearing Yankee gear all the time... come on. The Knicks, Nets, Clippers, Bulls... they are all going to hate that trio for all time and the rest of the league will just be annoyed for a while at their self aggrandizing.

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10/2/2010  10:19 AM
This doesn't look a lot like rocket science here. LeBron is black and whites have different perceptions of what and how a superstar should behave than do blacks. Guess what his Q rating was likely different in China too. And among American Indians. Some reflection of white fears about gangs perhaps?

UM is one of the most widely supported college football teams among the black community. Expect parallels among fans with the Heat The "necklace" incident's impact is also not reflected and didn't help.

Me personally I don't hate the man. the 'Decision' was a poor choice. I mean the broadcasting of the event. The NBA and ESPN seemed to borrow a page from the WWF on that one. I get he wants to play for rings. With 3 of the best in the game on one roster there is no underdog to root for there and most of white America will not root for this team for this alone. We have here 2 of the top 3 black superstars are playing together those who rooted for them before are likely ecstatic now.

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10/2/2010  11:17 AM
LeBron James is really helping his image with moronic statements like this.
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10/2/2010  11:48 AM
I think the main reason for the depth of the Lebron backlash, is simply because he and his management team p***ed off the media. Most commentators were left looking like the uninformed, lying morons they are, but rather than own up and admit they did some poor work and got carried away with unconfirmed gossip, they decided to divert the blame and focus their negativity on Lebron, and so helped to stir up the hatred and destroy his reputation. I think the non-black media has been the most critical, which in turn impacts it's non-black readers/viewers, where as the non-white media has been a lot less rabid on the subject.

A lot of people will dismiss race playing a part, but a lot of the time it does subconciously have an impact in peoples attitudes in a lot of cases, even in the most ridiculous ways. However in this case- it was the way he announced it, and then the media stoked the fire (where as up until now they'd always defended him or wrote pieces worshipping him).

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10/2/2010  12:03 PM
If stupidity, arrogance, narcissism, and ego define new race among American athletes, this is definitely the race issue.
Also... what is white and black press and media??? Never heard about this...
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10/2/2010  12:19 PM
Ira wrote:There was no Kevin Garnett backlash when he got out of Minnesota.

Kevin Garnett's black? damn, what a traitor!

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10/2/2010  12:52 PM
misterearl wrote:NYK - your comment only serves to make Lebron James point of view worthy of adult conversation.

Announcement theatrics aside, when John Elway refused to sign with the Colts what was the backlash?

I think you can't take away the "Announcement Theatrics". That is the reason why he has a lot of backlash. Not because of the color of his skin. Kobe Bryant is a player that refused to sign with Charlotte and his agent also indicated that Kobe signing with Charlotte is an impossibility and only wanted to play for the Lakers. Did he get any backlash? Nope.

LeDouche's shenanigans at the end did him in. He could have been as white as Larry Bird if he did the same thing he would be treated the same.

I am a non-white and non-black fan. I could not care less what his race was. His handling of the matters was just an utter disgrace. If he was asian, I would feel the same way.

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10/2/2010  1:20 PM
Starting to feel lucky that we didn't land the "King", since he continually proves himself to be a douche-bag. He blew the legacy thing, so I am ready to give that shot to Melo, at the right cost.

*Bleep* Lebron. I don't think the same of Bosh and Wade. One was trying to add to his team by recruiting stars...which is exactly what he should have done. The other is clearly looking for the easier route to a chip.

Lebron? Shoulda done the legacy thing, but he chumped out and now has to make excuses.

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10/2/2010  1:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2010  1:27 PM
The backlash wasn't as big as it was because Lebron was black.

It was as big as it was because Lebron is kind of ugly and fiercely unattractive.

That's it.

The masses are much quicker to turn on the ugly-looking (Bosh, Lebron, Ewing) than the good-looking (Jordan, Kobe, Wade, J-Will).
Race has nothing to do with it.

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10/2/2010  1:54 PM
Lebron simply responded to a question:

O'BRIEN: "Do you think there's a role that race plays in this?"

JAMES: "I think so, at times. It's always, you know, a race factor."

Thats all Lebron said. Once agian, people are making a bigger deal out what Lebron does/says. This backlash he's getting is nonsense and it does make you wonder. Where is the crime he committed? He didn't rape anyone, kill anyone, get arrested, etc. Yet, he is hated to the level where you think he did. Enough is enough already!

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10/2/2010  1:54 PM
OjilEye wrote:The backlash wasn't as big as it was because Lebron was black.

It was as big as it was because Lebron is kind of ugly and fiercely unattractive.

That's it.

The masses are much quicker to turn on the ugly-looking (Bosh, Lebron, Ewing) than the good-looking (Jordan, Kobe, Wade, J-Will).
Race has nothing to do with it.

Hope you are joking.....

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10/2/2010  1:56 PM
izybx wrote:LeBron James is really helping his image with moronic statements like this.

What was moronic about his exact statement?

LeBron James says race was a factor in backlash to 'The Decision'

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