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9/5/2010  2:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2010  2:53 PM
for Willie Green and sign Earl Barron. We get rid of Turriafs 4mm next year--add in needed guard depth and replace Turiaf with Barron and Mosgov. We could throw 3mm in cash to put towards the contract next year to sweeten it. They lost their shot blocker with Dalembart gone and have a glut of guards. I don't look at Ron as anything we cant replace quite easily. We get that shooter we need until Azu comes back(if) and clear out 4.3mm in cap in 2011
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9/5/2010  3:54 PM
I like Turiaf, I kind of want him here. He can be a solid vet and be role model for AR etc
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9/5/2010  4:01 PM
loweyecue wrote:I like Turiaf, I kind of want him here. He can be a solid vet and be role model for AR etc

Over- rated. Randolph plays jacked and should start C anyway. We rid ourselves of that 4.3mm next year--gain much needed jump-shooting off the bench this year and we can replace a back up with another one. Move Mosgov behind Randolph at starting 5 and bring in Barron to play 4-5

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9/5/2010  5:14 PM
D'Antoni likes and play vets. He also needs players to be leaders. Turiaf fills both roles. He seems like he will be a fan favorite and a leader.
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9/5/2010  7:30 PM
Let's get one thing straight, ALL coaches love vets. No coach wants a bunch of kids except an ex college coach that is more comfortable with young men willing to be molded. That said, MDA is gonna have no choice but to play a lot of kids. Besides he had a very young team in PHX when he took over and he did a great job with that team. I fully expect the same thing here. I wouldn't want to trade Turiaf cuz I think he fills needs as CrushAlot said. Tough defender, high energy, class guy. He's our new Junk Yard Dog and I wouldn't want to give that up.
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9/5/2010  8:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2010  8:29 PM
nixluva wrote:Let's get one thing straight, ALL coaches love vets. No coach wants a bunch of kids except an ex college coach that is more comfortable with young men willing to be molded. That said, MDA is gonna have no choice but to play a lot of kids. Besides he had a very young team in PHX when he took over and he did a great job with that team. I fully expect the same thing here. I wouldn't want to trade Turiaf cuz I think he fills needs as CrushAlot said. Tough defender, high energy, class guy. He's our new Junk Yard Dog and I wouldn't want to give that up.

Nah--Im not sold on a team that needs to start R Turriaf @ C--that means something went foul. We need a jump-shooter(plus next years cap space) much more than we need R Turriaf. I see no reason why we cant just sign Barron and use Mosgov--both are probably better than turriaf. Our vets are Amare Stoudemire and Ray Felton--Willie Green is 29 and has been in the league--we could use his 45%+ jumpshooting off the bench. I think well be fine in the middle--I mean what is the goal with R Turriaf--hes not a long range player

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9/5/2010  8:44 PM
I don't think Turiaf has to be the starting center but I think he will be that guy when the season starts. I also think that guys like Turiaf are underrated for their leadership and presence. I believe that Nelson said that Turiaf was the guy he would miss the most on the team when the trade happened. I think teams need guys like Turiaf and I also think the coach will be comfortable with him. I think he will fill a big role for the Knicks.
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CrushAlot wrote:I don't think Turiaf has to be the starting center but I think he will be that guy when the season starts. I also think that guys like Turiaf are underrated for their leadership and presence. I believe that Nelson said that Turiaf was the guy he would miss the most on the team when the trade happened. I think teams need guys like Turiaf and I also think the coach will be comfortable with him. I think he will fill a big role for the Knicks.

To be honest with you--the 4.3mm in cap space + the additional jumpshooter is worth more than a towel waving vet who will give me 5-4. If Mosgov can play--I dont want R Turriaf taking time from him. Teams have moved Turriaf freely--hes a back up/ The cap space alone is worth more than Turriaf--not to mention we would fill a void where it counts--jump shooting G.

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9/5/2010  9:20 PM
Have to disagree with you here Briggs... I think Turiaf plays a vital role on this team... we need his presence at Center more than another jumpshooter. Isn't that why we signed Mason for? We need bangers down low and besides him, do we have any enforcer types that can defend the low block? I don't see any.
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9/5/2010  9:37 PM

You sure Mozgov gonna see floor time Briggs? I'm not. I like Turiaf at least he
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9/5/2010  9:52 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think Turiaf has to be the starting center but I think he will be that guy when the season starts. I also think that guys like Turiaf are underrated for their leadership and presence. I believe that Nelson said that Turiaf was the guy he would miss the most on the team when the trade happened. I think teams need guys like Turiaf and I also think the coach will be comfortable with him. I think he will fill a big role for the Knicks.

