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8/11/2010  8:59 PM
Pick up TJ ford when he is released promise him a solid back up role/and three guard sets.


Trade T Douglas and 2 2nd ro0und picks to Sacremento for Jason Thompson

Line up 8 man

C-Randolph (32minutes)
F Stoudemire(34 minutes)
F Gallo 38
G Chandler 30
G Felton 34
C Thompson(32 minutes)
F Azubukie 20
G Ford 20

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8/11/2010  9:16 PM
i'd sign up for that.
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8/11/2010  9:20 PM
Sac would be crazy, Jason Thompson is a hell of a player.. hes gunna be real good
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8/11/2010  9:23 PM
Isn't TJ a bad apple? Do we really need a player that will upset the cart?
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8/12/2010  12:01 AM
Yes to Jason Thompson. No to TJ Ford.
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8/12/2010  12:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2010  1:10 AM
What does Sac. do with Toney Douglas?? They've got Evans running the show and a good backup in Beno Udrih (guaranteed close to $22M over the next 3 years). Plus they're OK at the 2 with Francisco Garcia (locked up for at least another 3 years with a 4th year player option), Udrih can swing over and play some off-guard & they just acquired Antoine Wright who played well for Toronto in spurts last season splitting time with Sonny Weems.. TD and a couple of 2s doesn't get you Jason Thompson. Hey don't get me wrong, I'd offer it right up, I just don't see the Kings taking that deal.. This is also why I can't see them being interested in a Billy Walker/Rautins/2014 #1 package for Thompson or even Landry for that matter... They already have better wings than Walker, Rautins isn't exactly some great sweetner and neither is a 2014 1st rounder which probably winds up going in the low 20s (I have faith we should be a fairly decent club by then)..Those are underwhelming packages for one of the better up-and-coming youngsters in the league..No way the Kings go for any of these proposals..We're not offering them anything with these deals. The real trade to make with Sacramento was right after the draft for the wild card Hassan Whiteside, right after he fell into their lap unexpectedly, before he went through summer league and before they got a chance to evaluate what they had with him up close..I can't see them as willing to deal him now as they may have been back then. I would've liked to see us try to steal him back when we may have had the chance.


Picking up TJ Ford on a vet minimum-type deal if he's released isn't a bad idea I guess (I tend to agree with Martin though -- I think I'd rather stick with TD over Ford) although I still think Patrick Mills is our best option right now for PG depth..Possibly cheaper too..All we have to do is make a fiscally responsible offer with the leftover cap room and see if Portland matches. I don't think they would..I'd rather have Mills over Ford to be honest -- a good five years younger, better shooter, probably a good 2 inches taller (Mills is a legit 6', Ford's more 5'10"-ish)..All this kid Mills needs is a chance..He's not gonna ever get that in Portland. They're just too deep in the backcourt. I see some Mo Cheeks/Darren Collison-type ability with this kid Mills. Higher ceiling than Ford for the same type of money..I'd look to steal Patty Mills away from the Blazers first before I thought about bringing in TJ Ford. But that's me.

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8/12/2010  1:04 AM
Pick up TJ Ford?

This is a terrible idea.

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8/12/2010  1:11 AM
Finestrg wrote:What does Sac. do with Toney Douglas?? They've got Evans running the show and a good backup in Beno Udrih (guaranteed close to $22M over the next 3 years). Plus they're OK at the 2 with Francisco Garcia (locked up for at least another 3 years with a 4th year player option), Udrih can swing over and play some off-guard & they just acquired Antoine Wright who played well for Toronto in spurts last season splitting time with Sonny Weems.. TD and a couple of 2s doesn't get you Jason Thompson. Hey don't get me wrong, I'd offer it right up, I just don't see the Kings taking that deal.. This is also why I can't see them being interested in a Billy Walker/Rautins/2014 #1 package for Thompson or even Landry for that matter... They already have better wings than Walker, Rautins isn't exactly some great sweetner and neither is a 2014 1st rounder which probably winds up going in the low 20s (I have faith we should be a fairly decent club by then)..Those are underwhelming packages for one of the better up-and-coming youngsters in the league..No way the Kings go for any of these proposals..We're not offering them anything with these deals. The real trade to make with Sacramento was right after the draft for the wild card Hassan Whiteside, right after he fell into their lap unexpectedly, before he went through summer league and before they got a chance to evaluate what they had with him up close..I can't see them as willing to deal him now as they may have been back then.


