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9/30/2010  8:56 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=5630564

Mozgov turning heads at Knicks camp

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By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- On the final day of training camp Wednesday, one of the newest Knicks knocked down a 17-footer from the corner, finished a post move with a soft left-handed touch shot, threw a behind-the-back pass off the dribble to an open teammate on the perimeter, then dove onto the floor to save a ball from going out of bounds.

This all happened in the space of about 10 minutes, a combination of skill, hustle and agility rarely seen over the past, lost decade that has defined the New York Knicks as one of the NBA's perennial losers.

The player making the plays?

No, it was not Amare Stoudemire, the new alpha dog on an almost totally revamped roster.

Nor was it Raymond Felton, the new co-captain and floor general.

They were the moves of 7-foot-1 rookie Russian center Timofey Mozgov, who coach Mike D'Antoni has singled out as the biggest surprise of training camp.

"Just because we didn't know anything about Timofey, he's showing that what we saw on tape, and what we saw when we worked him out, was good," D'Antoni said. "He's an athlete, and he's getting better every day. His instincts on defense are real good, his offensive instincts are good, he knows how to set people up, and he keeps getting better with his shot, getting more confidence."

Of the 16 players in training camp, only five were with the Knicks at the conclusion of last season. And one of those five, Eddy Curry, has spent the past several days watching practice sitting on a table in the corner of the gym after reporting to camp out of shape and straining his right hamstring in one of the first scrimmages.

Curry did not accompany the Knicks as they left Wednesday afternoon for Milan, Italy, where they will play Armani Jeans Milano on Sunday in their first preseason game before traveling to Paris for an exhibition against the Minnesota Timberwolves next Wednesday.

So instead of keeping track of how much pasta and how many baguettes Curry can fit inside his oversized frame, the Knicks will be watching to see how their new international man of mystery can adapt to the NBA game.

"I played against [Mozgov] already in the European Championship," said center Ronny Turiaf, one of the 11 new faces. "And I had high expectations for him before he came here. So you guys didn't know what you were getting. But I knew what the Knicks were getting when they got him."

Mozgov figures to start the season coming off the bench behind Turiaf, and he may have to compete for minutes with Anthony Randolph at the center position if D'Antoni sticks with past practice and goes with a short rotation.

But D'Antoni has indicated he is going to change up his game somewhat, at least in the early part of the season, to see which mixes and matches of players work best together.

He has already said Randolph will defend everyone from Rajon Rondo to Dwight Howard, but it is likely that the 21-year-old acquired in the David Lee trade will be coming off the bench and seeing his minutes fluctuate from night to night, depending on the opponent and the different matchup difficulties other teams present.

D'Antoni said he has not yet settled on a starting lineup, with the shooting guard spot the biggest question mark.

The coach did allow that Wilson Chandler will probably get the nod Sunday in Milan, but Roger Mason will have a chance to compete for the job -- as will Kelenna Azubuike when he returns from rehabbing his surgically repaired left knee sometime in November. Also, backup point guard Toney Douglas will be teamed alongside Felton at times.

Stoudemire will be the starting power forward, Felton will run the point, and Danilo Gallinari will be the starting small forward for the Knicks, who have stated that their goal for this season is to make the playoffs for the first time since 2004. (They haven't won a postseason game since 2000.)

This year's team is not only taller and longer than Knicks teams of recent years, it is constructed of what the franchise hopes will be building blocks toward a rosier future after having sacrificed the past two seasons to gain control of their salary cap situation.

And though the Knicks have been active in trade talks with the Denver Nuggets in an effort to acquire Carmelo Anthony, they would be perfectly satisfied to see Anthony spend another season in Denver and then become an unrestricted free agent. With Curry and his $11.7 million salary coming off the cap, the Knicks will have the flexibility to make a max offer to Anthony next July -- provided the league isn't shut down by a lockout.

For now, D'Antoni said, the focus during the preseason will be "to keep coming together, keep improving. It's more of us discovering who we have and what they can do and try to utilize their talents and put them in a position to succeed."

For Mozgov, who was discovered by the Knicks' director of international scouting, Kevin Wilson, that'll mean preparing him for the inevitability that he will be a foul magnet on his first tour through the league, and teaching him that the respect he has already earned from his teammates will be difficult to come by in a league that treats rookies, especially foreign rookies, harshly when they first arrive.

