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AnubisADL
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8/21/2010  12:07 PM
If we could acquire Melo next summer I cant see Randolph or Gallo developing with Amare and Melo playing 35+ minutes a night at SF and PF. Maybe losing Randolph and Gallo in a trade wouldnt be that bad if they wouldnt blossom here anyway. I just cant see two young forward developing playing behind Amare and Melo. Where will the minutes and shots come from for these young guys?

Does anyone know an example of a player developing into a star playing behind a star?

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8/21/2010  12:11 PM
We'll find out this year if Gallo is the real deal or not. He'll be in his third year.

If he disappoints, will Knicks fans still wait for him to develop? I won't.

I'd give Randolph another year though.

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8/21/2010  12:16 PM
i think amare's going to get a lot of minutes at center, so gallo or randolph will see plenty of minutes. i don't see any problems with developing one of them with amar'e and melo, particularly since either of them should be flexible with the 3 front-line positions.
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8/21/2010  12:20 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:We'll find out this year if Gallo is the real deal or not. He'll be in his third year.

If he disappoints, will Knicks fans still wait for him to develop? I won't.

I'd give Randolph another year though.

In what way would Gallo be a failure tho? If he doesn't make a significant jump to near All Star level wouldn't he still be a great bench player for us? If he didn't develop another part of his game his 3 pt shooting and size would be enough to keep him IMO. Every team still needs really good 6th n 7th man.

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8/21/2010  12:35 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:We'll find out this year if Gallo is the real deal or not. He'll be in his third year.

If he disappoints, will Knicks fans still wait for him to develop? I won't.

I'd give Randolph another year though.

In what way would Gallo be a failure tho? If he doesn't make a significant jump to near All Star level wouldn't he still be a great bench player for us? If he didn't develop another part of his game his 3 pt shooting and size would be enough to keep him IMO. Every team still needs really good 6th n 7th man.

I didn't say he would be a failure. I just said I wouldn't wait for him to be some kind of a breakout player the way I'm waiting this year. If he turns out to be a consistent 6th man of the year type of player, then that's great. I just wouldn't expect any kind of all star caliber seasons if he doesn't progress this year.

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8/21/2010  12:38 PM
I think starting this year you could start to see Gallo playing minutes at the 4. He definitely has the toughness to play the 4, hopefully if he is healthy he can start to add the weight as eventually the 4 should be his natural position. Like to see him start to add some post up moves into his game
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8/21/2010  12:39 PM
Marv wrote:i think amare's going to get a lot of minutes at center, so gallo or randolph will see plenty of minutes. i don't see any problems with developing one of them with amar'e and melo, particularly since either of them should be flexible with the 3 front-line positions.

I think Amare made it clear before he signed that he did NOT want to play extended minutes at center. Plus with those knees why would we want him too. He is on a 5 yr deal at max money.

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8/21/2010  12:41 PM
BTW - pretty excited about adding Azubuike. This kid should have a break out year.
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8/21/2010  12:43 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i think amare's going to get a lot of minutes at center, so gallo or randolph will see plenty of minutes. i don't see any problems with developing one of them with amar'e and melo, particularly since either of them should be flexible with the 3 front-line positions.

I think Amare made it clear before he signed that he did NOT want to play extended minutes at center. Plus with those knees why would we want him too. He is on a 5 yr deal at max money.

I don't think you can play someone like Amar'e at Center. That's like asking Kobe to play PG or Lebron to play SG. I mean, both of those guys can play those positions, but the point is that its not their natural positions.

Amar'e is a star player. He should play his natural PF position.

I'd start Turiaf at Center and then slowly begin to incorporate Mosgov into the starting lineup. Just throw him to the wolves and let him learn on real game experience.

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8/21/2010  12:50 PM
What Im getting at guys is how can Gallo or Randolph ever blossom with Carmelo and Amare playing ahead of them. Not enough shots or touches to go around.
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8/21/2010  12:53 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i think amare's going to get a lot of minutes at center, so gallo or randolph will see plenty of minutes. i don't see any problems with developing one of them with amar'e and melo, particularly since either of them should be flexible with the 3 front-line positions.

I think Amare made it clear before he signed that he did NOT want to play extended minutes at center. Plus with those knees why would we want him too. He is on a 5 yr deal at max money.

I don't think you can play someone like Amar'e at Center. That's like asking Kobe to play PG or Lebron to play SG. I mean, both of those guys can play those positions, but the point is that its not their natural positions.

Amar'e is a star player. He should play his natural PF position.

I'd start Turiaf at Center and then slowly begin to incorporate Mosgov into the starting lineup. Just throw him to the wolves and let him learn on real game experience.

how manky minutes has turiaf been able to play in his career? plus he's coming off a fresh injury. mosgov's fouls/minute are going to threaten jerome's standards. it's amar'e by default.