Picking up TJ Ford on a vet minimum-type deal if he's released isn't a bad idea I guess (I tend to agree with Martin though -- I think I'd rather stick with TD over Ford) although I still think Patrick Mills is our best option right now for PG depth..Possibly cheaper too..All we have to do is make a fiscally responsible offer with the leftover cap room and see if Portland matches. I don't think they would..I'd rather have Mills over Ford to be honest -- a good five years younger, better shooter, probably a good 2 inches taller (Mills is a legit 6', Ford's more 5'10"-ish)..All this kid Mills needs is a chance..He's not gonna ever get that in Portland. They're just too deep in the backcourt. I see some Mo Cheeks/Darren Collison-type ability with this kid Mills. Higher ceiling than Ford for the same type of money..I'd look to steal Patty Mills away from the Blazers first before I thought about bringing in TJ Ford. But that's me.


Good points made about the trade. I'd also prefer TD over TJ. And I don't see him accepting a vet minimum as he just declined a $5mil buyout on his $8.5m contract.
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8/12/2010  2:09 AM
Finestrg wrote:What does Sac. do with Toney Douglas?? They've got Evans running the show and a good backup in Beno Udrih (guaranteed close to $22M over the next 3 years). Plus they're OK at the 2 with Francisco Garcia (locked up for at least another 3 years with a 4th year player option), Udrih can swing over and play some off-guard & they just acquired Antoine Wright who played well for Toronto in spurts last season splitting time with Sonny Weems.. TD and a couple of 2s doesn't get you Jason Thompson. Hey don't get me wrong, I'd offer it right up, I just don't see the Kings taking that deal.. This is also why I can't see them being interested in a Billy Walker/Rautins/2014 #1 package for Thompson or even Landry for that matter... They already have better wings than Walker, Rautins isn't exactly some great sweetner and neither is a 2014 1st rounder which probably winds up going in the low 20s (I have faith we should be a fairly decent club by then)..Those are underwhelming packages for one of the better up-and-coming youngsters in the league..No way the Kings go for any of these proposals..We're not offering them anything with these deals. The real trade to make with Sacramento was right after the draft for the wild card Hassan Whiteside, right after he fell into their lap unexpectedly, before he went through summer league and before they got a chance to evaluate what they had with him up close..I can't see them as willing to deal him now as they may have been back then. I would've liked to see us try to steal him back when we may have had the chance.


Picking up TJ Ford on a vet minimum-type deal if he's released isn't a bad idea I guess (I tend to agree with Martin though -- I think I'd rather stick with TD over Ford) although I still think Patrick Mills is our best option right now for PG depth..Possibly cheaper too..All we have to do is make a fiscally responsible offer with the leftover cap room and see if Portland matches. I don't think they would..I'd rather have Mills over Ford to be honest -- a good five years younger, better shooter, probably a good 2 inches taller (Mills is a legit 6', Ford's more 5'10"-ish)..All this kid Mills needs is a chance..He's not gonna ever get that in Portland. They're just too deep in the backcourt. I see some Mo Cheeks/Darren Collison-type ability with this kid Mills. Higher ceiling than Ford for the same type of money..I'd look to steal Patty Mills away from the Blazers first before I thought about bringing in TJ Ford. But that's me.

fine--Patty Mills hasn't even made an NBA roster. I can see TJ giving the same type of production here as his last year in Toronto where he played just over 20 minutes yet avg 12-6-2 47% Im trying to win this year Im not trying to guess what a player might or might not do.

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8/12/2010  2:23 AM
I think you are undervaluing both of those guys a lot. Ford is a really good player. His degenerative back issue is a huge concern but he is still too good to just waive. Splitting minutes with Collison should extend his season and career. Thompson is a legit big man prospect already putting up numbers. I don't see anyway Douglas and picks gets Douglas.
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8/12/2010  8:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2010  8:33 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think you are undervaluing both of those guys a lot. Ford is a really good player. His degenerative back issue is a huge concern but he is still too good to just waive. Splitting minutes with Collison should extend his season and career. Thompson is a legit big man prospect already putting up numbers. I don't see anyway Douglas and picks gets Douglas.