For Felton, it'll mean making him more of a passer in the mold of Steve Nash, now that he has a player in Stoudemire who can play above the rim, going 12 or 13 feet high to receive passes.

For Gallinari, it'll mean getting him to find a balance between being a 3-point shooter as well as a player who can post up the smaller defenders he'll face on a regular basis.

For the rest, it'll mean pushing those players to make themselves worthy of sticking around long-term as this new beginning unfolds.

"The desire to be the best has come through. I didn't have to do any of that, it started from Amare and Raymond and it kept going right on. And now it's just plugging in the pieces and making sure they get better offensively and defensively, and we'll do that. But it starts with them. They want it, and that's what they've demonstrated, and it makes me sleep a lot better at night." D'Antoni said. "They have a purpose: Their purpose is to make the playoffs and make New York buzz. That's what they want to do."

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9/30/2010  9:00 AM
boy... where there is smoke there is fire. I cant wait to see this guy that everyone is gushing over, and most around here didnt even count on him playing much. Looks like he's a lock for the rotation.
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9/30/2010  9:07 AM
My only concern is that we need him for defense and rebounding while his strengths are on the offensive end.
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9/30/2010  9:11 AM
fishmike wrote:boy... where there is smoke there is fire. I cant wait to see this guy that everyone is gushing over, and most around here didnt even count on him playing much. Looks like he's a lock for the rotation.

seriously dude. monday at 12 is the game against milan.. can't wait to check out this new roster.

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9/30/2010  9:14 AM
metra wrote:My only concern is that we need him for defense and rebounding while his strengths are on the offensive end.

na... looks more and more like we are getting both from him. Did you see the WC games? Mosgov thrived with contact. He was always looking to get a body on guys and be physical. The fact that he's got some real offensive skills tells me Turiaf's minutes are going to be dwindling before they appear.

For once Sheridan makes a good point... he's going to be a foul magnet. Luckily we have depth at that position for him to work through that

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9/30/2010  9:51 AM
fishmike wrote:
metra wrote:My only concern is that we need him for defense and rebounding while his strengths are on the offensive end.

na... looks more and more like we are getting both from him. Did you see the WC games? Mosgov thrived with contact. He was always looking to get a body on guys and be physical. The fact that he's got some real offensive skills tells me Turiaf's minutes are going to be dwindling before they appear.

For once Sheridan makes a good point... he's going to be a foul magnet. Luckily we have depth at that position for him to work through that

He is going to be a foul magnet both ways. He will be fouled a lot due to his sheer size.

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9/30/2010  10:03 AM
will the jumbotron in msg flash images of ivan drago when timo goes to the line?
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9/30/2010  10:07 AM
I always feel you should play the guy who earned the job. Just becasue Mosgov is a rookie--that means nothing. The guy is the only true legit 5 man at 7-1 270 and I would prefer to go with him if he is really playing well--I would always want to play a big man like that--we could use another one. Randolph can get his minutes as 6th man kind of like Lamar Odom.

10 man line up

7-1 270 Mosgov
6-10 245 Amare
6-10 235 Gallo
6-8 225 Cahndler
6-1 200 felton
6th man 6-11 230 Randolph
7th 6-1 190 Douglas
8 6-10 250 Ron Turriaf
9 6-6 225 B Walker
10 6-5 200 Mason

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9/30/2010  10:20 AM
the way it stands now we can have 3 players on the court at all times 6'10 or taller
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9/30/2010  10:35 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I always feel you should play the guy who earned the job. Just becasue Mosgov is a rookie--that means nothing. The guy is the only true legit 5 man at 7-1 270 and I would prefer to go with him if he is really playing well--I would always want to play a big man like that--we could use another one. Randolph can get his minutes as 6th man kind of like Lamar Odom.