To be honest with you--the 4.3mm in cap space + the additional jumpshooter is worth more than a towel waving vet who will give me 5-4. If Mosgov can play--I dont want R Turriaf taking time from him. Teams have moved Turriaf freely--hes a back up/ The cap space alone is worth more than Turriaf--not to mention we would fill a void where it counts--jump shooting G.

I think Turiaf is a starter for D'Antoni. I also think it will be awhile before Timofey is ready to play. D'Antoni has spoken positively about Timofey so maybe he gives him minutes unlike other rookies. However, I think Timofey will be going thru a huge transition to a new country and a higher level league. I think the Knicks took a flier on him based on potential not on him filling a need on the court next year.
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9/5/2010  9:54 PM
I wouldn't mind a real 2 guard, but green isn't a good shooter and I'm not convinced he's better than Mason or Walker. He would just be another guy who wants minutes.
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9/5/2010  10:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2010  10:17 PM
Turiaf will also be good for AR in terms of keeping him centered.

I'm also in the group which believes that Turiaf's value as a teammate is as important (or more so) as his value on the court as a player.

He has a mature perspective on life, he plays with heart, and I expect him to be great for our team chemistry and a favorite of fans, despite the fact that I don't see him averaging much more than 15-18 MPG.

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9/6/2010  1:04 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Let's get one thing straight, ALL coaches love vets. No coach wants a bunch of kids except an ex college coach that is more comfortable with young men willing to be molded. That said, MDA is gonna have no choice but to play a lot of kids. Besides he had a very young team in PHX when he took over and he did a great job with that team. I fully expect the same thing here. I wouldn't want to trade Turiaf cuz I think he fills needs as CrushAlot said. Tough defender, high energy, class guy. He's our new Junk Yard Dog and I wouldn't want to give that up.

Nah--Im not sold on a team that needs to start R Turriaf @ C--that means something went foul. We need a jump-shooter(plus next years cap space) much more than we need R Turriaf. I see no reason why we cant just sign Barron and use Mosgov--both are probably better than turriaf. Our vets are Amare Stoudemire and Ray Felton--Willie Green is 29 and has been in the league--we could use his 45%+ jumpshooting off the bench. I think well be fine in the middle--I mean what is the goal with R Turriaf--hes not a long range player


Well We didn't have much of a C last year or the year before that. Given the makeup of the team I think he provides a good role model for the younger players. His energy and work ethic is good for these guys to see. He doesn't take a second off and gives max effort on D. Now of course he's not a great C, but that's not the point. This system will do just fine without a great player at C. It also allows for more minutes to develop Timo, which could be a good thing.

I also don't think adding Green would make that much of a difference. We've already got enough guys that can fill in at the SG spot. Not to mention sliding TD over there at times. I think the Barron thing is likely over. I wouldn't be so fast to suggest that Barron is better than Turiaf either. At least Turiaf has been able to remain in the league this whole time. Who knows maybe Turiaf has a Barron like stretch of games for us at some point this season.

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9/6/2010  2:16 AM
Turiaf will be the starting C to start the season... just accept it
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9/6/2010  7:04 AM
Briggs- I was almost going to say you were onto something, but then I looked at Willie Green's profile and stats- dude is 6'3"- don't we have enough of those tweeners.

And dude has shot .317 for his career from the 3- don't see how that helps.

We could pick someone up from the NBDL that can give us those kinds of numbers.

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9/6/2010  7:59 AM
Can we sign Baron? I thought we were interested and it hasn't gotten done.
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9/6/2010  9:17 AM
11 mil and nobody even figures in e Eddy for even ten min?
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franco12 wrote:Briggs- I was almost going to say you were onto something, but then I looked at Willie Green's profile and stats- dude is 6'3"- don't we have enough of those tweeners.

And dude has shot .317 for his career from the 3- don't see how that helps.

We could pick someone up from the NBDL that can give us those kinds of numbers.

Paging Anthony Roberson, please report to training camp

Well someone from the D league doesnt remove 4.3mm in cap next year!! Also his shooting numbers have gone up--he was 46% nearly 35 from 3 and +80 from the foul line last year

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9/6/2010  12:27 PM
Nalod wrote:11 mil and nobody even figures in e Eddy for even ten min?

I think it's just no one wants to say anything until we at least hear and see Eddy. Who knows what the guy has been doing. There's been zero info coming from his people or the Knicks. Is he in any kind of shape to play? We all know he has a lot of talent, but his head seems to be all messed up. You'd think he'd be super motivated being a contract year. We'll see.
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