Good point on Ford Crush..I was thinking the same thing when I was looking over Pacer salaries on hoopshype yesterday..Ford's back is definitely a concern but if he's healthy, he'd be a nice guy to pair up with Collison, assuming Collison is going to start. Ford is owed a whopping $8.5M this year. That's a lot of salary to just eat in a buy-out, even at say 80%..If anything, maybe they look to buy out Jamaal Tinsley instead who might be close to calling it quits anyway (Tinsley has only this upcoming year left on his deal at $5.5M). A Tinsley buy-out might be an easier pill for Indiana ownership to swallow. Plus Ford's 5 years younger than Tinsley and probably brings more to the table at this stage in their careers. Indiana may wish to get some use outta Ford rather than just dump him.

I wonder if Indiana would make Josh McRoberts and/or AJ Price available in a small trade -- those are two young pieces they have at the end of the bench that probably won't see a lot of playing time..McRoberts is esp. intriguing for the Knicks..I wonder if we can go something like Rautins and 1 of the GS 2s for McRoberts or both McRoberts/Price..Not the most ideal targets out there I guess but they'd come cheap and would bolster depth -- one guy as a 3rd PG, the other a 6'10" 250 lb. PF who plays hard, finishes well around the hoop with both hands, rebounds it, has a jumper with some range and knows how to block a shot and play some good interior D...I don't know if we can ever get Jason Thompson from the Kings but McRoberts is a guy we might be able to steal away from Indiana right now for the same purpose.

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8/12/2010  9:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2010  1:35 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Finestrg wrote:What does Sac. do with Toney Douglas?? They've got Evans running the show and a good backup in Beno Udrih (guaranteed close to $22M over the next 3 years). Plus they're OK at the 2 with Francisco Garcia (locked up for at least another 3 years with a 4th year player option), Udrih can swing over and play some off-guard & they just acquired Antoine Wright who played well for Toronto in spurts last season splitting time with Sonny Weems.. TD and a couple of 2s doesn't get you Jason Thompson. Hey don't get me wrong, I'd offer it right up, I just don't see the Kings taking that deal.. This is also why I can't see them being interested in a Billy Walker/Rautins/2014 #1 package for Thompson or even Landry for that matter... They already have better wings than Walker, Rautins isn't exactly some great sweetner and neither is a 2014 1st rounder which probably winds up going in the low 20s (I have faith we should be a fairly decent club by then)..Those are underwhelming packages for one of the better up-and-coming youngsters in the league..No way the Kings go for any of these proposals..We're not offering them anything with these deals. The real trade to make with Sacramento was right after the draft for the wild card Hassan Whiteside, right after he fell into their lap unexpectedly, before he went through summer league and before they got a chance to evaluate what they had with him up close..I can't see them as willing to deal him now as they may have been back then. I would've liked to see us try to steal him back when we may have had the chance.


Picking up TJ Ford on a vet minimum-type deal if he's released isn't a bad idea I guess (I tend to agree with Martin though -- I think I'd rather stick with TD over Ford) although I still think Patrick Mills is our best option right now for PG depth..Possibly cheaper too..All we have to do is make a fiscally responsible offer with the leftover cap room and see if Portland matches. I don't think they would..I'd rather have Mills over Ford to be honest -- a good five years younger, better shooter, probably a good 2 inches taller (Mills is a legit 6', Ford's more 5'10"-ish)..All this kid Mills needs is a chance..He's not gonna ever get that in Portland. They're just too deep in the backcourt. I see some Mo Cheeks/Darren Collison-type ability with this kid Mills. Higher ceiling than Ford for the same type of money..I'd look to steal Patty Mills away from the Blazers first before I thought about bringing in TJ Ford. But that's me.

fine--Patty Mills hasn't even made an NBA roster. I can see TJ giving the same type of production here as his last year in Toronto where he played just over 20 minutes yet avg 12-6-2 47% Im trying to win this year Im not trying to guess what a player might or might not do.

