BRIGGS wrote:I brought this up before--but I have serious concerns in this area--its taken for granted but we lost a top 3 rebounder in the league. Amare has never been a great re-bounder even in his prime--Turriaf is not a good rebounder and Randolph is not fully proven

All of this stuff about who should be the 15th guy--- bring in Douby PEJ Landry or what have you--what about big men who can rebound???? I thought they were going to take care of this but seem to be sleeping in this area!!

I don't know what to expect from this team, but we actually have more rebounders now than we did last year. We have more size this year than last year. Amare, Turiaf, AR, Timo should be able to rebound enough to keep us from being a bad rebounding team. It won't just be one guy anymore. We my not be great, but adequate enough to win.

Amare 9 vs. Lee 12 = -3 - we have to make up those rebounds somewhere else.

Turiaf 5 vs. Jared 4 in 28 mpg. = +1 depending upon number of minutes played. Turiaf avg'd 5 in 20 mpg. His minutes could increase here and he's a better rebounder than Jared. Turiaf could avg 7 or 8 if he got 20-28 mpg like Jared.

Randolph 6 vs. Harrington 6 = 0. Here's the thing tho. AR got his 6.5 rpg in about 23 mpg. Al only got 5.6 in 30 mpg. AR is clearly a kid that could be a good rebounder for us with 30+ minutes per. Who knows what the kid would avg with big minutes.

I don't worry about rebounds as much as I worry about overall defense.

Moonangie wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I'd much rather have a team that outrebounds it's opponents routinely than a team that has one individual plus rebounder but offers little else..

Don't mean to nitpick, but Lee was a solid offensive threat last year. He maybe didn't average the same scores as Amare, but he brought the type of intensity, size, agility and hands that I want in a scoring PF. He was freakin awesome at times. Just figure he is due his props.

But I love what I have seen of AR, and think in a couple of years he may be an all-star 4.

I was only really talking about rebounding Moon, nothing else...I'd rather have a TEAM that wins the rebounding battle on a nightly basis even if it doesn't have one of the league's best rebounders over a team that does have a real dominant individual rebounder yet gets outrebounded anyway...TEAM success comes before any individual accolades in my book now-a-days...That said, I do agree with you, Lee has turned into one heck of an all-around player..

The Knicks aren't built with top flight rebounders and that will be a year long weakness till they acquire significant rotation players who can board.

VDesai wrote:If your concern is on the court rebounding, you need a rotation player who can rebound not a 15th guy - someone who comes in for more than 1 in 8 games.

The Knicks aren't built with top flight rebounders and that will be a year long weakness till they acquire significant rotation players who can board.

Don't agree...If you look at the rebounding potential logically, yeah we don't have Lee anymore BUT we should still have enough...I think Nix's speculation as far as where the rebounding will be coming from is on the money...We may not have a top-5 rebounder anymore but COLLECTIVELY it looks like we have enough to get the job done on the glass..I feel Amar'e will give us at least 9 a game (I suspect he'll be super motivated, esp. taking over for Lee -- I've heard him talk about rebounding shortly after he got here - he knows it's a concern. I betcha this'll be the first year in his career he goes for double-digit rebounding--he's certainly capable, he just needs to fully commit himself to this aspect of the game) then we have AR (if he plays the 35+ mins a night that I want him to play [that we need him to play] I betcha he'll go for 10+ rpg himself)..Those are 2 guys that should average 20/game between them if not more. That's a great start right there..Then you have the secondary rebounding contributors -- Turiaf at 6'10" (some people are completely sleeping on what this guy's gonna provide, whether it's in 20 mins per or more--I'm looking at this guy as either our Kendrick Perkins-type starting center or a very productive role player coming off the bench depending on how Mike wants to go...This guy is not a stiff--he's already PROVED he's a valuable role player on each team he's played on in the NBA--no reason in the world to expect anything less with us), Gallo at 6'10", Chandler at 6'8" at the 2 should provide a sizable rebounding advantage, management obviously likes this kid Mozgov and he's over 7' and a banger, Fields can even hit the glass hard on both ends if he ever gets any playing time, etc...Randolph is really the big key though---with AR going for 35 mpg or more we should be OK. More than OK possibly..

However, if mgmt. still feels we're a little light in this area and decides to bring in another big for training camp evaluation with a chance to make the club, I'd like for us to take a close look at 6'11" C Dwayne Jones...From what little I've seen of him, he doesn't look to be the swiftest big man and a little slow reaction-wise (which admittedly gives me some pause when thinking about how he'd fit into this system--obviously Mike would like to get out and run a little more now that he finally has some horses and Jones doesn't look like the quickest big in the world) but it looks like he gives max effort when it comes to rebounding the ball and he looks to be 100% committed to doing all the dirty work..Dude went for 16 rpg a game last year for the Austin Toros which led the D-League...I'm not sure what Barron's deal is but if you believe the lastest rumors surrounding this guy it looks like coming back to NY is a longshot at the moment for whatever reason (Earl might be holding out for too much money or a contract with some length that we just aren't in a position to provide right now). If that's true, I say move on and be proactive -- offer Jones a training camp invite now before some other team out there looks at the numbers and comes to their senses and beats us to the punch..Bring him in right now on the cheap and let's see what he can do. Let's see if he fits..

TMS wrote:we can probably trade AR, Turiaf & Bukkake for David Lee.

I think TMS is just happy we have a player named Bukkake.

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:we can probably trade AR, Turiaf & Bukkake for David Lee.

I think TMS is just happy we have a player named Bukkake.

wait, we need to clear some cap space to make the deal... let's throw in Gallo & 2 future 1st round picks.

What player out there is a decent outside shooter and a good rebounder and an ok defender?