10 man line up

7-1 270 Mosgov
6-10 245 Amare
6-10 235 Gallo
6-8 225 Cahndler
6-1 200 felton
6th man 6-11 230 Randolph
7th 6-1 190 Douglas
8 6-10 250 Ron Turriaf
9 6-6 225 B Walker
10 6-5 200 Mason

I agree. I dont know if Mosgov wins the starting C spot right away but he will be there before the year ends. I also think Roger Mason starts at SG eventually, although Azu could be an xfactor there. I thought Mason was really really solid for the Spurs 2 years ago, not really sure why he fell out of favor or his minutes got cut. Dude can really shoot.
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9/30/2010  11:10 AM
Turiaf will start cuz he's a vet and knows what he's doing. To start the year off you want to make sure guys won't be overwhelmed by the situation. Timo will be worked in slowly which makes sense. Mason was injured last year and that is likely the only reason that he fell off. He's 100% from what I understand and so he should be back to his usual sharp shooting ways. I think AZ is the guy that will eventually take the SG spot if he fully heals and get's back to full strength, but that's not a lock to happen. The history on injuries is that it takes more than one season to regain the full strength. Too bad cuz he's really a good player.
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9/30/2010  11:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/30/2010  11:27 AM
"If your friends jump off a building does that mean you need to...?"

"and most around here didnt even count on him playing much."

fishmike - bruh, what do I keep trying to tell you about following the crowd?

The word to describe a Mozgov dunk has not been invented yet

When Mozgov considers an interview request the Emergency Broadcast Warning System kicks in around the world, an hour in advance

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9/30/2010  11:41 AM
misterearl wrote:"If your friends jump off a building does that mean you need to...?"

"and most around here didnt even count on him playing much."

fishmike - bruh, what do I keep trying to tell you about following the crowd?

The word to describe a Mozgov dunk has not been invented yet

When Mozgov considers an interview request the Emergency Broadcast Warning System kicks in around the world, an hour in advance

Looking out of her Window Sarah Palin claims to have seen Mozgov grapple with a Siberian Tiger for fun.

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9/30/2010  1:00 PM
as much as this season will rely upon gallinari, randolph, felton, chandler all taking necessary steps forward, i think there is a huge onus on d'antoni to prove that he knows what he's doing.

if this guy goes with a 7 man rotation and is yanking around randolph with DNP-CDs, i will be the first guy calling for his head, i don't care how many points his f-ing suns teams scored with nash running the point.

it is characteristic human trait that ppl thrive when they know what to expect. we don't respond well to chaos, we respond to habit and certainty. randolph should be getting 25-30 minutes every game. if they want to vary what kind of stuff he does so be it but to put him in one night and out the next 3, LIKE MDA was doing with toney douglas last yr, is NOT good coaching.

same thing with mozgov. he is a young player with a fragile ego. i agree that bringing him off the bench is probably the best thing to do to start the season, but if and when he plays his way into the starting unit, he should be starting. none of this "jon bender is gonna play not jordan hill b/c jon bender is a vet" nonsense. play the best god damn players and play them consistently.

finally,it seems like this team is deep enough to play 8 to 9 players a game. like briggs laid out, a 10 man rotation is entirely within the realm of possibility. if d'antoni is doing this nonsense with a 7 man rotation and going felton-chandler-gallo-amare-turiaf with roger mason as 6th man and mozgov and randolph occasionally getting DNP-CDs, we should be calling for his head.

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9/30/2010  1:18 PM
Briggs why not Fields over Walker
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Elite wrote:Briggs why not Fields over Walker

Well Walker did avg 11 points and prove to have a nice 3pt shot---Im not sure about the 2nd part of the 9-10 or so. Whoever earns it earns it.

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9/30/2010  1:52 PM
BigSm00th wrote:as much as this season will rely upon gallinari, randolph, felton, chandler all taking necessary steps forward, i think there is a huge onus on d'antoni to prove that he knows what he's doing.

if this guy goes with a 7 man rotation and is yanking around randolph with DNP-CDs, i will be the first guy calling for his head, i don't care how many points his f-ing suns teams scored with nash running the point.

it is characteristic human trait that ppl thrive when they know what to expect. we don't respond well to chaos, we respond to habit and certainty. randolph should be getting 25-30 minutes every game. if they want to vary what kind of stuff he does so be it but to put him in one night and out the next 3, LIKE MDA was doing with toney douglas last yr, is NOT good coaching.

same thing with mozgov. he is a young player with a fragile ego. i agree that bringing him off the bench is probably the best thing to do to start the season, but if and when he plays his way into the starting unit, he should be starting. none of this "jon bender is gonna play not jordan hill b/c jon bender is a vet" nonsense. play the best god damn players and play them consistently.