There is no doubt in my mind that Patrick Mills could help an NBA team off the bench for 15-20 mins a night right now. He's ready..The man has nothing left to prove for an NBA job --- he was a standout for St. Mary's, he really excelled with the Australian team against top American PGs in the Olympics a couple of years ago which should've been a real eye-opener for a lot of people--I know it was for me, dominated the D-League and the D-League all-star game during his stay there and played real well this summer for Portland's summer league team..The only thing with this kid is he needs to avoid the nagging injuries that tend to plague certain players (broken wrist in college & then broke his leg last year right before SL--the broken leg really set him back last year in terms of trying to make an impression in Portland. They were forced to move on without him basically. He never got a chance to prove how good he is to McMillan and co. And now, unfortunately for him, that Portland team is even more stacked in the backcourt than there were last year at this point)..The good thing is that neither of those injuries were career-threatening..He's recovered nicely from both, showing no ill-effects...And as far as talent goes, what can't the kid do? Nice stroke from deep and mid-range, he's cat-quick and can get to the rim at will (this dude's a scoring point which is actually a trait I always consider a plus rather than some negative--the more options you can put on the floor that are capable of scoring the ball the better), he's comfortable operating as a PG and knows how to find open teammates/displays very natural-looking PG instincts to me, and the big addition to the repertoire---he played excellent man-to-man defense this summer from what I saw and I saw every game..This kid's talent level tells me he's no project..He'd be able to jump in and help us right away backing up Ray Felton...No doubt in my mind whatsoever. I actually think he's got the type of talent and upside to push Felton the whole year and keep him on his toes -- I think he's that good -- whereas I don't see TD as the type of guy that could ever really push Ray Felton for a starting job. Just my humble opinion.

And just to be clear, Mills was drafted 55th last year and made the team despite suffering the broken leg even..They never cut him..And as I understand it, as a restricted FA he actually has a standing 1-year offer to return to the Blazers for $937,195 unless of course he gets a better offer from someone else -- in which case, the Blazers reserve the right to match any offer..But he's part of that team -- part of their 15-man as of right now..

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8/12/2010  9:04 AM
TJ Ford isnt bad but I am very high on Douglas. Evans can play PG from the SG position, Douglas is a perfect fit there because he will score, shoot and play top flight defense on opposing PGs.

Douglas is going to get a lot of burn imo as he really came on last year and MDA seemed to warm to him. I want to see him first. I think the guy can really be a good player for us for years.

Douglas is also tough and defends first and foremost. This team needs guys like that especially on the wing.

Briggs your thinking isnt bad but I want more time to look at the pieces we have

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8/12/2010  10:59 AM
fishmike wrote:TJ Ford isnt bad but I am very high on Douglas. Evans can play PG from the SG position, Douglas is a perfect fit there because he will score, shoot and play top flight defense on opposing PGs.

Douglas is going to get a lot of burn imo as he really came on last year and MDA seemed to warm to him. I want to see him first. I think the guy can really be a good player for us for years.

Douglas is also tough and defends first and foremost. This team needs guys like that especially on the wing.

Briggs your thinking isnt bad but I want more time to look at the pieces we have

Im not looking to trade TD for TJ Ford--Im looking to get one of Scaremento's young big men. A package of picks and TD--they could use a TD if you look at their line up is a legit offer.

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8/12/2010  11:29 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:TJ Ford isnt bad but I am very high on Douglas. Evans can play PG from the SG position, Douglas is a perfect fit there because he will score, shoot and play top flight defense on opposing PGs.

Douglas is going to get a lot of burn imo as he really came on last year and MDA seemed to warm to him. I want to see him first. I think the guy can really be a good player for us for years.

Douglas is also tough and defends first and foremost. This team needs guys like that especially on the wing.

Briggs your thinking isnt bad but I want more time to look at the pieces we have

Im not looking to trade TD for TJ Ford--Im looking to get one of Scaremento's young big men. A package of picks and TD--they could use a TD if you look at their line up is a legit offer.


no I picked that up... fair enough. We have a bit of a log jam there though. Gallo can play the 3, but currently at PF/C we have:
Amare 6'10
Randolph 6'11
Turiaf 6'10
Mozgof 7'1
Jerome Jordan 7'0
Eddy Curry (will not play for Knicks but has a roster spot)

Where is any more playing time coming from? If you divide the minutes betweet PF/C 3 ways you get 32 minutes a guy, which seems about right to me. Amare and Randolph should be in the low 30s. That leaves one big man off the bench for 20-25 minutes a night and I think that spot is up for grabs. Turiaf is a good energy guy and defends the post very well. Mozgof is an unknown but is a true center and very athletic. I expect nothing from Jordan and less from Curry. Also you will have Gallo and Chandler possibly getting some minutes at the 4 when the Knicks go small with 3 guards. You could certainly see a Felton/Douglas/Chandler/Gallo/Amare line up times.