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8/21/2010  12:56 PM
AnubisADL wrote:What Im getting at guys is how can Gallo or Randolph ever blossom with Carmelo and Amare playing ahead of them. Not enough shots or touches to go around.

there really should be. on phoenix amar'e and nash got tons of shots but so too did marion, joe johnson, q, etc. gallo needs to learn to be more aggressive and opportunistic anyway.

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8/21/2010  12:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/21/2010  12:58 PM
I am sure one of the two - Randolph or Gallo - will be moved to get Carmelo in a trade or moved if we sign Carmelo for a piece that we may need depending on how the team develops over the next year or so
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8/21/2010  1:05 PM
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:What Im getting at guys is how can Gallo or Randolph ever blossom with Carmelo and Amare playing ahead of them. Not enough shots or touches to go around.

there really should be. on phoenix amar'e and nash got tons of shots but so too did marion, joe johnson, q, etc. gallo needs to learn to be more aggressive and opportunistic anyway.

Joe Johnson left and got better in Atlanta. Marion scored off garbae points. Q stood around and jacked 3's. Carmelo takes alot of shots per game and I dont see it dropping if he comes here.

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8/21/2010  1:19 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:What Im getting at guys is how can Gallo or Randolph ever blossom with Carmelo and Amare playing ahead of them. Not enough shots or touches to go around.

there really should be. on phoenix amar'e and nash got tons of shots but so too did marion, joe johnson, q, etc. gallo needs to learn to be more aggressive and opportunistic anyway.

Joe Johnson left and got better in Atlanta. Marion scored off garbae points. Q stood around and jacked 3's. Carmelo takes alot of shots per game and I dont see it dropping if he comes here.

well then perhaps you should compare johnsons's and marion’s careers pre-phoenix to see if they blossomed there or not. and apparently q jacked 3s because mda wanted him to and because his back was f'd up by then. but he was still pretty well lauded throughout the league for his performance in phoenix.

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8/21/2010  2:11 PM
Idk much about Buke's defense, but I really like him as an offensive player. He can handle the ball, drive, pull up off the dribble, and knock down open threes. Much more well rounded than Gallo. Supposedly he was the Warriors best defensive player, but what does that mean? Their defense was flat out pathetic.
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8/21/2010  2:25 PM
AnubisADL wrote:What Im getting at guys is how can Gallo or Randolph ever blossom with Carmelo and Amare playing ahead of them. Not enough shots or touches to go around.

Maybe not, but a guy like Gallo can keep the defense stretched out all the time and make it easier for other players by giving them more room to operate. Gallo doesn't have to handle the ball much, nor do I want him to unless he does make a leap of improvement. If we get a better pg or if Felton really plays well that pick and roll is going to be tough. Duhon even ran it well for half a season. McGrady ran it even better. Other teams were bringing a 3rd guy off the perimeter to help with the pick and roll. Idk how many times Billy Walker was just left WIDE OPEN. Run the pick and roll with Gallo and Buke open for three, and Melo on the baseline for a mid range j. The MDA offense IS the pick and roll so i would rather have paul to play the 2man game with Amare but I would still love Melo. Back to my point, Gallo just has to fill a role. When teams lay off him or double team, he will make them pay. Look at Rashard Lewis and Michael Pietrus on Orlando. They just spot up all day and wait for open shots, and then occasionally drive.
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8/21/2010  3:21 PM
I think if we get Melo signed as a FA (no trade) we can develop Gallo at the 3/4 for three years and possibly move Stat before his knees start to get balky. AR can play the 3/4/5 and IMO is probably a keeper long-term. I agree with those who said this is the year for evaluating Gallo (3rd year). We should also get a clearer picture on how AR fits.
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8/21/2010  7:45 PM
This system simply creates a pace that allows everyone to get plenty of shots. We cranked the tempo down the last 2 years, but you can fully expect that MDA will pick up the pace to full speed. That means that with more possessions per minute the young guys will still see plenty of time on the court. Mike's system is like an alternate universe in terms of how players are used and since he plays a shorter rotation that also increases the minutes for the lucky few that are in the rotation.

Felton, Melo, Amare, Gallo & AR would receive the bulk of the minutes. With Mike, positions don't really mean as much. He knows he's got versatile players all over the place, so you can put some unorthodox lineups out there. Melo could drop to SG, Gallo to SF and AR to C. There will be plenty of time for these kids.

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8/21/2010  8:41 PM
what about Mosgov the monster... everytime I see this 7'1 athletic beast I'm thinking he might be the offseason pickup of the year. Guys with that size and skill dont grow on trees.
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