finally,it seems like this team is deep enough to play 8 to 9 players a game. like briggs laid out, a 10 man rotation is entirely within the realm of possibility. if d'antoni is doing this nonsense with a 7 man rotation and going felton-chandler-gallo-amare-turiaf with roger mason as 6th man and mozgov and randolph occasionally getting DNP-CDs, we should be calling for his head.


the last two years were very tough to coach here. Everyone knew there was a house cleaning and its tough to work like that. I thought MDA did ok. Lenny, Larry and Isiah all had coaching success before the Knicks and were horrible here. MDA gets lumped into that group imo. While there were certainly some head scratching issues with players and rotations there was some good also. If he get knocked for Jordan Hill's development then MDDA should get credit for Lee's and Chandler's, etc

Most of all I think most of the problems you listed above were solved by Walsh. Every player here has a chance to be a part of the long term plan.

As for the rotation I've never been a big fan of 10 guys. I think 8 +1 is what works best. Its such a rythm sport. I feel like guys play better when they have long chunks of time together. My preference would be like those late 90s Knicks. Start big then sub fast. Remember that SL? Ewing, Kurt, LJ, Houston and Ward. Then in came Spree, Camby and Childs. To me thats ideal.

Lets see who wins the SG spot. Once thats settled the rest will fall into place. 2 years ago Roger Mason was REALLY good for the Spurs, and shot > 40% from downtown. He's quick, smart and saavy and we need the extra shooter when Felton is on the floor. That being said if Chandler outplays him, or Fields, or Walker they should start. Healthy competition is a big thing. Its a long season, everyone will get a chance. Azubuike was having a breakout year also. Then he had to share time w/ Morrow and moved to SF. Then he got hurt. I think he's the most talented.

Based on talent my rotation would be:
PG Felton
SG Azubuike 6'6
SF Gallo 6'11
PF Amare 6'10
C Mosgov 7'1
bench: Douglas, Chandler, Randolph
+1 Turiaf for defense, foul trouble, etc

Mosgov's minutes will be limited a bit but the other 7 guys will play about 30-34 minutes which is typical of MDA's rotations. By comparison Amare averaged 32mpg, Nash 35mpg, Daiw 30mpg, Barbosa 30mpg. The guy rode was Marion who was usually just under 40mpg.

If you give 8 guys equal time its 30mpg. Mosgov will see 18-20. The extra 10mpg will probably go to Amare and Felton and they will get 35mpg(ish). 30mpg for the other 5 guys seems about right.

In a perfect world thats how I would draw it up. We have depth to rest some guys longer on B2Bs.

I dont like the 10 man rotation at all. Yes my way means we will have talented guys that arent in the rotation, but they will get their chance in practice, etc. I have ZERO problem with a guy like Chandler getting dropped from the rotation for 10 games if Fields is kicking his ass in practice. Thats how you get better and grow internally.

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9/30/2010  1:55 PM
Has a player ever placed in rookie of the year voting and not been drafted? I have a feeling Mosgov is going to do more in his rookie year than some other bigs have that were drafted top 10 in the last few years.
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9/30/2010  2:25 PM
Elite wrote:Briggs why not Fields over Walker

IMO Fields will eventually take time from Walker, especially if Walker can't hit the 3's like he did last year, and Fields can show some kind of consistency with his J.

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9/30/2010  2:32 PM
In the NBA it's TALENT 1st then Coaching. Mike like most coaches needed talent and players that weren't preoccupied with their next contract. This is a roster than is built to win and can focus on winning. A kid like Timo that plays with energy and is showing he wants to learn will get more of a chance from Mike. Coaches want to win more than anything and there's no way that Mike is gonna leave a 7'1" athlete on the bench when we have to compete with teams that come with big lineups. Donnie did his thing this summer and now Mike can do his thing.

I love the fact that guys came in super early and got it going. That's the kind of attitude that we've missed. Timo is learning from Amar'e and Turiaf who bring it every second of every day. That's a good foundation for a young big. We didn't have that last year. Lee was GOOD, but he's not that kind of leader, to demand his teammates step up.

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