I think we have the bodies... just need time to let the potion brew and see how good some of these guys are.

How do we know Mozgof or Turiaf wont look great at center next to Amare for long stretches? Its worth some wait and see

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8/12/2010  12:13 PM
While I like Jason Thompson, if we did somehow get him, some of his minutes would come from AR's minutes. Regarding Douglas and Ford, I agree that Ford is the better distributor and finisher, but Douglas is the better shooter and defensive player.
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8/12/2010  8:55 PM
i like the idea of having a defensive minded C to do the dirty work downlow to play alongside Amare & leave the bulk of the scoring duties up to guys like Amare, Felton, Gallo & Wilson... AR can fill that role but he's better suited as a 6th man type in my view... i think we need someone to play some physical defense in the starting rotation... not sure how Jason Thompson's defense is haven't seen enough of him to judge.
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fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:TJ Ford isnt bad but I am very high on Douglas. Evans can play PG from the SG position, Douglas is a perfect fit there because he will score, shoot and play top flight defense on opposing PGs.

Douglas is going to get a lot of burn imo as he really came on last year and MDA seemed to warm to him. I want to see him first. I think the guy can really be a good player for us for years.

Douglas is also tough and defends first and foremost. This team needs guys like that especially on the wing.

Briggs your thinking isnt bad but I want more time to look at the pieces we have

Im not looking to trade TD for TJ Ford--Im looking to get one of Scaremento's young big men. A package of picks and TD--they could use a TD if you look at their line up is a legit offer.


no I picked that up... fair enough. We have a bit of a log jam there though. Gallo can play the 3, but currently at PF/C we have:
Amare 6'10
Randolph 6'11
Turiaf 6'10
Mozgof 7'1
Jerome Jordan 7'0
Eddy Curry (will not play for Knicks but has a roster spot)

Where is any more playing time coming from? If you divide the minutes betweet PF/C 3 ways you get 32 minutes a guy, which seems about right to me. Amare and Randolph should be in the low 30s. That leaves one big man off the bench for 20-25 minutes a night and I think that spot is up for grabs. Turiaf is a good energy guy and defends the post very well. Mozgof is an unknown but is a true center and very athletic. I expect nothing from Jordan and less from Curry. Also you will have Gallo and Chandler possibly getting some minutes at the 4 when the Knicks go small with 3 guards. You could certainly see a Felton/Douglas/Chandler/Gallo/Amare line up times.

I think we have the bodies... just need time to let the potion brew and see how good some of these guys are.

How do we know Mozgof or Turiaf wont look great at center next to Amare for long stretches? Its worth some wait and see

Im not really feeling Turriaf and who in the world knows what Mosgov can do--maybe he will need the D league for all we know. At this point I want more proven players--I want a bench enhancement that really stands out I dont know if we have enough to get Thompson--meaning picks and Douglas or picks and Walker


But our flaw is this--our bench is very unproven besides azubike turriaf is a guy who can come in and give decent minutes but is a limited guy. If we added tj Ford& thompson and only gave up Douglas/picks--that is a no brainer

How can anyone project Mosgov as a rotation guy--has he given me 13-9 in the nBA? Has he given me 13-9 anywhere? Also I think it would be a good idea to have three set rotation with a foul minutes guy/energy guy as the 4th(Turriaf) Reason we signed amare to 5 yeras and I dont think he can or should go more than 33/34 if we give Randolph 30-32--there is 30 minutes available if we keep Gallo @ 3 which is what i want to do for the length of the backline

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8/14/2010  1:45 PM
Knicks have no room for Jason Thompson. I think the Knicks roster is pretty much set. They have great depth at every position. Knicks can go 3 deep at every position.

I just wish I could be in the gym to watch these guys compete in training camp. It will be super competitive

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EnySpree wrote:Knicks have no room for Jason Thompson. I think the Knicks roster is pretty much set. They have great depth at every position. Knicks can go 3 deep at every position.

I just wish I could be in the gym to watch these guys compete in training camp. It will be super competitive

I think you have to be 8 man tight and proven--we do not have that and I anticipated we would move there.

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